Higher resolution won't help with the ongoing word salad.
Julien’s Upcoming Hero Phaser & Communicator Auction
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Higher resolution won't help with the ongoing word salad.
Unless someone comes up with some 35mm film prints to scan, the highest we have of Star Trek is 1080. Increasing the resolution, no matter the method, does not reveal new or reliable information. It just makes up new information.
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AdmiralBaxter
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No, if you screen cap the episodes at the highest resolution you do capture more information. Although I have found it's better to do a higher rate of screen caps. I can get about 15GB of screencaps of the older HD-DVD's and that equals one screen cap per frame of film...
Well yeah, if you cap it at its full resolution, which is 1080. But 1080 is all it is. It's not like a photograph where you might find more information the higher you scan the film. It's pixels. There ain't no more. You can set your program to make a gajillion by gajillion file out of that 1080 image, but you are not getting genuine information. The program is extrapolating to create it. It might even look nicer to the eye, but that extra info is made up and therefore useless for the research purposes we're doing here.
Lightning
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not anytime soon, they would insist on redoing all the special effects again, and that is unlikely.
Chrisisall
Master Member
Do you have any idea how amazingly bad many of the process shots would look at 4K? At 1080 on my 50" 4K TV they look terrible already... on my 24" 1080 TV the 1080 didn't look so bad....
Tosfan1
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Oh I agree, however, when the prop department is changing out batteries on as many as 4 heros - all painted the same, its easy for an accidental swap to occur. I work in television production and it’s a hectic pace; the prop people are often rushed and errors do occur. The mechanical innards fail on these delicate heros. Several times I’ve transposed P1’s on my fiberglass P2’s and I’m not in a rush! . They certainly are a clever bit of engineering.
AdmiralBaxter
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It really depends on your TV more than anything as I watch the 4K blurays
You are talking about broadcast or streaming episodes in which the quality is basically 1080p even if the streaming service claims it's 4K
AdmiralBaxter
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I could take 4K video files and burn them to BR disc (I've done it before but I need a new BR disc burner)
AdmiralBaxter
Sr Member
The more frames you capture is the more information you get..... most screen cap software is set to get 1 capture per 10 frames of film BUT you can change the capture rate so you capture more than the original frame rate. You won't generate false information and you won't lose any information either.....
The fact that it holds up so well in 1080 HD is a testament to how well-made the show was, for its time.
In 4K, we'd be seeing all sorts of things that were never intended to be seen. Heck, in HD, you can already see coffee stains on shirts and makeup/wig seams.
And then there are the VFX. The revisionist CGI effects have dated rather poorly. It would be one thing if the original VFX could be recomposited, as TNG's were, but the elements are mostly long-gone.
So, 1960s and/or 2006 VFX upscaled to 4K, or from-scratch 4K renders. And, frankly, I'm not a fan of tossing the old VFX out in favor of the Okudas' fannish and arrogant revisionism.
I think there's a case to be made that TOS is best experienced on VHS or DVD, frankly. The show wasn't made to stand up to HD or 4K scrutiny. I like the look of the Blu-Rays, though.
#PhysicalMedia wins in all categories except convenience.
AdmiralBaxter
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Yep and most don't even know that if you scan 35mm at its nominal resolution is 4K
Most will never understand that the 1080p is actually 16mm film resolution
Yep. Film falls in the 4K-8K range. 1080 is still the home media standard, but a good 4K transfer on a 4K disc is like the jump from VHS to DVD.
Those old Lincoln Enterprises film trims (where the Joaquin phaser shot apparently came from) innately have higher resolution than the Blu-Rays.
AdmiralBaxter
Sr Member
Yes 70mm film is roughly 12K to 15K depending on the 70mm film (as different film stock was better at capturing images)...
Some will say 4K video files are bad for getting screen caps from yet as long as it's at a high bit rate and a h265 video file there's tons of information that can be recovered.
I do screencaps with software that's about 6 years old because I don't want to shell out $500 for the latest software.
Right. I was referring to 35mm, specifically, but it's good that you clarified for anyone reading.
Chrisisall
Master Member
"Fannish and arrogant" ?? Do you not realize that what they did did not replace the original FX? We get a choice, and your choice seems to be a Herbert concerning this...
AdmiralBaxter
Sr Member
When they first redone TOS for HD-DVD was when we got the TOS Remastered and if you wanted the original effects you were stuck with the Red/Yellow/Blue DVD set for the original effects. It wasn't until the Blu-Ray's in 2009 that you got both versions got both..."Fannish and arrogant" ?? Do you not realize that what they did did not replace the original FX? We get a choice, and your choice seems to be a Herbert concerning this...
TOS Phaser
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You see the same difference in the "Court-Martial" cap of the same Hero P2:
Post photo - 1.
Lights in the Engineering room are much, much brighter than in the theater space...
Post photo - 2.
I don't think you can explain away the obvious difference in the rear end of the Hero P1 in Post photo -2 and the rear end of the TMOST P1 in Post photo - 3 (below) with "flash":
Post photo - 3.
The two Hero P1s shown above, Post photo - 1 and Post photo - 3, do not have the same rear ends...
You see this clearly in the "Assignment Earth" caps.
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