Lost season 6 with spoilers beware
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I liked it. Whether you like what it delivered or not, those were big reveals.
if that is ALL they ever explain about the Island, I can live with that level of detail and ambiguity for sure.
The 'long con' goal posts were just moved? That ep seemed like a long con by Fake Mom to be relieved of her position.
But I feel like Fake Mom was Smokey, not the protector as she claimed.
Why?
The way she appeared to Real Mom in the water.
Her brutal actions towards Real Mom and MIB.
The way she appeared in the well with MIB. She somehow got by all the Romans?
The way she slaughters a whole tribe of romans and fills in the well - seemingly by herself.
She has intimate knowledge of what happens if a living being goes in the cave.
She wants to die.
All that seems like thought/actions/knowledge of Smokey. She just wanted to die, whereas her Smokey successor wants off the Island. I think it was all a long con to play the brothers off each other.
One thing I liked about the episode is it completely explains why Jacob and all his followers are like they are/act like they act. That's all jacob ever knew - being manipulated without explanation. He internalized that big time.
Seems like the events of that episode took place roughly 2000 years ago (as has been dated by the spoken latin) and clearly smokey existed on the island before that (since he is referenced in the hieroglyphics). i think it was her.
and ****, Jack was a little off when he dated the death of adam and eve at 50 years.
if i have one critique it would be placement....i think you could have made this episode two of this season and not lost any drama at all.
if that is ALL they ever explain about the Island, I can live with that level of detail and ambiguity for sure.
The 'long con' goal posts were just moved? That ep seemed like a long con by Fake Mom to be relieved of her position.
But I feel like Fake Mom was Smokey, not the protector as she claimed.
Why?
The way she appeared to Real Mom in the water.
Her brutal actions towards Real Mom and MIB.
The way she appeared in the well with MIB. She somehow got by all the Romans?
The way she slaughters a whole tribe of romans and fills in the well - seemingly by herself.
She has intimate knowledge of what happens if a living being goes in the cave.
She wants to die.
All that seems like thought/actions/knowledge of Smokey. She just wanted to die, whereas her Smokey successor wants off the Island. I think it was all a long con to play the brothers off each other.
One thing I liked about the episode is it completely explains why Jacob and all his followers are like they are/act like they act. That's all jacob ever knew - being manipulated without explanation. He internalized that big time.
Seems like the events of that episode took place roughly 2000 years ago (as has been dated by the spoken latin) and clearly smokey existed on the island before that (since he is referenced in the hieroglyphics). i think it was her.
and ****, Jack was a little off when he dated the death of adam and eve at 50 years.
if i have one critique it would be placement....i think you could have made this episode two of this season and not lost any drama at all.
Risu
Master Member
I agree with your points, but I think we're at the point now where they shouldn't be leaving any mystery anymore. These last few episodes should have been answer after answer. It would have been entertaining and relieving, and we all know they have enough questions to answer to fill the space. But as I said, I'll reserve judgment until the end of next week's episode. If they haven't gotten down to business by then there's a problem.
wackychimp
Sr Member
From my blog posting about Across The Sea... I think this is my main problem with the episode:
What am I missing?
What am I missing?
Larry Young
Master Member
Nice observation that at least the boys were human, so even if we were introduced to them late in the game, at least they weren't the aliens from Crystal Skull or something.
Thanks for those Oceanic luggage tags, too. Just what the doctor ordered.
Guri
Sr Member
Jacob doesn't seem to know unless drinking that wine reveals what it's all about... she did say 'we're the same now' or something to that affect.
I think seeing the way Jacob grew up makes more sense as to why he doesn't want to interact directly with people and uses Richard as a go -between.
I think seeing the way Jacob grew up makes more sense as to why he doesn't want to interact directly with people and uses Richard as a go -between.
nickytea
Master Member
I don't know about that.
It still posseses the brother-specific aim to leave the island. Or do you think that's a very general "malicious diety" attribute?
nickytea
Master Member
Well, it certainly does something, as the kids don't pop out until after Claudia drinks what "Mother" pours her.
qcfoundry
Sr Member
pardon my ignorance...but i seem to be in the minority.
why do most of you believe that smokey isn't jacob's brother..but a total entity altogether?
we see a lot of fake jacob's brother interacting with jacob, presumably after jacob put MIB and non-mom in the cave. hence jacob would know that the guy he was playing senet with is actually smokey (in MIB form) and not his brother. whats the point?
why do most of you believe that smokey isn't jacob's brother..but a total entity altogether?
we see a lot of fake jacob's brother interacting with jacob, presumably after jacob put MIB and non-mom in the cave. hence jacob would know that the guy he was playing senet with is actually smokey (in MIB form) and not his brother. whats the point?
Noeland
Master Member
Well, it's made of smoke. Even if it is Jacob's brother, how do you keep sentient smoke from leaving an island? It can fly. It can just fly away from the island "across the sea" so to speak, if it wants to.
I figure it must not really want to.
The only thing we have seen that messes with it is a sonic fence, which, how does that work? How come this sentient smoke from the bowels of the island can be stopped by a sonic fence?
Jacob never had one of those to keep it on island, and he obviously can't stop it from moving around on the island. It does pretty much whatever the heck it wants on island. Unless you have a fence.
Noeland
Master Member
The creature reads minds, and takes on aspects of the people it imitates to convince, manipulate, and kill the living. We've seen it as Locke all season, and we know it's not Locke. Why should we believe it's Jacob's brother?
Eopie Herder
Sr Member
I believe it is Jacob's brother. When his mother told him never to go down to the light, he asked why, would he die. She said, no you would become something much worse. Or something to that effect.
qcfoundry
Sr Member
seems you're kinda contradicting yourself.
you seem to know it can "leave whenever it wants"....but in reality you don't know all the "rules" it has to live by. perhaps MIB can't be smokey for too long and couldn't travel across the sea. maybe there's a force on the island (much like the magnetic fields) that keep it there....which may makes some sense...maybe your "sonic fence" is actually a magnetic fence....who knows.
kinda sitting beside jason on some of this stuff. and i hate to be a movie snob...but its bit of an american ideal to end all movies(shows) with all the answers...and have a prologue that explains the bios of all the characters after the final curtain. imo....take a sip of your favorite spirit....enjoy what you're shown...and have some "fun" guessing what it all means afterwards. imo, thats more lasting and interesting.
i'm a little hypocritical in earlier asking about the timeline (MIB dead in cave, yet talking to everyong later)....but I think that will be revealed one way or another.
i digress
nickytea
Master Member
Exactly. Fits with the Island/cork bottle analogy. And also with the direction the "Sideflashes" are going. No island (underwater) equals Smokie roaming free.
Did Jack say that the bones were 50 years old, or that the age of the people when they died were approx. 50 years old? Big difference - and that'd be right for the mother, and Jacob's brother was probably in his mid to late 40s when his corporeal form died. So it works... from a certain point of view 
I think his consciousness became Smokey, so technically it still IS Jacob's brother.
Also, if the mother was Smokey - how did she leave a regular old skeleton behind? If Flocke gets stabbed/"dies" do we end up with TWO Locke corpses?
I think his consciousness became Smokey, so technically it still IS Jacob's brother.
Also, if the mother was Smokey - how did she leave a regular old skeleton behind? If Flocke gets stabbed/"dies" do we end up with TWO Locke corpses?
Just checked. In "House of the Rising Sun" Jack identifies the corpses as being dead around 50 years due to decomposition of their clothes.
I think that what came out of the cave after the MIB was pushed in is a physical manifestation of the mix of Island Mojo and humanity. It's a hybrid of magnificent power and the id of guy who was f'd up by his mommy.
I think that what came out of the cave after the MIB was pushed in is a physical manifestation of the mix of Island Mojo and humanity. It's a hybrid of magnificent power and the id of guy who was f'd up by his mommy.
Risu
Master Member
Well, what does Jack know about decomposition anyway? Damn it Jim, he's a doctor, not a physical anthropologist!
