M-31 Firefox, scale plane replica

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  1. Firefoxm31

    Firefoxm31 Sr Member

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    something in the works.....got alot of work yet, though it will be right.
     
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  2. Martin-El

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    I so want one of these it hurts -
    Please keep us updated as it even in these early stages - it looks teriffic.
     
  3. Beagle Bill

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    Dude!

    This is uncanny. I was fixing to e-mail you and ask you how your Firefox was coming along! I'm in your yahoo group. It looks awesome! Will it have a cockpit? I've been following your progress for a couple of years on your website. It's looking really great! I've been wanting one of these babies since the movie came out. What do you think the cost will be?

    Bill

    P.S. Now you just need a 1/36 scale Clint Eastwood to go with it...
     
  4. Firefoxm31

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    Hi all,
    It will have all details from film including fully realized cockpit, missle bays, engine details, pitot tubes, speed brakes, wing speed brakes, rearward defense pods, machine guns under center intake. It will also have the option of doing studio style intakes or open ones revealing mock twin Turmansky engine turbines...up to builder of commisioned piece.Also hope to have option for full undercarriage and landing gear, detailed bay doors and all...
     
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  5. JediG60racer

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    Very cool. I'm in the yahoogroup too, but haven't checked in there for awhile. Do you have an interest list started yet for when you're done with these?
     
  6. Firefoxm31

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    Hi again,
    Interest list hmm.....well everybody on the group seems so but we'll see...lots and lots of details to do yet, but she'll be a wonderful replica when finished..
    William
     
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  7. Firefoxm31

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    Well,
    I saw the movie when I was a teenager in 1982, always waited for the plane to be produced as a kit, never was. I started making models and flying rockets of it (modified from a "d"powered Black Brant 3 of all things). Anyway, I used to make all kinds of models of it, waited for it to show up on TV, then made sketches and such of the details and general shape. Later in college I learned to use CAD. before that point I had been hand drawing everything, including my Nautilus pics. My cad drawing was drawn, redrawn and kept changing as I acquired more and more information about the plane. The laser disc came out and I traced it off the TV (sound familiar). about 1996 or so I talked to a gentleman that as a kid had actually talked to the original studio that made the effects miniatures, Apogee. The guys at the shop were so enthralled that someone had contacted them. they sent him a set of studio drawings..this is the short version of this story ..Anyway, I found contact with this guy and he agreed to send me a set of these drawings. There were nine drawings detailing every aspect of the plane, including the detailed turkey feather patterns for the engine nozzles. The drawings provided development patterns for the nozzle itself. Then there were the McDonnell Douglas Phantom F4-E landing gear drawings, and a ducted fan placement and wing rib drawings for the radio control flying model fox's made for the film. The most important drawing of all to me, was a close up of the nose showing the faceted shape of the plane (this is where all models replicas have gone wrong to date) top view, front view, and side view. Then, on separate drawing, there was the side detail elevation of the plane drawn a a smaller scale including all intakes, landing gear and undercarriage. another drawing sheet had the landing gear bay doors with the double panel and detailed inserts. This is stuff that Fox fans drool over if they like details. Four years later in year 2000, I got in contact with someone that knew about a 63" Firefox model that still existed, long story short, was able to get about 40 photos of it. OK now I have all my reference I would ever need.
    I Started back up my cad drawing and proceeded to trace the Fox right off the plans as the shape was exact to what they ended up with for the film. Then I took all my photos and referenced certain points for certain details. This allowed me to transfer all details from the "hero" 63" straight to my drawings, panels, wing brakes, speed brakes, rearward defense pods, tail drone and chute unit, landing gear and under carriage, virtually every detail necessary to model this plane to the likeness of the film "hero." Then with countless hours and a later released DVD version of Firefox, a friend and total Firefox fanatic, Adam and I went back and forth detailing the entire cockpit as per film, calling out common used pieces of equipment, from the F 4 Phantom. I then transferred this information to the CAD drawings for pattern making. This is the plane currently under development should be a real pretty plane replica when finished. I will keep those interested advised of it's progress. I hope to attend my first Wonderfest this year, and will hope to bring a finished plane with me, and perhaps a few other surprises..we'll see.
    Best,
    William
     
  8. Martin-El

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    Absolutely fascinating -
    I could always see there was something odd about both the Studio 2 and Planet X versions...
    What is the scale of your current replica and do you have an anticipated timeframe/cost in mind?

    Please do keep us appraised of your work!
     
  9. Firefoxm31

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    Well,
    It will be 1/32 scale actually, making it 23 5/8" long..nice large scale allowing for super detailing. [​IMG]
     
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  10. Keith

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    Very cool! I would love a model firefox plane.

    I went to a small shop that deals with vintage star wars and action man toys here in the UK about 5 years ago and the shop owner had quite a large model of the firefox for sale for £100. He said it was resin and was used in the film.
    I didn't know much about screen used props at the time though, so i didn't buy it[​IMG]

    Keith.
     
  11. Firefoxm31

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    was the name of the shop Comet Miniatures, and the guys name tony James? no accurate models of the plane to date i will change this little dilema [​IMG] you probably saw the infamouse Studio 2 resin replica 1/48th scale sorta
    William
     
  12. Keith

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    I don't know the guys name or the name of the shop. The small shop was set inside the Coliseum here in Manchester which i think has shut down now.
    The model was a lot bigger than 1/48th scale though, looked more like 1/32nd to me at least.

    Keith.
     
  13. Firefoxm31

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    1/48 would make this model 16" long the only other thing he could have had thanks to monsters in motion (not the first time they've taken someone elses piece and sent it over there to recast) is my studio casting 21" model the one i'm doing will be even bigger at 1/32 scale making it 23 5/8" long
    with the "hero" as a match. will no disputing if someone recasts this one
    Best,
    William
     
  14. Firefoxm31

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    here's a new pic of the progress
     
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  15. PHArchivist

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    Sweet model.
     
  16. autoprops713

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    Hey Will. What year is it again??? :lol3

    Looks great man.


    Dave
     
  17. Wolvster1

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    Ok, I'll ask, WHEN'S this PUPPY
    going to be up for grab's ??? :D
     
  18. Firefoxm31

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    Ha...Ha Dave, not sure of the year , help me out..... lol
    Wolvster1,
    hope to have this ready to mold by end of May. I hope to take the patterns or better yet,a casting, to Wonderfest
    Best,
    William
     
  19. Wolvster1

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    Wonderfest you say ??? :thumbsup

    That would be pretty COOL, this
    is going to be the first time I have EVER been
    to one this year. REALLY looking forward to it .
    Now, with seeing one of those it's REALLY better ...
    B)
     
  20. Firefoxm31

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    PICS update! still lots of details and she does break down into sub-assemblies..getting there!
    William
     
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  21. JediG60racer

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    Amazing workmanship on this project.. I'm blown away.
     
  22. Firefoxm31

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    Update,
    Here's a break down of how the kit will be done:

    1/32 scale "film accurate" Firefox model to be made available for private commissioned kits, or buildups. I hope to get it done by end of May,as I want to debut it at Wonderfest, it's gonna be a close one. It will feature a hollow resin fuselage, solid resin wings, verts, ventral stabilators and canards, with full cockpit, photo-etched wing and airbrakes, and landing gear and accessories.

    At 1/32 scale based on the "Hero"dimensions, It will be 23 5/8" long. There are two options I'm looking at right now and probably will be avialable with the commissioned kit. First, a mockup of the Turmansky engine turbines, if not a whole engine, then at least the turbine blade units for dramatic effect to go inside the intake nacells, or the intakes can be left closed like the filming hero. The detail that goes on each side of the air-splitters will be in brass.
    Second, retracted canards as seen in the film, these will be an option to either add to the model or not. It's up to builder. I want to have certain accessories in brass and resin like the step ladder, the air and wing brakes, as well as cockpit details. As of now I'm not sure what the price for a commissioned kit will be ,but will let you know. Adam Leet has been assisting me a lot in researching out the details for the cockpit, undercarriage and missles/bays.

    At this scale I will be able to use the 1/32 scaleTamiya F4E landing gear for accurate gear and will laser cut the gear doors and such. For the cockpit I want to either laser cut or photoetch the instruments, not sure which on that yet, I am open to sugestions. Looks like the engine turkey feathers will have all the detailed patterns of the "hero" molded in at this point, had thought of doing photoetched turkey feathers for the nozzels, but not too sure on how to accomplish this so that a novice model builder/assembler could get the right look after bending each feather correctly and attaching it to the next to form the nozzel. This should give all a better idea of my intentions..
    Best regards,
    William
     
  23. SgtFang

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    Hehehe... YOU'RE WELCOME. :p

    Wow, your going to unveil it a Wondefest huh? *, now I've GOT to get down there... What kinda beer do you like? :D

    Heh, 1983 was a very good year. Big SPFX studios back then, just weren't used to fanboys calling them up out of the blue to mooch things like this. :lol
    My mom was so sure that they'd just blow me off to get rid of me, that we made a bet to see who had to pay for that long distance call if the blueprints actually showed up... guess who won? B)

    -Sarge
     
  24. Dobber

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    This thing is a thing of beauty.... I love the MiG-31. Obviously I'm new to RPF....been lurking for a while though. Is there a group for this model and will it be available to others? Very interested, Sorry if these are Noob questions.

    Chris
     
  25. Firefoxm31

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    was playing a bit today...... tried running the cockpit instrument panel with a piece of cardboard to see how it will do at this scale...judging by the details this will work great. I laser cut this using different power settings to see what it would do to the carboard layering wise...pretty effective. While not being the final piece it gives me an idea of how it will work out ..the drawing is good to go
     
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  26. Firefoxm31

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    then there's the turkey feathers that make up the engine nozzels. I laser cut these in gold foil. Looks like it's gonna work fine...well back to work!

    William
     
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  27. Firefoxm31

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    Howdy,
    seeing how they look on a cone(nozzel) thse aren't the final version but neat to look at all the same!
    Thanks for looking
    William
     
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  28. BB43MAN

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    :eek WHERE CAN I GET ONE OF THOSE??????????...........

    Holy @#$%..... I remember one time when I was coming home on leave from Germany in 1985 (I could be wrong on that date) and I stopped at Heathrow in England and had some layover time and I found a copy of FireFox and the terminal booknook.

    I couldn't put it down the whole flight to JFK.

    I would love to have a replica of that plane in my display case.

    Cheers.
     
  29. Firefoxm31

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    Howdy,
    gotta be pateint, building the masters right now to offer a privately commissioned kit or build up. It will be worth the wait..:) To get an idea of what I have left to do ,take a look at this 1 of a kind(my personal collection) photo of the 63" filming model underside. It's one of the busiest panel patterns I've ever seen...please don't copy this pic for placement elsewhere on the net without my permission, thank you.

    William
     
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  30. Dobber

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    Busy doesn't even begin to describe that.. Patiently but anctiously awaitng your word.

    Chris
     
  31. SgtFang

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    You... magnificent... bastard... :eek

    -Sarge
     
  32. Firefoxm31

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    updated pics of patterns





    There ya go for now..she's coming along......
     
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  33. BB43MAN

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    :D OOOOOOOOHHHHOOO...., OHHHHH. AHHHH...........oh no......sorry........got to go change my shorts.

    :$2

    LOVE THAT THING......

    Can't wait for word on the ordering.
     
  34. Firefoxm31

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    different angles to show nose and profile...enjoy!
     
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  35. Wolvster1

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    VERY,VEERY SWEEET..

    Or, in the word of Mr. Burns,


    EXCCCCCCCCCEEEELLLLLEEEENNNTTTTT... :D


    SO, when do we get to SIGN UP for one of these
    babies ?????????? B)
     
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  36. Smiling Demon

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    WOW :eek
    The talent on this board is truly amazing...
    Very very nice.............

    Kenny
     
  37. nae1000

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    wow, firefox was on bbc one last night- i'm guessing most of you folks are from across the pond so wouldn't have seen it, its certainly been ages since i saw it. what a plane.

    'lets see what this baby can do.'
     
  38. Firefoxm31

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    sharpened the nose contours a bit to make the edges "pop" .
    Whachall think.

    [image]http://www.wackychimp.com/uploads/buck12s.jpg[/image]

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  39. Firefoxm31

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    Here's a few more.........:)

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  40. Martin-El

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    Its simply a thing of beauty and obviously in the right hands. You may as well take all my money now...:)
     
  41. Wolvster1

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    OK SMARTY PANTS, are you going
    to tell us WHEN we can get this kit or
    are you going to just TEASE US ..... :p :p :p

    Don't MAKE us come to your house .


    :lol :lol :lol
     
  42. Viceland

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    I'm just glad his talents are spent on something like this, instead of... oh let's see, landscaping? :p
     
  43. Firefoxm31

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    My sculpts for the Firefox arrived today, very, very, nice in my opinion. My friend and miniature figure sculpter, Masao, did these for me. He even did a separate visor sculpt for the seated Gant...this should be fun to mold :)
     
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  44. Firefoxm31

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    different angle here
     
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  45. Dobber

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    Those are sooooo cool...

    Chris
     
  46. Firefoxm31

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    here's another one with Gant standing
     
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  47. Firefoxm31

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    and here's more of a side view......got the helmet shape very good
     
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  48. Martin-El

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    Ha. I wasn't expecting to see a mini-Mitchell too.
    You really are spoiling us :)
    Will, I have to support the idea of a signup list, even at this early stage, you WILL have some guarenteed takers...
     
  49. Firefoxm31

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    Howdy,
    a little update yet again! These are the master patterns for the exhaust nozzel surrounds that the cast nozzels will drop into. These will glue right to the back of the master pattern and be molded in on the final tooling..
    Enjoy da pics!
    William
     
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  50. carves

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    Arrr..... ugghhh...hmmm...

    Why the heck does this project took so long ?
    Finish it already .......... :angry :angry :D
     

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