True, I forgot you mentioned the lounge music of Canto Bight in relation to TLJ. :lol
Which actually is a fun spaced out track. But sounds like bringing Lapti Nek as a standout from ROTJ.
I do actually like the new themes, Rey’s Kylo’s, Resistance march, but what were new themes in TLJ that were not reworks of previous ones?
I've noticed that most Star Wars fans hold the OT as the gold standard. But I have friends who I recently introduced to Star Wars, and while I started them with OT. They all prefer the PT or ST, movies, music, characters and so on.
So when I hear people lamenting, that 'it's not as good as the OT'. Of course it's not, and it never will. The new films will never ever give you that same experience or feeling you got watching the originals. Dare I say, it's scientifically impossible. And keep in mind for those out there who are being introduced to Star Wars with the Sequel trilogy. That is going to be their gold standard. That will be the Star Wars that they compare all else to.
Ah the nostalgia defense, did you ever think that maybe your friends just have crappy taste in movies?
If you had to introduce them to Star Wars in the first place then they probably just aren't the kind of people that would appreciate the originals for what they are, i had the same thing when introducing my girlfriend to them. She only watched cheap straight to DVD scary movies and couldn't understand why anybody would watch these "ancient" movies:facepalm
The originals are classics for a reason, people have loved them for 40 years for a reason. Nobody will love or even remember The Last Jedi in 40 years.
But whole am I to say they have a crappy taste in films? Should I, a fallible human being, tell another fallible human being that the movies they like stink?
How a person views their entertainment, is based upon previous forms of entertainment. As an example. I love the 1959 Ben-Hur, I think it's the best version, and probably one of the best, if not the best film ever made. However someone who had seen the 1925 version first, would probably say the same thing. And the two of us could argue which is better until the end of the world. It's not necessarily nostalgia,(though it plays a part) but past experiences, which serve to form our opinions, when it comes to entertainment. This is why adaptations of popular books or games is so hard to right. For the viewer of an adaptation, who's read the book first, the book will always be better.
Here's a couple more examples. I love Ghost in the Shell, but I've never read the comic, nor watched the anime. Those who had, disliked movie greatly.
I dislike Man of Steel, my girlfriend loves it. I dislike it, because I was introduced to Superman with the Christopher Reeve version, she wasn't. To her Henry Cavill is Superman.
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I grew up with Christopher Reeve as superman and i did in-fact like Man of Steel, in my view it all comes down to objectivity. Most people completely lack the ability to view things they don't necessarily like objectively. You don't need to like fantasy to be able to see that The Lord of the Rings are a modern cinematic masterpiece despite their many flaws, same with the original Star Wars movies. The only way someone can dismiss these movies as "bad" is if they let their own bias influence their view of reality.
I absolutely loathe Tarantino films and think he's an overrated hack that creates the most basic bargain bin movies, however i am objective enough to see that what his movies do, they do very well for their intended audience and can appreciate them for what they are.
I don't hate The Last Jedi for being a Star Wars movie that i'm not accustomed to, i hate it because it's just a terrible movie.
Like they say, there's no accounting for taste.
Most people completely lack the ability to view things they don't necessarily like objectively.
Granted, we're a limited audience - however, we ARE the targeted audience and i'd wager the dislikes here outweigh the likes - on a per user base, at at least 8-1, if not more.
To me, that would seem to be 'missing the target audience'. Seems as if the point was simply to **** off the established fan base. I mean, who pays 250M to make a movie to **** off the target audience? TFA was directed at the existing fans with what it pulled from the OT. You don't bring them in only to **** them off. It makes no business sense. If the move is to bring in new fans, great, but it's a net loss when you bring a few new ones and lose a bunch of existing ones.
Look at the interviews before TLJ came out. They were all talking about how unexpected and thrilling TLJ was, and hoped the fans would find it that way as well. They wanted to create something truly fun and exciting, they were hoping the fans would just love being surprised. But instead the fans just screamed..........turns out, a group of them didn't like being surprised. I loved TLJ because it surprised me. I remember watching as Rey handed the lightsaber over to Luke. My mind running through all the ideas and guesses of what I thought would happen. And quickly drawing the conclusion that they were all cheesy and lame. Then suddenly Luke flings the lightsaber! "Whoa! Didn't see that coming. Okay then let's see how this pans out!"
Unlike many fans, who gave up on the movie right there, that scene drew me in, I wanted to desperately know what happened to Luke, that would cause him to do that. I was like Rey, pleading, questioning, hopeful.
Well in any case you sure found out what happened to Luke, turns out he became a nihilistic "feminine hygiene product" nozzle just like Rian Johnson.
If only this was the spirit that motivated those behind TLJ and not selfish ambition.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrRFXMI4N1s
Nihilistic, Luke is not.
Luke's has exiled himself in order to bring an end to a Jedi, so that the Light will arise from another source. His exile is not something he wants to do, but something he feels needs to be done.
When Luke declares that "it's time for the Jedi to end" and he declares that he "just came here (to Ach-To) to die." That is the very definition of nihilism. `
As hard as Rian Johnson tried to "subvert expectations" , he conveniently used the very same tropes he openly mocked to tell his story. Luke spends the entire movie mocking the Jedi and their teachings, slandering the name of his mentor (Kenobi), and refusing to train a student who shows up with his old lightsaber, even going so far as to be rude to her to the point that she leaves, only to use the Force so hard that it literally almost kills him. You can't have it both ways. Either it's a straight out parody or the material is treated with SOME dignity, otherwise most people have a hard time caring at all.
When Luke declares that "it's time for the Jedi to end" and he declares that he "just came here (to Ach-To) to die." That is the very definition of nihilism. `
As hard as Rian Johnson tried to "subvert expectations" , he conveniently used the very same tropes he openly mocked to tell his story. Luke spends the entire movie mocking the Jedi and their teachings, slandering the name of his mentor (Kenobi), and refusing to train a student who shows up with his old lightsaber, even going so far as to be rude to her to the point that she leaves, only to use the Force so hard that it literally almost kills him. You can't have it both ways. Either it's a straight out parody or the material is treated with SOME dignity, otherwise most people have a hard time caring at all.