Lucasfilm to Strike Back March 7th - Lucasfilm vs Andrew Ainsworth

instead of being met with open arms from the community he was met with questions about how his story and claims didn't fit the product...

I think many of us WERE more than willing to welcome Andrew with open arms... right up until we saw that first "prototype" of his replica helmet and it all went down hill from there. For me at least, that was when the questions really started, and have never stopped. :angry
 
I think many of us WERE more than willing to welcome Andrew with open arms... right up until we saw that first "prototype" of his replica helmet and it all went down hill from there. For me at least, that was when the questions really started, and have never stopped. :angry

Well yeah the prospect of having someone involved in production forming new helmets from authentic mold origins was certainly welcomed at first... But as I said, once the stories/claims and product being offered didn't match up, the open arms were short lived and the suspicion of a game of smoke and mirrors was being played was born...

Cant speak for anyone else but personally i'm reluctant to call anyone out and pass judgement without good reason and up until the first court hearing there really wasn't anything to damn him for really.
Plenty clear to me and many he was selling a big fat lie well before the court date... His claim to sculpting the helmet didn't materialize until he decided to counter sue LFL after they sued him... Before that his claims were only to having the original tooling and thus rights to continue to use that tooling, he never claimed to be the sculptor until it was convenient for his lie... The whole still owing the original tooling was his whole argument until the court case was actually in motion, then his story changed and all the sudden he "... went on to make over 200 characters for the film" because that better fit his new lie...

Prior to that case there was nobody coming forward claiming credit for sculpting the helmet or armour and certainly no credit given to anyone from LFL or evidence showing who did sculpt them.
I don't know how many of the threads are still on the forum, but I know for a fact many (including myself) were claiming someone in the LFL Art department being responsible for the sculpts not AA, we might not have had a name but there certainly was calls to his claims immediately... It was clear to many AA was a hack from just looking at his 'prototype', heck it's still clear to me he is a hack, did you watch his made angle grinder antics and the pile of poop he made? Is anyone foolish enough to believe he created the trooper helmet and armor 30+ years ago and today he can only sculpt poop? Go to his site and look at his Hengstler counter on his new blaster, it looks like a preschooler knocked it together with some scrap popsicle sticks they found on the curb...

The one and only issue i have with him is the stealing of credit from Liz and Brian and nobody knew about that prior to the court case.
Well my contempt goes back further when he clearly recast GF's ab piece (as well as the entire TE suit short of the arm bells) and claimed it as his own from the original molds, it was clear at that point he didn't know Jack, didn't have any molds and was simply out to steal credit from anyone to make a buck... He was quick to do multiple revisions to GF's ab plate to try and hide his clear theft of an inaccurate part that stood out like a sore thumb as GF's work... But only after it was pointed out, watch history repeat itself again as he discovers the embedded boogers in the tear area an his 'original' molds giving them yet another make over like the fetted tumblehome excuse.... You could clearly see AA's grinding marks on the back of his early ab pulls where he attempted to disguise it's origins by taking a grinding wheel to the bucks, total hack job... It was clear to many way back than he was intent on stealing credit from others, well before the court case, that is for anyone that was following along... The court case only enforced, drove home and thankfully put a name to the artist that did the work, emphasizing the fact he was willing to steal credit and legacy form anyone and everyone and lay claim to everything... So for many the court case was hardly the first revelation of this pattern of theft and deception it was only further support and reinforcement of what we already knew or suspected...
 
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direct Quote from AA (his spelling is as bad as mine )

Brian is going to go Ape when he reads this

Posts that only `Cherry Pick` statements from court proceedings do not representa true and full picture.
Eg: When Lucas wanted to argue the case for `Sculpture` in the Appeal court, h...
e could not praise the artistic talents of Nick & myself enough. He even likended them to Michaelangelo...that is how bizzar and extreme his spurious claims and arguments went.

This is after slating our talents in the High court hearing previiously.

It is not surprising that Lucas managed to confuse the High Court judge.

I never seem to se this side of the story on posts from adversaries. )

he's got a nerve theres more

Those that seem to place so much importance on the Judges opinion of me, which is actually just a side issue in the case, do not seem to place the same importance on the courts decision regarding Liz Moore.

ie: the court catagorically and totally dismissed Lucas`s claim that Liz Moore had any involvement in the clay helmet. Lucas admitted it and withdrew the claim.

Which begs the question - Why did Brian Muir lie about it.?
 
I have kinda been following this here and there, but has there been a ruling? I've seen that there was one, Lucas withdrew, etc, but now it keeps going on? Can someone just summarize what's been going on here, for us lowly mortals?
 
if you feel comfortable judging someone based on what you suspect rather than knowledge that's fine i'm just saying i don't personally think like that.

I made my judgment in regards to AA based on clear facts and other surrounding issues irrespective of who I suspected did the actual sculpting... By the time it was revealed to be Liz my mind was already well made up due to multiple other circumstances...
 
I think French comix artist Phillippe Druillet should sue Lucas. Stormtrooper helmets are very like stuff he was drawing in the late '60s early '70s, particularly the eye shapes and the horizontal/triangular forms across the face in place of the nose. He drew many such helmets for SF riot cops, troopers etc. The image here is actually of a robot but it was all I could find on the net, unfortunately...
 
Yeah but artists get inspiration from other art all the time.Its hard not to be inspired by something you've seen before and liked. You might even be unconsciously inspired without even realizing it. Doesn't make it wrong.And how many people were inspired by star wars?
 
Well, only allowing one outlet, one side of the story, and it's nothing but propaganda, and that's mostly used by people who are afraid of truth and discussion. Anyone can set up a page to praise themselves...

If he really wanted to sway anyone's mind about whether Pemberton actually sculpted the helmet that ended up on the screen would be to present pictures (that aren't doctored) of Pemberton with his hands all over the clay sculpture, sculpting away. But since he doesn't... and not even presenting anything regarding Pembertons previous work to show his skills... you really can't take the effort seriously. Only reason to withhold is because the truth doesn't correspond with the claims.

We know Liz Moore had the talent and the skills... so the favor is still in her corner.
 
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Slightly off Topic here sorry .................

I went and met Brian and Lindsay today and they were both extremely Nice people, they spent much of their valuable time having a chat with me.

It was an absolute pleasure to meet you both and thank you for having a part in making my son a very happy boy.

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Yeah but artists get inspiration from other art all the time.Its hard not to be inspired by something you've seen before and liked. You might even be unconsciously inspired without even realizing it. Doesn't make it wrong.And how many people were inspired by star wars?

Sure. But my point was a dig at Lucasfilm for its generally over-proprietorial attitude to 'its' creations. For instance, Lucas regards the Star Destroyer image as his intellectual property, but the entire hull shape is copied from a Chris Foss painting. If your creations are that dependent on other sources then you should chill out a bit when other folk rip 'your' stuff.

Take the ATAT, a Lucasfilm TM, an image for which LF grants licenses etc. but which was entirely ripped off a Syd Mead image, the leg mechanisms being copied VERBATIM. Lucas was successfully pursued by Mead for that one. It's just hypocritical of Lucas to litigate so ferociously over so many of these images when he's vulnerable to litigation himself from the artists he's ripped them from.
 
If I am not mistaken I believe I read somewhere that Lucas met with James Gurney to settle out of public the dispute about The end parade on Naboo in The Phantom Menace resembling too much of Gurney's illustrations of a similar parade in Dinotopia.

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More similarities mentioned in the link below such as Waterfall City seeming like Theed , and a submarine journey in "The World Beneath" being similar to the the Jedi's trip through the core of the planet of Naboo, including the sub being bitten by a large dinosaur. The "sidekick" character is a creature named Bix, which sounds very similar to Binks, as in Jar Jar Binks, the sidekick in "Menace".
http://www.echostation.com/interview/gurney.htm

Gurney doesn't think using other people's influences is a bad thing, but "if someone is conscious of an influence, it would be right to contact the artist of the original work and invite them to discuss it". Gurney doesn't want children who recognize the similarity to get the wrong impression that it is acceptable to copy someone else's work.

Sure. But my point was a dig at Lucasfilm for its generally over-proprietorial attitude to 'its' creations. For instance, Lucas regards the Star Destroyer image as his intellectual property, but the entire hull shape is copied from a Chris Foss painting. If your creations are that dependent on other sources then you should chill out a bit when other folk rip 'your' stuff.

Take the ATAT, a Lucasfilm TM, an image for which LF grants licenses etc. but which was entirely ripped off a Syd Mead image, the leg mechanisms being copied VERBATIM. Lucas was successfully pursued by Mead for that one. It's just hypocritical of Lucas to litigate so ferociously over so many of these images when he's vulnerable to litigation himself from the artists he's ripped them from.
 
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And sometimes people just can't see that similarities may in fact be coincidental... especially nondescript events such as a parade with strange animals and "people" on top going down the main street with people cheering, without automatically considering it stolen from elsewhere? Hell... we've seen that in loads of movies about ancient Rome and a myriad of other movies / stories...

You can't do anything now without it being similar to something else. Now it's just a matter of how similar before people start screaming. Hell... just one camera angle being similar and people start screaming bloody murder.
 
and sometimes people don't read the article and interview to find out it wasn't coincidental.

and its certainly NOT nondescript events... it is specific details like a submarine journey in "The World Beneath" being similar to the the Jedi's trip through the core of the planet of Naboo, including the sub being bitten by a large dinosaur.

In 1994, George Lucas was approached by the producers with the Dinotopia film property in its developmental phase. This meeting exposed Lucas to all of the conceptual elements of the "Dinotopia" film. Lucas began writing the screenplay "on the morning of November 1, 1994". This would have been approximately eight months after the "Dinotopia" meeting. a senior visual effects director at ILM left with the approval of George Lucas to work as the director of the "Dinotopia" film. One storyboard artist working on the "Dinotopia" project at Columbia subsequently joined Lucasfilm to work on character design, costume design, and storyboard art for "The Phantom Menace" project.

Seems All too close for comfort if you get my meaning... it isn't just dinosaurs marching in a city street... the design, look and even atmosphere and color choices were strikingly similar to dinotopia artwork.
Being influenced by other works and art is normal and expected.. we live in a time where nothing is original ideas cannot be copyrighted, but the expression of ideas should have some originality. Phantom Menace was created with full knowledge that a Dinotopia film was in the planning stages and the art for it had been done long ago and viewed by ILM. Clearly they knew what they were doing and where the look and ideas came from. It goes on to say that George Lucas had telephoned him the day after "The Phantom Menace" was officially released, despite the fact that they had no previous relationship, and although he could not discuss the conversation, he did say it was concerning the noticed similarities between the projects. REALLY? Ya think? so why call him after the fact... why not consult with him before or during production? Just sayin! :rolleyes
 
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Original Stormtrooper - US citizens have the right to import goods for their own use that are leagal from whence they came.



Crieky is this True
 
Not if there is a copyright ruling against the item.

And even if there wasn't... what total and utter nonsense. It's the law of the receiving land that determines whether something is legal to import, not the laws of the land you are importing from. Seriously... who feeds him these nuggets of stupidity?
 
Not if there is a copyright ruling against the item.

And even if there wasn't... what total and utter nonsense. It's the law of the receiving land that determines whether something is legal to import, not the laws of the land you are importing from. Seriously... who feeds him these nuggets of stupidity?


id love to quote that :thumbsup
 
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