I've been thinking about the BR Blaster

[Serafino]

Now that we have the ability to really nail the BR blaster, I've been thinking it would be awfully nice to have one with all the right proportions, relationships, colors, clean lines, details--with all the STYLE of the original. Especially if the cost wasn't bank-breaking.

Personally I'd be happy with a semi-static prop if it was dead-on accurate. Working triggers would do it for me. My buddy Howard has to have a working bolt so ok, I can see that. You'd probably have to have a working safety at that point too just to be consistent, hmm, then there's the cylinder release too.... :confused

I guess the point is that everyone has their own wishes for custom touches, etc.

So wouldn't it be cool if you could buy individual replica parts, like a steel receiver or frame, truly accurate grips and grip frame, etc.?

Awesome to be able to buy all the parts and build your own replica to suit your own preferences, or buy individual parts to upgrade what you've already got, or buy a replica Steyr receiver to put on your real bulldog but pay maybe $200 for it instead of $1,200 or more for a real one?

If the parts were out there, you could build your own or let a seasoned builder do it for you if you've got more money than time.

Wouldn't it be cool if a group of people with different skills could get together and make it happen, like a co-op? Do it at cost and let people come along for the ride just to fill out the parts orders?

There I go dreaming again... :angel

 

[Sporak]

Hmmmm...Interesting dream...

You mean like the Obi saber, where we could build our own to our tastes?

Repeating you, I know...but it sounds good to me
I'd be all for something like that...

 

[Howard]

Agreed.

The problem I've had in the past with many of the versions of this prop have been with the details.
Clean sharp lines are a must. Receiver engraving requires the sharpness of the original Steyr, and the sharpness must not be lost in casting / painting, if painting is required by the builder. I'd go for a receiver in steel, matching the pictures Karl posted, but without the corrosion.
The grips must look as if they are made for the weapon - and not have a 'fuzzy' boundary where the diamonds finish. Also, as you've established Andres, the grips need to be longer - a new sculpt is required.

Personally I'd like a working bolt, yes. Perhaps 7 working leds - most certainly sprung triggers (not fussed about a working hammer) a safety would be great. If a swing-out cylinder is cost prohibitive I'd be happy to give that up that in favour of a replica which is sharp and proportionally correct, as mentioned above.
Oh, and I love the original's 'On-Off' switch.

We can but dream.

Howard.

 

[Jimbo890]

I'd dig an all metal upgrade for a Charter Arms Bulldog, now that they are back in production, one that, when finished, could still shoot. The kit would need to have a working bolt, and access to the cylinder, and maintain all the function of the original firearm. IMHO.

 

[Pulseriflefan]

may I ask you what you mean with "working bolt" exactly ?

It seems that the bolt on the original prop turns up instead of sliding back like on RAC`s.

 

[franz bolo]

I think that would be great. I'd rather have steel than resin any day..

Accuracy is also something that I don't think most people take seriously enough.

There's kind of close and then theres Really Really close..

FB

 

[Howard]

Pulseriflefan, are you saying that on your original receiver all that's needed to eject the shell and re-load is a 'flip up' of the bolt handle?
Forgive my ignorance of the original weapon. :$

FB - I believe if Serafino has anything to with with this, the part/s will be exact as exact can be, judging by his unrelenting dedication to providing us with pure Obi perfection.

Howard.

 

[Pulseriflefan]

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Pulseriflefan, are you saying that on your original receiver all that's needed to eject the shell and re-load is a 'flip up' of the bolt handle?
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no, the real Steyr bolt slides back as on RAC props - the bolt of the Worldcon prop flips up and doesn`t slide back.
Forgive my ignorance of my english language :$

 

[Howard]

Ah - I see.
There's no problem with your English, BTW.

So this begs the question, should we have screen accuracy or not?
My guess if the weapon were real, then the bolt would slide back to change the quaziunclearpowersupplythingy as Serafino mentioned in another thread.
Or - are we striving for what we know of the prop as it stands today?

What do you guys think?

Howard.

 

[Pulseriflefan]

well, the flip up is more movie accurate but slide back is much cooler

 

[Clutch]

I would say if it flips up, then people are gonna try to pull it back.

 

[Serafino]

The bolt on the prop pulls back part way and is stopped by screw/slot arrangement before it can run into the grip behind it. If the bolt lever moves at all, it makes the most sense to have it work exactly the way it does on the prop.

You don’t have a choice to have it pull back all the way, since that will run it into the grip.

So one thing that’s needed is a design for a bolt which will track smoothly yet precisely in the non-cylindrical space available inside the receiver, without rattling . Either that or the barrel is fake and is cut away for a partly cylindrical bolt. So that’s problem #1.

Perhaps the 'probe' is the end of a guide rod which is all that keeps the bolt oriented correctly while it's working?

 

[Howard]

Oh - I see. Thanks Andres.

I guess our real problem here is how to go about the 'features' of the prop - as known from the guns used to build the prop, Vs how the prop is seen to work in the film.
I realise I'm going over old ground here, but now you've pointed out the bolt movement is restricted by the grip, I'm thinking it would look quite strange - and possibly be a waste of money - to reproduce a feature which on the face of it serves no purpose, other than to perhaps move the probe a fraction and to keep the bolt oriented as you've suggested?
How far back would the bolt retract on the original prop and would it appear to be a design flaw (the grip being in the way) once it was back as far as it could go?
At the moment I'm in favour of a 'flipping up and not back' bolt lever.

Thinking out loud.

Howard.

 

[Serafino]

Howard,

Well how it's seen to work in the film is one thing: triggers and big boom, and lights.

Then there's the hero prop as seen by Karl with restricted bolt action.

I’d guesstimate the bolt moves back about ½" to its stopping point, and 3/4" would run it into the grip.

Trying to make sense out of this design is exactly like analyzing the logic of Star Trek–it’s a waste of time, really. The design is inherently arbitrary and random (Ridley loves to keep the audience guessing). At bottom, the gun makes no sense really, so we can make up whatever we like.

With the lever there I can see why having it move to a degree makes sense, but on the other hand if one just tells people itÂ’s a maintenance lever and if itÂ’s moved the whole gun will fall apart for cleaning maybe that will cover it.

 

[neosporing]

<div class='quotetop'>(Serafino @ Oct 16 2006, 01:31 PM) [snapback]1339153[/snapback]</div>

Howard,

Well how it's seen to work in the film is one thing: triggers and big boom, and lights.

Then there's the hero prop as seen by Karl with restricted bolt action.

I'd guesstimate the bolt moves back about ½" to its stopping point, and 3/4" would run it into the grip.

Trying to make sense out of this design is exactly like analyzing the logic of Star Trek–it's a waste of time, really. The design is inherently arbitrary and random (Ridley loves to keep the audience guessing). At bottom, the gun makes no sense really, so we can make up whatever we like.

With the lever there I can see why having it move to a degree makes sense, but on the other hand if one just tells people it's a maintenance lever and if it's moved the whole gun will fall apart for cleaning maybe that will cover it.
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Whoo hoo guys. This is going to be incredible. I'm looking forward to see what you guys come up with. (put me down on what ever list you guys make.) :thumbsup

 

[Clutch]

Sounds like I may end up with several versions of this darned gun.

 

[Noeland]

As for internals, I developed a system of function based on both the bolt action rifle parts and the revolver parts working together with a touch of fantasy. OK, it's all fantasy but the functions would not be impossible to create either.

The large top port (the steyr bolt action sections) is in fact a loading port, not an ejection port, for caseless rounds. They load into the LED magazine well one at a time. 5 of them. Then, the bolt is closed, and the rounds load backwards into the revolvers cylinder, 5 automatic clicks and the gun is ready to fire, and you can load 5 more caseless rounds into the magazine well again, giving the gun a 10 shot capacity.

The second function for the bolt is to load an explosive round directly into the rotary barrel, which we see Deckard fire at Batty in Sebastions apartment.

You do however also have the option of loading the cylinder by hand with 5 powerful "cased" rounds, which could be used for vehicle engine blocks, blowing the hinges off doors, or just to stop replicant "loaders" like LEON. Big Mofo's...

This is the logic and the mode of function written into our fan film.

Njc---------------------

 

[phase pistol]

<div class='quotetop'>(Serafino @ Oct 16 2006, 02:31 PM) [snapback]1339153[/snapback]</div>

Trying to make sense out of this design is exactly like analyzing the logic of Star Trek–it’s a waste of time, really.
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You cut me to the quick, sir. :sleep

But I guess at the end of the day, ALL of this stuff is just "made up". :lol

- k

 

[Serafino]

Don't get me wrong Karl, I love STtOS, how do you think I know so well how useless it is to analyze it? (and frankly it made more sense than this gun design does... )

 

[phase pistol]

Well that's OK then.

- k