Lighters to collect that were used in movies

[VonMagnum]

I'm not sure if the lighter is supposed to separate from the cigarette box tray or not. It seems stuck on there pretty good. Maybe they once sold this lighter separately from the tray? Maybe it's just stuck? I dunno, but the lighter itself comes out of the jacket easy enough. It did have an ancient flint in it and another stored in the fuel lid along with what looks like an extra snuffer internal cap (don't see one missing on the lighter). EDIT: Ok, that "screw" sits over top of the extra hidden flint thingy (based on another lighter).

Fuel Cap and extra snuffer part?

For a 93-year old lighter, it wasn't hard to get it working. I drilled out the flint, ran a brush through it and across the spark wheel and filled it up. It sparks like a champ still.


Yee-haw! The Gutman is BACK IN SERVICE baby! Smoke 'em if you got 'em!

 

[VonMagnum]

The Mighty Jabba asks why he must pay 50,000 credits...because he's holding a thermal detonator!!!

Ronson "Thermal Detonator" 1929 Rondelight.

Look at that Dark Saber Blade flame! Jabba doesn't know what he's messin' with!

Yes, that is the real flame untouched. And no, I don't know why it looks like a blade.... But it's cool as hell.



Beavis Approves!

FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!

 

[joberg]

Never saw that type of round "Canon Ball" lighter...very cool

Here's a swiss lighter; very unusual also:

 

[VonMagnum]

I was talking with the owner of Ronson Repair about the Baronet and he indicated the book that contains the various models, estimated rarity and going prices doesn't show that particular combination. There's a box that looks like that which has an ordinary cylinder type lighter with it and there is a Baronet lighter that matches the lighter sitting on it, but none with both. He thought maybe it was unique, but I've seen at least 3 others like it out there in photos. The one site said only a couple were known (sounds like what someone said about the Blade Runner lighter Rachel was using). I'm guessing it's more like only a few have survived. The book says it's actually 1931, not 1929 for both by themselves so more contradictions. In any case, the lighter case with a different lighter is listed as RARE and the Baronet lighter by itself is listed EXTREMELY RARE. I guess that would almost make the set of 4 known in the world (all which apparently have different unique color combinations) a D&D "LEGENDARY" item.

In any case, I don't feel so bad for how much I paid now as the book suggests the lighter alone is potentially worth twice what I paid and the case tops out on the high end at what I paid so the combo should theoretically be worth a bit more yet.

 

[repy]

Never saw that type of round "Canon Ball" lighter...very cool

Here's a swiss lighter; very unusual also:
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A pipe lighter...

 

[cjunco1937]

Hello. I’ve been reading through this thread and was wondering, is the consensus now that the prop lighter used by Marion in Raiders is the Super 6700 (based on the river seen in the scene), but that the 4700 is closer historically (though not perfect since it was released in 1937)? I’m considering getting both but wanted to poll the audience. Attached are pics of versions of both that I am considering getting the 6700 has the reg Trademark Austria Cap (no patent) and the 4700 appears to have the Patent made in Austria cap. Appreciate any suggestions as to whether these versions are the right ones to get.

 

[cjunco1937]

*rivet

 

[VonMagnum]

I think this snapshot proves (since it shows the rivet shape) it uses the Super 6700, although the 4700 would have been historically for 1936 the only possible lighter she could have had, although what it would be doing that far from Austria would be unusual, but maybe a friend sent it to her? I have both lighters. It took me awhile to find a 4700 that had no Patent marking on it (It didn't receive its patent until 1937). I remember when people used to argue which "cap" on the Super 6700 was the correct one from 1936. Well, none are since it didn't exist until the 1950s....

No Patent 1936 Cap on a 4700

 

[cjunco1937]

Makes sense. But if you had to pick a cap for the 6700, I guess it would be the one that reads IMCO TRIPLEX - TM REG. Vienna Austria Super 6700, since that’s technically the oldest one right? I mean since we don’t know what cap was actually on the prop (might have been the “come of” one knock-off/China version), might as well go for the earliest one it seems to me. And then I agree, if one wants period accuracy, I guess you have to find the pre-1937 “no patent” 4700 that just reads IMCO Triplex on the cap.

Btw, for the life of me, no matter how much I squint, I can’t see this rivet that you guys are talking about on the screengrab. Could I trouble you to point it out on the screencap and the lighter?

 

[VonMagnum]

Makes sense. But if you had to pick a cap for the 6700, I guess it would be the one that reads IMCO TRIPLEX - TM REG. Vienna Austria Super 6700, since that’s technically the oldest one right? I mean since we don’t know what cap was actually on the prop (might have been the “come of” one knock-off/China version), might as well go for the earliest one it seems to me. And then I agree, if one wants period accuracy, I guess you have to find the pre-1937 “no patent” 4700 that just reads IMCO Triplex on the cap.

Btw, for the life of me, no matter how much I squint, I can’t see this rivet that you guys are talking about on the screengrab. Could I trouble you to point it out on the screencap and the lighter?

I think people would probably prefer the exact cap used in the movie, but since we don't know for sure, it's anyone's guess. I think the most likely one would be the one that was sold around 1980 when the movie was being made (IMCO still made them in Austria then). I forget which was the newer cap offhand, but it's not the 'TM' one, which as you indicated is probably the oldest. I've got 3 Super 6700 lighters, two with TM caps and one with Patent Austria.

 

[VonMagnum]

As for the images, just below the flame you can see a round shape. That's the back of the rivet on the 6700. The 4700 has a line, not a circle on the back side.

6700 (circular rivet on back facing right)

4700 (line slit half circle on back facing right)

To me, at least, it looks like a circle, not a half circle slit

 

[cjunco1937]

Thanks VM. I see where you’re pointing, but I confess that, to my eyes, that looks like it could be anything (circle rivet or half circle slit). I’m sure there’s not much out there in terms of clearer pics but I’ll see if I can find any clearer pics. On another topic, have you identified the lighter that Bond has in Dr No at the baccarat table and also the one that Rick has in Casablanca. Big fan of both.

 

[VonMagnum]

On another topic, have you identified the lighter that Bond has in Dr No at the baccarat table and also the one that Rick has in Casablanca. Big fan of both.

The lighter has in both Dr. No and again in Goldfinger is a Dunhill Broadboy MK2 full cap version in custom oxidized gunmetal finish. It was actually a custom order someone never picked up and they bought it for the Bond movie. They're rare enough as it is, but the Bond usage puts them into the stratosphere.

There's been two for sale "Buy Now" on eBay (one monogrammed and neither the right finish, but at least the sterling silver one doesn't have a monogram) and both are priced in the multiple thousand range. That's too rich for my blood. I bid for one in an auction once and topped out over $900 and still lost, ironically (although not really since god knows what his upper limit was) for just above my bid as the auto-bid system works. There's like 5 dozen "watching" those lighters hoping they reduce the price to something more reasonable, but they never have.

Frankly, if I were going to spend that much, there's no way in hell it'd be for that silver plated monogram one. It's not worth half that, IMO as that auction proved. The sterling silver one is nice, however and given the overall ridiculous price, paying a bit more for one that can't lose its plating (because it's solid silver) and doesn't have someone's initials on it would be the right move, IMO. That other one will probably never sell at that price, IMO.

The Casablanca one is clearly a Ronson pocket lighter, possibly a Ronson Standard, but there's several that look almost identical so it's hard to be sure at a distance.

 

[VonMagnum]

I just won another auction. 1928 Ronson De-Light pocket lighter in a brown leather wrap in good condition. I recently saw one for sale on a certain site right now for $150 in fully functional condition. I got this for a small fraction of that and should be able to restore it myself in quick order if there's any issues.

 

[cjunco1937]

The lighter has in both Dr. No and again in Goldfinger is a Dunhill Broadboy MK2 full cap version in custom oxidized gunmetal finish. It was actually a custom order someone never picked up and they bought it for the Bond movie. They're rare enough as it is, but the Bond usage puts them into the stratosphere.

There's been two for sale "Buy Now" on eBay (one monogrammed and neither the right finish, but at least the sterling silver one doesn't have a monogram) and both are priced in the multiple thousand range. That's too rich for my blood. I bid for one in an auction once and topped out over $900 and still lost, ironically (although not really since god knows what his upper limit was) for just above my bid as the auto-bid system works. There's like 5 dozen "watching" those lighters hoping they reduce the price to something more reasonable, but they never have.

Frankly, if I were going to spend that much, there's no way in hell it'd be for that silver plated monogram one. It's not worth half that, IMO as that auction proved. The sterling silver one is nice, however and given the overall ridiculous price, paying a bit more for one that can't lose its plating (because it's solid silver) and doesn't have someone's initials on it would be the right move, IMO. That other one will probably never sell at that price, IMO.

The Casablanca one is clearly a Ronson pocket lighter, possibly a Ronson Standard, but there's several that look almost identical so it's hard to be sure at a distance.

Very enlightening. Thanks. I assume the original Bond one was sterling silver such that the one you bid on at auction is essentially the same lighter?

 

[cjunco1937]

I just won another auction. 1928 Ronson De-Light pocket lighter in a brown leather wrap in good condition. I recently saw one for sale on a certain site right now for $150 in fully functional condition. I got this for a small fraction of that and should be able to restore it myself in quick order if there's any issues.

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Certainly looks like It belongs at Rick’s

 

[VonMagnum]

Very enlightening. Thanks. I assume the original Bond one was sterling silver such that the one you bid on at auction is essentially the same lighter?

No, I think it might have been silver plated. I'd still prefer sterling if cost were no object regardless as it'd look the same as plated without the problems associated with plating potentially coming off. I mean short of it being the actual lighter from the movie, I'm not sure anything beyond a visual match is that important, at least not to me.

Some might want every single detail the same, but that still won't make it the actual prop.I suppose it comes down to priorities.

I don't know if you've seen my "MagnaTRON" home theater page on here ("MagnaTRON" Home Theater Room With Movie Props), but I started just wanting some close props to go with the movie posters I put up and ended up expanding to an entire home theater loaded with prop displays (and even a talking Darth Vader subwoofer helmet I set up with sensors that says a dozen or so different goofy subwoofer altered takes on his movie lines) and light up props spanning both lengths that come on with a remote button) and expanded into the attached half bathroom with more displays (Fifth Element stones with matching scented votive candles and the key in a ridiculously high end custom made display tube with machined aluminum from England) with a movie themed lighter display on the mirror shelf to flat out filling up 1/3 my dresser and over half my China cabinet with vintage lighters galore (probably 120 working now). I tell myself they're all only going to go up in value....

 

[cjunco1937]

No, I think it might have been silver plated. I'd still prefer sterling if cost wereno object regardless as it'd look the same as plated without the problems associated with plating potentially coming off. I mean short of it being the actual lighter from the movie, I'm not sure anything beyond a visual match is that important, at least not to me.

Some might want every single detail the same, but that still won't make it the actual prop.I suppose it comes down to priorities.

I don't know if you've seen my "MagnaTRON" home theater page on here ("MagnaTRON" Home Theater Room With Movie Props), but I started just wanting some close props to go with the movie posters I put up and ended up expanding to an entire home theater loaded with prop displays (and even a talking Darth Vader subwoofer helmet I set up with sensors that says a dozen or so different goofy subwoofer altered takes on his movie lines) and light up props spanning both lengths that come on with a remote button) and expanded into the attached half bathroom with more displays (Fifth Element stones with matching scented votive candles and the key in a ridiculously high end custom made display tube with machined aluminum from England) with a movie themed lighter display on the mirror shelf to flat out filling up 1/3 my dresser and over half my China cabinet with vintage lighters galore (probably 120 working now). I tell myself they're all only going to go up in value....

Going through it. Impressive… most impressive. I’d seen the Indy portion of your display but you have an awesome collection. Love the 20 cigarette case you got from Bullets or Ballots. Looks like a perfect match. Love Tron too but you’re right. Other than the frisbee, it’s tough to get props for that movie. Maltese Falcon looks great and I love the Conan sword. Fantastic find on that Robson with the JB initials

 

[cjunco1937]

This is the best pic I could get of the “rivet” in Marion’s lighter. Still not sure that it’s definitely a rivet and not the half moon slit of the 4700 but it does seem to look more like a circle. I also attached another pic showing how Marion keeps the wind guard fairly low. For some reason I thought this was interesting.

 

[cjunco1937]

And this pic shows why I’m hesitant to conclude definitively that it’s a rivet. In the right light, the half moon of the 4700 could look like that circle. Though I admit it’s more likely that it is the 6700 (if nothing else, bc it was likely easier to get for the prop dept).