Man of Steel (Pre-release)

[RougeAvenger81]

I think what everyone means by realistic is:

1. Batman got his Batmobile from an actual military prototype. He actually had to have a R&D guy to be able to make any gadgets, i.e. sourcing and funding etc.
2. There was no massive Gotham layout with giant statues larger than the actual buildings around them, i.e. Batman and Robin.
3. No Bane venom...I mean, really, only characters in DBZ are allowed to increase their size two-fold in a few seconds.
4. Ninjas...ninjas are real, making his training real.
5. And not necessarily "darker". I hate when that word gets tossed around and used to shoehorn fans into one ignorant sounding idea. Yes it was a helluva a lot darker than the fruit loops colored Batman and Robin. The villains weren't as outlandish as some of the others. Psychologically, most of Nolan's villains had motives that could be directly linked to something that made sense. They weren't villains for the sake of being villains. You had the mafia, the Chinese, the Ninjas, and the super villains. All jockeying for position at the top of the proverbial food chain.

BTW, My all time favorite villain was the Penguin from Batman Returns. He had a very grim story and his motives stemmed from this. Only villain, besides Catwoman, who had a decent MO...IMO

And just to stay OT...Henry Cavil has the right jawline for Supes

Thanks. You explained my point a lot better then I did by realistic. And yes, the term darker is a bit over used for those who are against this movie and the nolan films. Yes, the older comics of Supes and Batman were a lot different then Nolan's take and the take Snyder is using. However, Cavill admitted that MOS is taking a lot from the new 52 superman. A lot of the new 52 characters in the JL, Batman and Superman for sure have a grittier tone and a more serious outlook in their books. No DARKER, but definitly a more serious tone to their stories and characters.

By bringing those realistic elements into these films like the Commander stated above "real R and D personel, out sourcing equipment etc." it allows us as an audience to go, "Ok, I can see that, although never would happen I could see how in a super hero "real" universe it could happen. Superman is more difficult to do that with, but there are elements MOS seems to be doing with their filming to give it that "ok, it could happen" feel.

Some of the more negetive members here come off as though unless Superman is in bright spandex and smiling every second while fighting the villan they will be disappointed. The truth is if yo make a film in todays society exactly like the comics you lose a large audience because it will come off cartoonish in a way or unrelateable to those who don't otherwise follow the comics.

Again, just my opinion. Love the reboots, love the tone, can't wait for MOS to show us what they have done with the character.

 

[JD]

I think what everyone means by realistic is:

1. Batman got his Batmobile from an actual military prototype. He actually had to have a R&D guy to be able to make any gadgets, i.e. sourcing and funding etc.
2. There was no massive Gotham layout with giant statues larger than the actual buildings around them, i.e. Batman and Robin.
3. No Bane venom...I mean, really, only characters in DBZ are allowed to increase their size two-fold in a few seconds.
4. Ninjas...ninjas are real, making his training real.
5. And not necessarily "darker". I hate when that word gets tossed around and used to shoehorn fans into one ignorant sounding idea. Yes it was a helluva a lot darker than the fruit loops colored Batman and Robin. The villains weren't as outlandish as some of the others. Psychologically, most of Nolan's villains had motives that could be directly linked to something that made sense. They weren't villains for the sake of being villains. You had the mafia, the Chinese, the Ninjas, and the super villains. All jockeying for position at the top of the proverbial food chain.

BTW, My all time favorite villain was the Penguin from Batman Returns. He had a very grim story and his motives stemmed from this. Only villain, besides Catwoman, who had a decent MO...IMO

And just to stay OT...Henry Cavil has the right jawline for Supes

Thanks. You explained my point a lot better then I did by realistic. And yes, the term darker is a bit over used for those who are against this movie and the nolan films. Yes, the older comics of Supes and Batman were a lot different then Nolan's take and the take Snyder is using. However, Cavill admitted that MOS is taking a lot from the new 52 superman. A lot of the new 52 characters in the JL, Batman and Superman for sure have a grittier tone and a more serious outlook in their books. No DARKER, but definitly a more serious tone to their stories and characters.

By bringing those realistic elements into these films like the Commander stated above "real R and D personel, out sourcing equipment etc." it allows us as an audience to go, "Ok, I can see that, although never would happen I could see how in a super hero "real" universe it could happen. Superman is more difficult to do that with, but there are elements MOS seems to be doing with their filming to give it that "ok, it could happen" feel.

Some of the more negetive members here come off as though unless Superman is in bright spandex and smiling every second while fighting the villan they will be disappointed. The truth is if yo make a film in todays society exactly like the comics you lose a large audience because it will come off cartoonish in a way or unrelateable to those who don't otherwise follow the comics.

Again, just my opinion. Love the reboots, love the tone, can't wait for MOS to show us what they have done with the character.

All that said, it's still not anymore realistic than Adam West or Michael Keaton's Batman (Batmen?). Could debate/debunk 'til the second Tuesday of next week, but I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mind... I think Nolan's Bat flicks are just sloppy, second rate work - unfortunately, the masses will disagree with me.

Briefly, ninjas, Batman? No... let me know the last time you ran into a real ninja. So, no.
Military tech that the military couldn't figure out where it came from? A prototype that no one worked on and couldn't figure it out? No.
A multi-million dollar mansion with the batcave below and no one found it during the requisite investigation? No.
Batman shooting at cops? No.
The Nolan team's inability to write a female character (ok, ok, they did Catwoman some justice - but, Rachel Dawes? Miranda Tate). No.
Bruce Wayne goes into hiding due to Rachel's death (well, it was one of the reasons), he comes out of hiding and pretty much hooks up with Tate right off the bat (pun intended)? No.
The huge gaping plotholes - especially in Dark Knight Rises is just laughable. Sending 3,000 cops underground for three months? Bruce "transporting" from Gotham to that prison and back. No.
Bruce's cough back surgery? No.
The bat voice? No.
The physics defying Batwing and Batpod? So realistic. No.

...I could go on but, this thread is meant to be about Man of Steel. Let's just agree to disagree. You liked it, cool... for the most part, I didn't (loved Oldman and Ledger - and even Hatheway).

 

[rodneyfaile]

I really liked Watchmen. I thought he did a great job, especially considering it was a story many said couldn't be made into a movie.

The things turning me off to this movie are minor I suppose. I understand the need to upgrade the suit a little. I don't even mind the red underwear being gone, but I hate that it looks like kickball material, and looks dingy, especially the yellow of the S.

Not crazy about the armor, but I'll try to roll with it.

I understand its not easy being Superman. He lost his entire planet, and the new one he is on depends on him an enormous amount. But part of what makes Superman so great is that he always rises above all of the difficulties. When I hear that John Williams music, I feel inspired to not let things get me down and rise above problems. The trailer makes him seem emo, like its so hard to be superman.

If Superman is pouting, what chance do I have in the world? Lol

I'm gonna see the movie. I hope it has a good enough story to make up for the little things I don't like, but its those little things that make me worry they made bad choices when it comes to the story too.

 

[RougeAvenger81]

JD, I can't disagree with plot holes. Many movies have them. Like I said Batman could never be simply because someone would have had to build the Cave and tell someone, see something, etc. I give you that. Although there were many flaws, Nolan did well with the story telling and making "seem realistic". That's all. But points well made.

No back to MOS. I am interested to know how they explain how Krypton is destroyed by Zod tho. I'm assuming the beam you see in the trailers is going to be some type of weapon of mass destruction. Althought it seems like they are throwing a ton of stuff into this movie already and I don't want it over done, I think I would have like the inclusion of the Phantom Zone prison, unless the prison ship Zod takes over was on its way to deliver them or something.

I have high hopes for this film. Shannon wouldn't have been my first choice, but seeing the magazine pictures and the short clips in the trailers, I think he will have a good/different take on Zod. He isn't a fan and admits he never cared to read the comics, so he explained his vision for his character was to portray him as a true military General who believes in his cause. We will see.

 

[RougeAvenger81]

The things turning me off to this movie are minor I suppose. I understand the need to upgrade the suit a little. I don't even mind the red underwear being gone, but I hate that it looks like kickball material, and looks dingy, especially the yellow of the S.

Not crazy about the armor, but I'll try to roll with it.

The changes to the suit I don't mind, but I agree with the material. I don't like the rubbery fake chainmale look. Kickball analogy is pretty spot on.

 

[Apollo]

Yeah I used to lmao at that but you gave as good as you got! :lol

Yeah - there was much prequel love and special edition love when they hit. I was blasted when I voiced my opinion - and I mean but good.

 

[Jet Beetle]

Yeah I used to lmao at that but you gave as good as you got! :lol

But I was crying on the inside :cry

 

[Jet Beetle]

I understand its not easy being Superman. He lost his entire planet, and the new one he is on depends on him an enormous amount. But part of what makes Superman so great is that he always rises above all of the difficulties. When I hear that John Williams music, I feel inspired to not let things get me down and rise above problems.

Yeah - this one looks like it should have been scored by Five For Fighting instead of John Williams.

They played some audio from someone who was caught in the blast at the Boston Marathon - not as hurt as others but she is still suffering here was her quote - I'm trying to find it online so I can link it.

"It was like someone pulled the rug out from under me. By the time I was able to focus I had been knocked at least 15 feet from where I was standing and I was covered in blood splatter - I thought it was coming from me but then realized there were people around me who had lost their legs and -- (crying) lives. I was scared but these two men came and picked me up and carried me all the way to where the medical team was already working on others. I saw a man who must have been in his seventies shouldering a girl who couldn't walk. That's the great thing about our country -- these terrorist... (more crying) they think they can break us -- but everyone turns into Superman when they really need to.

THAT is what Superman is. That is what he is supposed to represent. This movie lacks anything even close. Such a shame - a great Superman movie is something the country would appreciate right now.

 

[Jannix Quinn]

Superman should be the brightest light when everything else has gone dark. I don't think this movie will show that.

 

[Mektar]

And that is what this movie might actually bring up if given a chance. So far from what ive seen i like the whole setup of him being taken into chains (as if that would hold him, but he respects that they are afraid of him prob).

 

[hansicle]

For anyone interested, WalMart will have the exclusive rights to a pre-screening on the 13th and will be selling tickets at their stores...... Man of Steel to Receive Special June 13 Screenings - ComingSoon.net

 

[JD]

For anyone interested, WalMart will have the exclusive rights to a pre-screening on the 13th and will be selling tickets at their stores...... Man of Steel to Receive Special June 13 Screenings - ComingSoon.net

You'd think they'd link to the source material that probably provides a list of theaters.

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You'd think they'd link to the source material that probably provides a list of theaters.

If anyone is interested: http://www.walmart.com/cp/1104132?povid=cat14503-env172199-moduleB042313-lLink_Z2_MANOFSTEEL

I will see the movie, but doubt I'll be seeing it at this early screening.

 

[ghostryder]

http://io9.com/these-arent-man-of-steels-opening-credits-but-they-s-479882704

 

[JD]

http://io9.com/these-arent-man-of-steels-opening-credits-but-they-s-479882704

That's the way they should've done the origin. No Krypton, no Jor-El, no miracle baby - skip it; we know the story.

 

[RougeAvenger81]

That's the way they should've done the origin. No Krypton, no Jor-El, no miracle baby - skip it; we know the story.

A lot of people say this, but an origin story hasn't been done since the '70s. Yes, I know about Smallville. Big fan. I'm talking big screen tho. I see ups and downs to both sides, but if you intend on starting fresh with a new take on Superman in a new "universe" so to speak, I think the origin story is needed for the foundation.

Not a bad little clip though. Could have been done similarly as well.

 

[JD]

A lot of people say this, but an origin story hasn't been done since the '70s. Yes, I know about Smallville. Big fan. I'm talking big screen tho. I see ups and downs to both sides, but if you intend on starting fresh with a new take on Superman in a new "universe" so to speak, I think the origin story is needed for the foundation.

Not a bad little clip though. Could have been done similarly as well.

An origin story hasn't been done since the 70s? Have you been living in a cave? :facepalm

Movie or no movie, Superman's origin has been done to death.

 

[Jack T Chance]

An origin story hasn't been done since the 70s? Have you been living in a cave? :facepalm

Movie or no movie, Superman's origin has been done to death.

Again, he's talking ONLY about IN THEATRICALLY-RELEASED MOVIES. So you have to ignore Superboy: The TV Series, the Ruby Spears Superman animated series, Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman, Bruce Timm's Superman: The Animated Series, and Smallville. None of those count.

 

[JD]

Again, he's talking ONLY about IN THEATRICALLY-RELEASED MOVIES. So you have to ignore Superboy: The TV Series, the Ruby Spears Superman animated series, Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman, Bruce Timm's Superman: The Animated Series, and Smallville. None of those count.

I recognized that in my second sentence. I don't care if he's talking movies or not... another origin story isn't needed... ever.

In all seriousness, the story's been done to death... in any medium. It's not new, it's not needed. Start with a story early in his career if you must, reflect on the origin - among the still things MoS is doing, is redoing the origin again. It adds to the confusion, it's retreads well worn roads - it's just not new, it's not exciting and it's probably been done better - be it onscreen or in print.

 

[Jack T Chance]

A good writer can ALWAYS find something fresh to bring to the table, though. When this movie was FIRST announced, however far back that was, it was originally said that it would be an adaptation of John Byrne's Man of Steel mini-series from 1986, which was the official Post-Crisis origin for Supes. Now THAT would have been awesome! :thumbsup

 

[JD]

A good writer can ALWAYS find something fresh to bring to the table, though. When this movie was FIRST announced, however far back that was, it was originally said that it would be an adaptation of John Byrne's Man of Steel mini-series from 1986, which was the official Post-Crisis origin for Supes. Now THAT would have been awesome! :thumbsup

As much as I love the Byrne version of Supes - I stick by statement that the origins been done to death... concentrate on a strong story, ignore the origin - it's well known.