James Earl Jones Retires As Vader’s Voice

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Honestly the fact that he's been the voice in all the films thus far is quite a feat. That's a 45 year intermittent job, which isn't a bad deal for a working actor.

At 91 the man has long earned the right to do whatever he likes. As much as I love Vader, let's hope Disney can actually deliver telling stories without having to constantly bring back legacy characters. From what I've heard thus far, Andor has delivered in this regard and I think that's a step in the right direction.
 
Fortunately, he provided a vast, new selection of knock knock jokes and one-liners to flesh-out his voice library.

Darth: what do you call a bear with no teeth?

Obiwan: I dont know?

Darth; A Gummy bear

Obiwan: You were supposed to bring balance to the Force!!!

Also, fourteen different tones saying, "poopee."
 
It seems the author of the Yahoo News article - along with a bunch of other outlets putting out similar splashy headlines - didn't fully read the original Vanity Fair piece the "reporting" is based on...

As that article made clear, this isn't new info; Vanity Fair was simply profiling the behind-the-scenes story of the Ukrainian voice-cloning company responsible for creating 100% of Darth Vader's voice in Obi-Wan Kenobi. Jones provided no recording for that series, serving only in a guidance capacity (as was previously reported months ago). The last time they recorded his voice was for Rise of Skywalker.


It really feels like a lot of the news media has just become lazy parrots; one journalist half-reads a legit article and publishes a misleading story; then everyone else reads the secondary story and publishes their own copycat version, while still referencing the original article they, too, only half-read.
 
We've already long since entered the realm of grave-robbing, what with the CGI resurrection of dead actors, and digital de-aging. Now comes this.

There is a natural order to things. People come and go, as do intellectual properties. Setting aside the fact that Disney already murdered STAR WARS, this latest move just speaks to their pure greed and their desire to continue milking actors and characters long after they're gone.

This is both dystopian and dark side-ish. George Lucas told us to learn to let go of things, remember? Did no one pay attention to the idea that greedily trying to keep people alive beyond their time is unnatural, and a path to the dark side?


The Mouse can continue stripping every last ounce of humanity and decency out of their increasingly soulless and factory-farm "content" output, but they won't be getting a dime from me.
 
We've already long since entered the realm of grave-robbing, what with the CGI resurrection of dead actors, and digital de-aging. Now comes this.
Personally, I don't see this move in and of itself as particularly problematic. Setting aside Obi Wan Kenobi's very real flaws, the 100% digitally-replicated voice in that sounded all-in-all pretty good. It wasn't perfect - words occasionally struck me as a little over-enunciated - but it never took me out of the moment. Ultimately, it felt like I was watching Darth Vader (even if Darth Vader was making some odd decisions).

Regardless of our opinion on whether the character should continue to reappear on screen, it seems like a foregone conclusion. I would therefore propose asking which is least off-putting: this method, or hiring someone else to mimic the voice? The latter has been tried in video games, but none of them really capture Vader to my ear; they sound like an imitation.

I think a key distinction here is that as great as James Earl Jones is, Darth Vader is fundamentally a step removed from the voice actor in several respects. If you got a bunch of people to close their eyes and listen to Jones reading some neutral text as Darth Vader (which, notably, wasn't quite the same tone as his regular speaking voice) in a recording that was subsequently vocally modified and layered in with breathing effects, and the people were then asked to identify the voice, I bet the vast majority would immediately answer "Darth Vader," not "James Earl Jones" - even those who know full-well that Jones provided the base dialog. Contrast that with hearing Harrison Ford speaking as Han Solo or Indiana Jones: I bet a substantially larger percentage would answer "Harrison Ford." That's because Han Solo and Indiana Jones essentially ARE Harrison Ford; Darth Vader is James Earl Jones, yes... but he's also Ben Burtt and David Prowse in pretty equal measure. He's a wonderful amalgamation.
 
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Personally, I don't see this move in and of itself as particularly problematic. Setting aside Obi Wan Kenobi's very real flaws, the 100% digitally-replicated voice in that sounded all-in-all pretty good. It wasn't perfect - words occasionally struck me as a little over-enunciated - but it never took me out of the moment. Ultimately, it felt like I was watching Darth Vader (even if Darth Vader was making some odd decisions).

Regardless of our opinion on whether the character should continue to reappear on screen, it seems like a foregone conclusion. I would therefore propose asking which is least off-putting: this method, or hiring someone else to mimic the voice? The latter has been tried in video games, but none of them really capture Vader to my ear; they sound like an imitation.

I think a key distinction here is that as great as James Earl Jones is, Darth Vader is fundamentally a step removed from the voice actor in several respects. If you got a bunch of people to close their eyes and listen to Jones reading some neutral text as Darth Vader (which, notably, wasn't quite the same tone as his regular speaking voice) in a recording that was subsequently vocally modified and layered in with breathing effects, and the people were then asked to identify the voice, I bet the vast majority would immediately answer "Darth Vader," not "James Earl Jones" - even those who know full-well that Jones provided the base dialog. Contrast that with hearing Harrison Ford speaking as Han Solo or Indiana Jones: I bet a substantially larger percentage would answer "Harrison Ford." That's because Han Solo and Indiana Jones essentially ARE Harrison Ford; Darth Vader is James Earl Jones, yes... but he's also Ben Burtt and David Prowse in pretty equal measure. He's a wonderful amalgamation.

Setting aside actors willfully signing over their voice “likenesses”, it just comes down to respect. Respect for the talent, respect for the craft, respect for history and the passage of time.

Using digital technology to keep actor likenesses and voices “alive” just so The Mouse can continue to nostalgia-milk them is both creepy and sad. Insert the appropriate Skynet/M5, “AI dystopia” reference here.

Despite man’s best efforts, nature is still a thing. The limited nature of life is what makes us appreciate it. STAR WARS used to be a limited thing—just a few movies. Beginning, middle, end. That was what made it special. A constant barrage of STAR WARS would have greatly lessened both its impact and the audience’s hunger for more. Oh, sure, you had the Expanded Universe, but that was its own thing, which you could ignore if desired. Voice actors would be brought in on occasion to play existing characters from the movies, but it was still its own thing.

Now, we continue to be bombarded by an endless glut of “content”, and The Mouse is more than happy to use every technological trick at its disposal to keep the money flowing and to exploit the likenesses (and now the voices) of the original actors.

On the one hand, it’s certainly tempting to be able to tell new stories with those existing characters/actors, freed of the constraints of time and aging, but, on the other hand, it’s unnatural and creepy and exploitive. Nothing can be allowed to end, nothing can be allowed to rest.

Having an actor’s likeness appear in a comic book, or a character performed by a voice actor doing an impression in a video game or radio show is one thing. Creating computer-generated golems is another. And the fact of the matter is that they’re not real. Sure, you can say that cinema is all about the art of illusion, and thus ALL fake, but essentially creating digital “actors” based upon real elements of real people, and who perform by the whims of a corporate committee, drains the art and humanity out of everything.


And I must also point out the hypocrisy of people who lambasted George Lucas for creating CG characters and using digital editing to splice different takes of scenes together, and yet will surely applaud this continued, creepy grave-robbing from The Mouse. Lucas never went so far as to remove the humanity and the artistry from his characters. Despite the accusations of being a control freak which have been lobbied against him, I could never see him using AI to voice a character, or using CG to recreate dead actors. Remember, when Tarkin appeared in ROTS, he was played by an actor in makeup made to resemble Peter Cushing, rather than creating a CG golem.

Recasting is one thing, but this is something else.
 
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The writer also needs to redo their math......NEARLY 40 YEAR....... If only all these computers and smart phones had a calculator on them.....

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Now Wikipedia is getting updated. “On September 23, 2022, he stepped down…NO – that’s just the date the VF article happened to be published.

And yes, both citations link to the same VF article, despite the phrase “James steps down as Darth Vader” appearing nowhere in it, no sign of any other recent JEJ article by VF, and no record of a journalist “Trevor Martino.”


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Granted, the fact that confusion exists is understandable to an extent, since it seemed from the credits that the studio was very much attempting to downplay Respeecher’s role. Jones does voice Vader in Obi-Wan from a certain point of view – the software was programmed using the input of his past dialog recordings. But if his contributions during production amounted, according to the supervising sound editor, to Respeecher “inform[ing] the actor about their plans for Vader and heed[ing] his advice on how to stay on the right course,” then it seems to me they ought to have received more equal billing (regardless of how we feel about the methodology).

But, that’s not neat and tidy, so like Brett Beattie acting as way more than just Gimli’s stunt double in LOTR or Marni Nixon singing in West Side Story and My Fair Lady, I won’t be surprised if Disney continues to give primary credit to Jones and leave the synthetic speech company as a footnote, at least while he's still alive.
 
It seems the author of the Yahoo News article - along with a bunch of other outlets putting out similar splashy headlines - didn't fully read the original Vanity Fair piece the "reporting" is based on...

As that article made clear, this isn't new info; Vanity Fair was simply profiling the behind-the-scenes story of the Ukrainian voice-cloning company responsible for creating 100% of Darth Vader's voice in Obi-Wan Kenobi. Jones provided no recording for that series, serving only in a guidance capacity (as was previously reported months ago). The last time they recorded his voice was for Rise of Skywalker.


It really feels like a lot of the news media has just become lazy parrots; one journalist half-reads a legit article and publishes a misleading story; then everyone else reads the secondary story and publishes their own copycat version, while still referencing the original article they, too, only half-read.
Journalism is dead. Nothing new.
Voice actors get replaced from time to time. And a lot of times the new person imitates the original actor's voice.
Doing this digitally is in my opinion better in this particular case. No other actor has ever sounded anything like James Earl Jones.
 
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