Lucasfilm to Strike Back March 7th - Lucasfilm vs Andrew Ainsworth

[Brian Muir]

I understand, but I'm also very familiar with the Falcon and all it's incarnations and I've never seen any model that was sculpted.
Maybe pieces of the set like the rounded beige wall panels or the circular couch? I'd believe the couch was sculpted and cast. The cushion indentations remind me a bit of the styling of C-3PO.

I'd be happy to help with pics, but I don't know what to look for.
Maybe the plasterer could be more specific about what he and Liz worked on for the Falcon.

When making a large construction you have to have a model to work with to form templates as you can't just construct it blindly.

There is no other way of clarifying the fact that he said that Liz sculpted the model of the Millenium Falcon in clay and he moulded and cast it.

The circular couch you talk about was originally sculpted in clay by Arthur Healey who also sculpted the chest plate on CZ3. He had sculpted one side of the couch square and the other side radiated. I was then asked to correct his work by radiating the squared edge when he left the film after 2 weeks. Arthur was my old mentor but that is another story....................

 

[lonepigeon]

When making a large construction you have to have a model to work with to form templates as you can't just construct it blindly.

There is no other way of clarifying the fact that he said that Liz sculpted the model of the Millenium Falcon in clay and he moulded and cast it.

Are you saying she sculpted templates for the full size to form plywood around?

The original ship models were built by ILM and they sent copies of the models to England for the set builders to recreate them full size. The Falcon was sculpted late as it was a last minute redesign. The miniature was not sent to England because of this and instead ILM sent drawings and photographs of the model. Perhaps Liz recreated a model because they didn't have one for this ship, but I've never seen photos or read any reference to such a model (although as we know from the Stormtrooper situation the production in England wasn't documented too well).

A simple mention of size would be helpful to clarify what he meant by the Millennium Falcon.

Thank you very much for the info on the couch that's extremely interesting!

 

[Brian Muir]

Are you saying she sculpted templates for the full size to form plywood around?

The original ship models were built by ILM and they sent copies of the models to England for the set builders to recreate them full size. The Falcon was sculpted late as it was a last minute redesign. The miniature was not sent to England because of this and instead ILM sent drawings and photographs of the model. Perhaps Liz recreated a model because they didn't have one for this ship, but I've never seen photos or read any reference to such a model (although as we know from the Stormtrooper situation the production in England wasn't documented too well).

A simple mention of size would be helpful to clarify what he meant by the Millennium Falcon.

Thank you very much for the info on the couch that's extremely interesting!

Yes Lucasfilm's focus has always been on ILM and they know very little of what happened on the production at Elstree.
Lucasfilm did not know of my existence nor in fact Arthur Healey's - at least Liz Moore was mentioned by John Mollo and even Anthony Daniels ( in a very complimentary way).
It was Lucasfilm's footage of me sculpting the Death Star Droid used for Making of the Myth but my work was not acknowleged in any way by Lucasfilm. There are so many crew in their 'Making of' books that are un-named that I could have named so they would be credited in some way - albeit sadly so many have passed on. They did not even know of the existance of the footage - I've given them a copy for their archives.
Because Lucasfilm do not have or are not looking for certain photographs of work on the production it does not mean that work was not done.
All I can do is give you the information and then maybe it starts a new search.

 

[ep1972]

I am behind you Brian! Anyone well versed in the process of film making, and production knows your comments are spot on. Cudos to you for maintaining the true story of our beloved characters.

 

[Pappy]

This is all the Millenium Falcon model production pictures i had,its possible that there are better ones

and of course

and why not

 

[lonepigeon]

Those are the two main ILM built models. The larger one being the original SW/ANH and the smaller being ESB. They can't be the sculpted model that the plasterer referred to.

 

[GINO]

He said that Liz Moore sculpted the model for the Millenium Falcon in clay and he moulded and cast it plaster. Liz then sharpened it in the plaster.

That does not seem correct at all.
As Chris said, the only thing relating to the MF that was made in the UK was the full size 1:1. Everything else at ILM.


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[Supa troop]

without p***ing on anyones parade here ive just had a quick flick through a making of book i have here and it doesnt mention anything about the MF being sculpted in anyway, ILM made various sizes from 2" to life size, the design was changed as it was felt the first design looked to much like the ships from space 1999, the life size model was made in Wales and shipped down to the studios in London

 

[lonepigeon]

That does not seem correct at all.
As Chris said, the only thing relating to the MF that was made in the UK was the full size 1:1. Everything else at ILM.


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There was a miniature mockup of the Death Star hangar set, but the half Falcon for that is made of wood and paper (p. 127 Making of Star Wars). The miniature interior models also appear to be wood and paper.
The full size exterior is all wood and aircraft scrap (plenty of pics of that).

I'm curious what the purpose of the sculpted Falcon could be. I'll keep digging.

 

[Supa troop]

am i correct in saying they also used Matt paintings too :confused

 

[AnsonJames]

Did you see AA's informative and completely factual Youtube videos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09CmSZVBIj0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk_048JvrXc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEVMrCKyoLM



Drop by Youtube, post a rating and an encouraging comment for him like this one;

This tool didn't design or sculpt ANYTHING. He takes credit for other artists works - even the judge in the court case said he was prone to exaggerating about his involvement.
Liz Moore sculpted the Stormtrooper helmet - Brian Muir sculpted the armour.

He's just a compulsive Liar who was lucky enough to exploit a loophole in UK copyright law - this is the only reason he can still sell his wares.

Buy anything from this guy and what you get is a sub-standard product.

Cheers.

 

[Obi Sean Kenobi]

Are you new? Every single time someone posts something from Rubies, it is slammed. I mean every...damned...time. There is no love here for that company.

Lol. Yeah, I am completely aware that the quality and accuracy of Rubies products are consistently and unabashedly slammed here.

However, that wasnt the point I was (trying?) to make.

The point that I was making is that that no one on this forum is particularly up in arms from the claim present on Rubies Darth Vader Helmet packaging "Cast from Original Movie Molds". At best this claim is salesmanship, at worst deceptive trade practices and consumer fraud. Yet no one on this board, or any other that I am aware of, is or has suggested creating a website to address these false claims or chased Rubies around the 'net posting about the validity of their claims.

Just curious as to why?

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Lol. Yeah, I am completely aware that the quality and accuracy of Rubies products are consistently and unabashedly slammed here.

However, that wasnt the point I was (trying?) to make.

The point that I was making is that that no one on this forum is particularly up in arms from the claim present on Rubies Darth Vader Helmet packaging "Cast from Original Movie Molds". At best this claim is salesmanship, at worst deceptive trade practices and consumer fraud. Yet no one on this board, or any other that I am aware of, is or has suggested creating a website to address these false claims or chased Rubies around the 'net posting about the validity of their claims.

Just curious as to why?

I can only speak for myself, but Rubies is not trying to steal credit from true artisans like Liz Moore and Brian Muir in regards to the work they have done.

 

[KaanE]

One thing is saying you're selling a thing based on the screen used one. One diferent thing is saying you're selling something sculpted by you and used during production/filming.

 

[Brian Muir]

Are you saying she sculpted templates for the full size to form plywood around? QUOTE]

No

 

[Brian Muir]

without p***ing on anyones parade here ive just had a quick flick through a making of book i have here and it doesnt mention anything about the MF being sculpted in anyway, ILM made various sizes from 2" to life size, the design was changed as it was felt the first design looked to much like the ships from space 1999, the life size model was made in Wales and shipped down to the studios in London

If you're using the 'Making of' as an all encompassing reference does it say who sculpted Vader, Stormtrooper helmet and armour, Death Star droid, CZ3 or indeed the circular couch? Or does it have any photos?
Nope - because it's not in there doesn't mean it didn't exist. I wondered if anyone had a photo of a model.
Just to qualify - I said 'the' model maybe for the perdantic out there I maybe should have said 'a' model - just sharing information but the reaction is very predictable
The negativity is palpable - instead of looking into any new information it is taken automatically as wrong because of what has been said in the past - well so much of that information was wrong or lacking.
I'm giving this a rest for a while - it's been a looooooooooong week with Gino and Ainsworth let alone work(although I'll check from time to time what's going on )
I'll be at Memorabilia, NEC Birmingham on Saturday and Sunday and will happily chat to anyone about anything Star Wars or any of the films I've worked on. It's always good to meet people face to face.

 

[Supa troop]

errrr im not being pedantic at all by using a book as reference,

you asked for a Model Picture of the Flacon and thats what ive done, all ive done is given my observation as to what is in the book, if id have known you would been so upset about it i wouldnt have bothered, my apologies again

 

[Brian Muir]

errrr im not being pedantic at all by using a book as reference,

you asked for a Model Picture of the Flacon and thats what ive done, all ive done is given my observation as to what is in the book, if id have known you would been so upset about it i wouldnt have bothered, my apologies again

Actually I wasn't talking about you being perdantic it was someone else who had misunderstood what I meant by saying the model rather than a model.

Hopefully I'll see you Sunday and we can actually have a chat rather than misunderstandings with the written word.

Thank you for posting the photos - always good to see anything Star Wars.

 

[Supa troop]

Actually I wasn't talking about you being perdantic it was someone else who had misunderstood what I meant by saying the model rather than a model.

Hopefully I'll see you Sunday and we can actually have a chat rather than misunderstandings with the written word.

Thank you for posting the photos - always good to see anything Star Wars.

:thumbsup thanks

 

[DAVIDYR1]

Actually I wasn't talking about you being perdantic it was someone else who had misunderstood what I meant by saying the model rather than a model.

Hopefully I'll see you Sunday and we can actually have a chat rather than misunderstandings with the written word.

Thank you for posting the photos - always good to see anything Star Wars.

I don't see the confusion here at all. Brian is saying Liz sculpted a Falcon model prior to the final models we've seen shown thus far. That certainly makes sense doesn't it? Along with sketches, something somewhere could have been sculpted as a mock up of sorts to start basing final details off of...it's usually how these things are done, no?

Case in point...and not to get side tracked or anything but Christopher Nolan sculpted a concept of the Tumbler from Batman Begins with his own two hands so that the final designers could take his 'vision' and make it real.
What Brian is referring to here seems like the same thing....regardless of how detailed or final this model would have been. Also doesn't seem like something that has been seen publicly yet.

Pretty cool news none the less. :thumbsup

David