JJ ABRAMS Enterprise
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Prop Collector
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DuneMuadDib
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Maybe the car on in the movie is an automatic and he can't drive stick? :lol
Well since the "unwashed masses" wouldn't know the NX-01 from NCC-1701 or the NX-2000, why couldn't it be the original ship? They'd never know anyway. But I've answered that. Marketing.
They've had four other tries at a fresh face, none has had the impact of the original. The one thing they haven't done is to go back where it belongs.
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He also should have never cast Nimoy if he wanted the old fans to stay clear. They made it possible for him to have this job by keeping Trek alive all these years.
See Abrams could of made it a "gangsta" planet and gotten his "new" fans and stayed canon.lol
OMG! DON'T give 'em any ideas!!!! :eek You want Will Smith to be the villain in the next one???
-Sarge
Subotnik
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Thankfully he was only a set designer on The Film That Shall Not Be Named.
As an art director he's done Zodiac, Solaris, and Ocean's Eleven.
AnubisGuard
Master Member
Because the original ship looks like a product of a '60s TV show and not a 2009 blockbuster film?
On the TrekBBS, somebody took the new Enterprise and showed it around to a few people they knew who were causally aquainted with, but not big fans of, the original Star Trek; the reaction was "oh, that's the ship form Star Trek."
It's a funny thing, people's memories. When ILM was putting together the digital Yoda for Episode II, they tried replicating the non-moving lips of the puppet version, only to find that they didn't play on the CGI version. People, including the poeple working on the project "remembered" a more dynamic Yoda than they actually saw in the form of the puppet. Similarly, if you throw the '60s ship on the big screen, in a modern theater for a modern audience using modern techniques... people like that would look at it and think it looked way cheesier than what they remember seeing form the old TV show, because the context has changed. And for people who may never have seen Star Trek at all, and were raised on modern film aesthetics, the simple '60s design could be fatally laughable.
And you'd better believe that's what this film needs. What's with this reaction I keep seeing of treating talk of Star Trek as a product as though that's some kind of sacrilege? Trek is entertainment. If Star Trek is going to survive, it needs to change and be, yes, marketed to a new generation of moviegoers. You've got 700 hurs of old guard Trek you can go back and watch, if that's what you want. It isn't going anywhere, but I'm waiitng to see what comes next.
Noeland
Master Member
I'm willing to bet for a lot of die hard fans, they'd rather see the franchise dead than given this kind of rockem' sockem' treatment.
Personally, I like this direction for Trek, but I've always been more a fan of TOS than TNG in tone, but TNG in tech. Make sense?
This looks to be very much that.
AnubisGuard
Master Member
I think you're right, but I just don't see it the same way.
Makes total sense, and I agree completely. :thumbsup
Noeland
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http://www.startrekmovie.com/
The new trailer will be available in HD this morning. I doubt seeing the smaller finer details of the new world will convert the haters, but I'm looking forward to seeing a good copy of it. The bootleg just doesn't do it justice.
The new trailer will be available in HD this morning. I doubt seeing the smaller finer details of the new world will convert the haters, but I'm looking forward to seeing a good copy of it. The bootleg just doesn't do it justice.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
I am going to put one of those hats back on for his use of "could of". The man does know his Trek though.
I am going to see this movie, not release weekend mind you, with my only expectation being to see a decent sci-fi flick. Judging by the trailer, I will get my wish.
rad1701
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I had a good thought (I think) about all this over the weekend as I got ready to do my weekly podcast. I think what JJ is doing with Trek is like Marvel Comics did with their Ultimate line of comics. They took established characters and kind of took them back to their roots and sort of put a new spin on them. It's nice to bring in new people who don't have to worry about decades of history to know plus for old time fans we get to see the characters we love in a new light. So I think of JJ's Trek movie as sort of "Ultimate Star Trek." It's just a new take on the franchise and hopefully one that will be fun to watch and enjoy!
greatwazoo42
Master Member
Having seen the bootleg trailer...I've already stopped worrying. I think this is going to be good if not fantastic.
Goodwolf
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Re: JJ AMBRANS Enterprise
Oh FFS... I made it through three pages before I just couldn't take it.
When I was a kid in the early 70's, they would run ST:TOS in syndication every Sat afternoon. I watched it every Sat afternoon. Even when I had seen every episode several times. I loved it just that much. It was the same with BSG, only we couldn't pick up the local ABC affiliate on our antenna so I only got to watch it on the odd chance I was at my grandmother's house, as she had cable.
I loved both of those shows as only a small child can. As an adult I was all up in arms over the BSG reimagining, but after a few episodes and looking at it standing on it's own merits, I really came to enjoy it. Sure, they made changes, but most of them were so it didn't look so dated/retro.
It's the same thing with this ship. I'm sitting here looking at it. Know what? If you showed it to a lot of people with word association results, you'd most likely get USS Enterprise. Show it to a lot of rabid fanboys and you'd get... something like this thread I'd imagine.
This is, from my earliest understandings, always supposed to have been a reimagining. I could be wrong on that since I don't have JJ's number to call him up and verify that, however. As a purported reimagining, I can accept whatever changes they bring to the table as long as things *look* what they are supposed to within reason.
But if you wanna get peevish, ever since The Motion Picture, they haven't exactly been falling over themselves to keep continuity in timeline or Enterprise design anyway. Hell, they blow up the ship every chance they get for the next great redesign.
Blimey...
Oh FFS... I made it through three pages before I just couldn't take it.
When I was a kid in the early 70's, they would run ST:TOS in syndication every Sat afternoon. I watched it every Sat afternoon. Even when I had seen every episode several times. I loved it just that much. It was the same with BSG, only we couldn't pick up the local ABC affiliate on our antenna so I only got to watch it on the odd chance I was at my grandmother's house, as she had cable.
I loved both of those shows as only a small child can. As an adult I was all up in arms over the BSG reimagining, but after a few episodes and looking at it standing on it's own merits, I really came to enjoy it. Sure, they made changes, but most of them were so it didn't look so dated/retro.
It's the same thing with this ship. I'm sitting here looking at it. Know what? If you showed it to a lot of people with word association results, you'd most likely get USS Enterprise. Show it to a lot of rabid fanboys and you'd get... something like this thread I'd imagine.
This is, from my earliest understandings, always supposed to have been a reimagining. I could be wrong on that since I don't have JJ's number to call him up and verify that, however. As a purported reimagining, I can accept whatever changes they bring to the table as long as things *look* what they are supposed to within reason.
But if you wanna get peevish, ever since The Motion Picture, they haven't exactly been falling over themselves to keep continuity in timeline or Enterprise design anyway. Hell, they blow up the ship every chance they get for the next great redesign.
Blimey...
MooMooEgg
Sr Member
I think the Ultimates line is a very good comparison--taking the old and familiar but creating a new twist to it. Plus, if you look at the franchise as a whole, from TNG to DS9 to Voyager to Enterprise, all the shows followed the same general story template, which is probably why ratings went down instead of up--every new iteration was basically more of the same, just with new characters.
So really, if Paramount wants to create a new fanbase and make this successful, they need to mix it up and not create something that will only attract the small, established group of loyalists. I actually think it's smart that they're remixing the TOS characters rather than creating a new Trek movie franchise with brand new or less popular characters... even though there's a stigma of dorkiness attached to them, most people will know "Captain Kirk" and "Spock" if you mention their names. They're iconic characters, and will definitely bring the audience in. Imagine the outrage, disappointment, and screams of "WTF" if the studio decided to make a Voyager or Enterprise movie. Who except for the hardcore fans would go see it? Wouldn't we all be then be screaming for a TOS remake film if something like that happened?
Dammit, the timer on the official site for the new trailer just reset itself for
1D 1H 1M, we have to wait another day for the damn trailer!!!
1D 1H 1M, we have to wait another day for the damn trailer!!!
