Lost season 6 with spoilers beware

[letmebestormy]

or perhaps they were really well made clothes. It looked like she had a pretty snazzy loom in the cave.

 

[clonesix]

Two useless points: 1)tooth fillings are not magnetic. 2) bronze knives are NOT magnetic.

Yet, the magnatism is strong enough to pull a filling through a man's skull, and holds the bronze knife against the well.

 

[Risu]

What did I miss? When did a filling go through a man's skull?

 

[cboath]

From my blog posting about Across The Sea... I think this is my main problem with the episode:



What am I missing?

Well, if the 23AD bit is right, Jacob's had 2000 years to figure everything out since the end of last night's episode. Seems safe to assume he could do it in a much shorter timeframe, too.


As for explaining the light. They still could. The Obi wan analogy with the force is a prime example. If that was a satisying explanation, great. It took a whopping 15 seconds of screen time. It could be explained when 'the candidate' assumes the protector role.

 

[clonesix]

What did I miss? When did a filling go through a man's skull?

Last season when they were drilling at the future Swan Station

 

[Larry Young]

What did I miss? When did a filling go through a man's skull?

The first ep of Season Five when the big reveal is that Faraday is in the past. They're talking about it as they're drilling for the Swan Station and they carry the dead worker past him on a stretcher.

Ooops; sorry, clonesix.

 

[Darth Detori]

Here's what I took from it:

"Adam" as I'm now calling him, died in the physical form when he entered the light, however his soul became the smoke monster. The light is "life, death, rebirth. It is the heart of the island". As Mother said "a little bit of this very same light is inside every man, but they always want more" "If they try [to take it] they could put it out. And if the light goes out here... it goes out everywhere". Adam entering it caused him to be consumed by it. He became alive, dead, and reborn as the smoke. He was dead but now was again alive. He is dead and as such can disappear and appear like the ghosts on the island. But like the ghosts he's trapped there. He took the form of himself, as someone dead, because that's his original form. It's still Adam, but not his body. When he took locke's form he's still adam but just in locke's form.

Now if you watch closely after Adam leaves the cave as smoke, you can still see light coming out of the cave. He didn't absorb all of the light- it still exists underneath the island. But he does, I think, have a lot in him now. Remember, when John had his first encounter with it, he later said that he has looked into the eye of the island, and what he saw was beautiful. This would have to be the light. Probably the same light we see flashing within the monster.

What I want to know is, since the island must be protected, and if the light is life, then how can there be life after the island was sunk in dimension x? If Adam is killed somehow, then does the light become released and whole again? Obviously there were ghosts before the smoke, so that wouldn't really release them. And in effect, isn't Adam really more of the protector of the island since he kills off anyone encroaching upon the island seeking power? Is Jacob really the bad guy since he keeps bringing people to the island?

I don't know anymore, but I'm really hoping we get some firm answers next week.

 

[Kevin/Collector]

Two useless points: 1)tooth fillings are not magnetic. 2) bronze knives are NOT magnetic.

Yet, the magnatism is strong enough to pull a filling through a man's skull, and holds the bronze knife against the well.

The tooth-filling bit bothered me a bit too - but the Dharma folks were always making the point that this was a very special magnetism. I just decided to go with the flow and assume that we were observing an as-yet-undiscovered scientific phenomenon.

 

[Larry Young]

The tooth-filling bit bothered me a bit too - but the Dharma folks were always making the point that this was a very special magnetism. I just decided to go with the flow and assume that we were observing an as-yet-undiscovered scientific phenomenon.

I can't speak to the fillings, but I do know the Roman shortsword "gladius" was often made of steel.

 

[DavidS]

I can't speak to the fillings, but I do know the Roman shortsword "gladius" was often made of steel.

the dagger they keep using is actually a Pugio and yes, were made of iron or steel depending on age.

 

[BIKERFETT]

does anyone know what the mother was chanting when before she had Jacob drink from the cup.

biker

 

[DARTH SABER]

How exactly did the mother "make" Jacob and his brother unable to kill each other?

Was this ever explained? Did she have magic powers?

 

[cboath]

She was jacob before jacob was jacob

If Jacob can make richard immortal for a 200 years, 'mom' can make the kids unable to kill each other.

 

[ghostryder]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45054

SEPINWALL: You've said many times that when people find out who Adam and Eve are, we'll all realize just how long you've been planning the mythology. Well, I went back and watched the "House of the Rising Sun" scene, and Jack says that the clothing looks like it's 50 years old. Is he just not very good at calculating the rate of decay on fabric?

CUSE: Jack is not really an expert in carbon dating.

LINDELOF: He's not really a forensic anthropologist. We need to bring in Bones.

CUSE: Or Charlotte. She's an anthropolgist.

LINDELOF: The other theory that I would like to throw out there is that Jacob and his mother were just expert craftsmen. They made those clothes on that loom so well, it would appear that they were only 50 years old in decomposition, when in fact it's several thousand.

CUSE: Or perhaps the fabric is magic. A lot of theories there, Alan.

 

[Jedi2016]

With the speaking of Latin and the assumed date of 23 AD the island would likely be in the Mediterranean Sea (or not very far into the Atlantic) at the time of the mother's shipwreck.

Not the first time it's been somewhere other than expected. The Black Rock was on its way from the Canary Islands to the New World. That means it was crossing the Atlantic when it came across the Island.

Bizzarro thought, here, but some theological calculations put the birth of ****** around 10 BC and his death anywhere between 22 and 25 AD. Do you think the writers are leaving open a possible Mary Magdelene connection - she possibly fleeing a Roman occupied Jerusalem after the execution (say, on a cross) of the father of her unborn?

Oh, I dunno about that.. hehe.

Definitely Roman, though. The knife he carries (and was later used to try to stab everyone) is a Roman design.

Soooo... thoughts on that the smoke monster is? The way it was shot was kind of like this was the first time the smoke monster had been out. Was it created by MIB entering or just released?

Maybe MIB's soul combined with the light and he "polluted" it?
Maybe MIB was just the first visage that Smokey took on?

Unanswered questions abound.. lol. On the one hand, Smokey clearly has a lot of MiB in him.. his desire to leave the Island, and his inability to directly attack Jacob. That makes me think that Smokey is some kind of blending of the Light (or at least that pocket of it) and MiB's soul, through a process that left his body behind, lifeless.

i'm surprised nobody brought up (what confused me the most), is that MIB seems to be dead (viewed by Kate, Jack, Locke) early in the story...yet we know him to be alive later, presumably making F'Locke?

There's a likely time travel loop mixed in there....or perhaps the MIB corpse really isn't MIB?

HOLYCRAP

Well, it could be what I said above, that his body was simply left behind as part of his transformation into Smokey. But what if his body was teleported back in time, to the moment of his "first death", after the Losties kill him in the finale?!?

and ****, Jack was a little off when he dated the death of adam and eve at 50 years.

The only thing I can think of is that their slow decay was a result of the immortality they had in life.

Well, if the 23AD bit is right, Jacob's had 2000 years to figure everything out since the end of last night's episode.

That's my guess. He's just had a looooooooooooong time to discover things and think it over.

 

[Guri]

First. I've been thinking about this show waaaay too much.:lol

Now, on to what came to mind... this probably doesn't answer any questions, but it's interesting to think about theme wise.

We've noticed before that Jack is all about science, wanting to get off the island while Locke was pursuing, by faith a reason to stay on the island...

It's been established that Jacob wants to stay and MIB wants off, well in this past episode it seemed that Jacob was all faith and MIB was the curious science guy who wanted to harness the power and use it for something.

Same thing with the Ben and Widmore dichotomy. Ben doing everything for Jacob through cunning and manipulation, while Widmore seems to want to harness the energy using technology. (though that's just the assumption)

And the 'sides' on the island do seem to have this juxtaposition of faith and science... with the 'others' on Jacob's side living in temples and doing whatever he says for some unsaid reason just because they believe in him, while the Dharma initiative are out conducting experiments, trying to control the island's power and study human behavior in the process.

The more I think about it, the more interesting it is. Neither science nor faith are evil or good, it's how they are used... which would make more sense to me because what has been done by both sides has been to more to 'win' the war by any means.

Now, Jack has come full circle, changing from science to faith and I wonder if that will mean something in his being THE candidate.

 

[jt001]

That's a great point Guri!

I don't think they'll give away everything, so people would keep speculating for years to come.

Some things that have been buggin' me is how taller Walter managed to appear on the island at one point, and why Locke can see Little Jacob. Also, why on earth the gateway off the island is in Egypt.

 

[lonepigeon]

As a few others have said the Force was explained better in the classic trilogy than the "light/island/etc" has been explained thus far.
I'm not looking for rock solid scientific answers just some that are a little less wishy-washy. The light just seems to be a generic catch all.

I'm hoping they're saving the slightly more solid answers I want for the finale so as to not give too much away before then.

 

[ghostryder]

Well here's an interesting recap:

http://videogum.com/180191/lost-s06...yang-tattoo-on-the-bicep-of-a-jerk/tv/recaps/

 

[oblagon]

Finally got to watch this episode today; thought it was great all around. IMO defiantly shows that the MIB is not satan as originally hinted at. He's just tired of being caught up in the game created by Jacob and not-mom and wants to leave.

Also up until now I thought the MIB would have to find a replacement as well. But it's just Jacob that needs a new candidate as the island only has one protector.