Lost season 6 with spoilers beware

[oblagon]

While I'm sure you're right about Jacob's cabin being his prison, I only asked incredulously that you believe anything the Smoke Monster says. Or, in a less-loaded wording, that it's hard to take what he says at face value. So, sure, until proven otherwise, we don't know what he is or isn't lying about... but it's been proven he lies on some occasions, so we never know when he's being truthful or not.

It's Tall Walt who makes me think Jacob can change forms, because he's the only character who's appeared where he wasn't supposed to be who isn't dead. Mr. Eko's brother, Kate's white horse, Dave; if you think he's imaginary or not, are all explainable by the Smoke Monster. But if the rules say he can't take anyone's form who isn't dead, that means it was someone else standing over Locke in the Dharma grave pit, telling him he still had work to do. Just like Burial Suit Christian in "So It Begins."

Well, I don't believe everything that character says. But I'm making educated speculations based on what has happened and explained to us directly by the characters.

True we don't know if it was Walt or not that appeared to (alive) Locke but again I would guess that it was the MIB based on what's been shown and established in the Lost universe so far.

Eko's brother was smoky, no question there. Right after Remy appeared to Eko it turned into the smoke monster and attacked Eko.

The white horse according to the writers is a sprit or ghost that appeared to Kate.

 

[Larry Young]

Just a wild guess, but I say Ben and Russo will hook up.

OMG I would love this show forever.

 

[Guri]

Just a wild guess, but I say Ben and Russo will hook up.

Hadn't thought of that, but it would make sense as both a surprise and a good fit because of Alex. That's if Alex's father is out of the picture for some reason. He was killed on the island, they'd have to make up a reason why he isn't still around off the island.

 

[SmilingOtter]

I'm wondering if the ghost kid who keeps spooking Smokey has been responsible for anything the survivors have seen...

 

[Guri]

I think that's Jacob. Not sure why he keeps showing up or if he's a ghost or reincarnation.

 

[cboath]

Whoa! This thread got me over 1000 posts! Thanks LOST!

These posts don't count on the post count....

 

[Starkiller0613]

I don't think smokie can read minds, prob just see their memories, or else he would know sawyer was lying to him right off the bat about following his plan etc.

I also think there's something to one of the candidates staying on the island. Especially after Jack said maybe he's (smokie) is afraid of what happens if we stay and jumped off the boat.

But if Jacob had to stay on the island the whole time for smokie to be contained then he wouldn't have been able to visit the candidates off island. So there's gotta be more to it than that.

Still lots of questions, but at least some of the more major ones are being answered.

 

[cboath]

The loophole would be that as long as a candidate was on the island, smokie would be stuck and jacob could travel the world.

Is there any evidence that anyone besides whoever jacob spoke to off island could see him? Maybe he was physically on the island and just appeared to them.

 

[Starkiller0613]

Maybe other people couldn't see him, but if he just appeared then how'd he give hurley the guitar case? I'd have to look back to see if Jacob interacted with anyone else while off island.

And as far as the dead or not dead appearing to people, I think some of it was smokie, and some was the island. People kept telling Michael that the island wasn't done with him, but right before he died, Christian appeared to him on the freighter and said, "you can go now." Basically the island was releasing him. Just my opinion.

 

[oblagon]

Maybe other people couldn't see him, but if he just appeared then how'd he give hurley the guitar case? I'd have to look back to see if Jacob interacted with anyone else while off island.

And as far as the dead or not dead appearing to people, I think some of it was smokie, and some was the island. People kept telling Michael that the island wasn't done with him, but right before he died, Christian appeared to him on the freighter and said, "you can go now." Basically the island was releasing him. Just my opinion.

Jacob talked to the shop keeper and paid for the lunch box that Kate stole when she was a child. He also talked to the cab driver when him and Hurley met up off island.
So I would assume that he physically was there when he met all the candidates.

 

[dropshipbob]

People kept telling Michael that the island wasn't done with him, but right before he died, Christian appeared to him on the freighter and said, "you can go now." Basically the island was releasing him. Just my opinion.

Ahhh, but then in the episode a week ago, Michael told Hurley that he was trapped on the island when he died.
So someone lied to him.

 

[Starkiller0613]

well you have a point there. but if the smoke monster cant travel over water without some means of transportation and being released by a candidate or jacob then how'd he appear on the boat. You see the paradox I'm coming to? I love this show, but I swear if someone thinks too much about it, you will at least get a headache. Haha. That's why for the most part I've just gone along for the ride.

 

[Guri]

It's just a guess. He can make people immortal; he seemingly brought Locke back to life after he got chucked out the window. Seems a short hop to think he can't change forms, too.

Hey, you know what just occurred to me, Locke is still alive and in a wheel chair in sideways universe.

So, if Jacob brought Locke back to life after he got chucked out the window, he should be dead because Jacob wouldn't have done it.

But, if Locke is in the wheelchair and alive, he still got chucked out the window and crippled, and must not have died. The only thing that's different is that his girlfriend did NOT leave him.

This makes me think that Jacob did not bring Locke back to life when he touched him after being chucked, rather, he altered his time line in a way to make him not have anything worth going back to once he got to the island.

That's similar with what happened to Jack - in the Jacob touched me universe, he has no son.

And with Hurley - in the Jacob touched me universe, he was unlucky.

Is Jacob really the good guy? I'm really doubting it now.

 

[propologist]

You know I heard the other day that the cast from LOST gets off the Island , but gets caught and put into PRISON. The cast from PRISON BREAK get LOST on an island, thus extending two boring series two more seasons.

 

[cboath]

Hey, you know what just occurred to me, Locke is still alive and in a wheel chair in sideways universe.

So, if Jacob brought Locke back to life after he got chucked out the window, he should be dead because Jacob wouldn't have done it.

But, if Locke is in the wheelchair and alive, he still got chucked out the window and crippled, and must not have died. The only thing that's different is that his girlfriend did NOT leave him.

This makes me think that Jacob did not bring Locke back to life when he touched him after being chucked, rather, he altered his time line in a way to make him not have anything worth going back to once he got to the island.

That's similar with what happened to Jack - in the Jacob touched me universe, he has no son.

And with Hurley - in the Jacob touched me universe, he was unlucky.

Is Jacob really the good guy? I'm really doubting it now.

That would leave NO good guy. No way the man in black is a good guy. No way the good guy seriously says "Do you know how much I want to kill you right now?". And lets not forget the 100 or so murders on his hands.

Here's another question for you...if jacob or a candite keeps MiB stuck on the island - what exactly happens when the island is obliterated in the nuclear explosion? Are both destroyed? Are both still alive, but living on the obliterated island underwater with jacob bringing in sea creatures or mermaids as 'candidates'?

 

[oblagon]

Hey, you know what just occurred to me, Locke is still alive and in a wheel chair in sideways universe.

So, if Jacob brought Locke back to life after he got chucked out the window, he should be dead because Jacob wouldn't have done it.

But, if Locke is in the wheelchair and alive, he still got chucked out the window and crippled, and must not have died. The only thing that's different is that his girlfriend did NOT leave him.

This makes me think that Jacob did not bring Locke back to life when he touched him after being chucked, rather, he altered his time line in a way to make him not have anything worth going back to once he got to the island.

That's similar with what happened to Jack - in the Jacob touched me universe, he has no son.

And with Hurley - in the Jacob touched me universe, he was unlucky.

Is Jacob really the good guy? I'm really doubting it now.

Good points. To expand on the Jacob good or evil debate. Jacob wanted Sayid to be brought back to life and what happened..Sayid goes on a killing spree. Why if Jacob is representing good would he want that?

That theory would certainly coincide with the writers statment and what we've seen so far on the show that "dead is dead" on Lost. Even Richard who had been with Jacob for a long time, stated (after seeing Locke) that he'd never seen anyone come back to life before.

Earlier in the posts the question of Walt had come up and who exactly had appeared to Shannon and Locke. I went back and rewatched "Room 23". When Michael was taken by the others they asked him questions about Walt. One of them was in reference to Walt appearing in places where he shouldn't be. With that said, it seems this has already been explained as Walt was projecting himself to Locke and Shannon.

 

[Larry Young]

Hey, you know what just occurred to me, Locke is still alive and in a wheel chair in sideways universe.

So, if Jacob brought Locke back to life after he got chucked out the window, he should be dead because Jacob wouldn't have done it.

But, if Locke is in the wheelchair and alive, he still got chucked out the window and crippled, and must not have died. The only thing that's different is that his girlfriend did NOT leave him.

Well, that and the fact that she tells him she wants a small wedding, with just them, her parents, and his father. Which makes me think Locke is in a wheelchair for a completely different reason than his father throwing him out the window, because Helen adds in his father in that list so warmly. No way you warmly invite someone to your small wedding who threw you out a window. I mean, Anthony Cooper might still be a jerk con man, but he has at least a slightly better relationship in Dimension X than in our world.

 

[Guri]

That would leave NO good guy. No way the man in black is a good guy.

Jacob wanted Sayid to be brought back to life and what happened..Sayid goes on a killing spree. Why if Jacob is representing good would he want that?

I don't know that it is a good vs bad, maybe it's just two different sides - Jacob on the side of doing whatever it takes to keep MIB on the island and MIB doing whatever it takes to get off the island.

So while the two of them appeal to the good or evil sensibilities in each person to manipulate them into doing what they want, neither of them has to be good or bad... they just have to be what the candidates want them to be. Very much like Survivor rules.

 

[Guri]

Well, that and the fact that she tells him she wants a small wedding, with just them, her parents, and his father. Which makes me think Locke is in a wheelchair for a completely different reason than his father throwing him out the window, because Helen adds in his father in that list so warmly. No way you warmly invite someone to your small wedding who threw you out a window. I mean, Anthony Cooper might still be a jerk con man, but he has at least a slightly better relationship in Dimension X than in our world.

I didn't catch the invite of his father. wow. So many details in this show. Thanks for that.

 

[Larry Young]

I didn't catch the invite of his father. wow. So many details in this show. Thanks for that.

I watch this show like Oliver Stone watches the Zapruder film.