is this realy an original screen used saber?

Discussion in 'Star Wars Costumes and Props' started by judgedredd, Jan 12, 2006.

  1. judgedredd

    judgedredd Sr Member

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  2. OldKen

    OldKen Master Member

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  3. judgedredd

    judgedredd Sr Member

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    surely not it would be a bargain for some real collector :)
     
  4. rigormortis

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    Odd that it's an Obi and it's made from resin. You'd think it'd be rubber for a mis-fire.
     
  5. Lukes Roommate

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    Wow.
    If it is legit, then I guess it would be my Holy Grail of props as that scene was the one where I said "I'd LOVE a model of that saber." thus the seed was laid for my collecting.
    Dang that'd be cool to get....
     
  6. franz bolo

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    This is interesting:

    "We made many pieces for Star Wars, including Luke's new lightsaber for Return of the Jedi. This was hand-turned and milled in our workshop with Ralph McQuarrie and Norman Reynolds in attendance.

    We made six in all, including two very special "gadget" ones which were used in the original opening scenes where Luke is making his new lightsaber under Obi-Wans guidance in his cave.

    Although filmed, these scenes were never used, leaving fans wondering why Luke's saber had suddenly changed. Obviously he lost his in the battle with Darth Vader at the end of Empire Strikes Back, so he modelled his new one on his masters as Jedi apprentices do. We still have these, they are part of our archive."
     
  7. Darth Kahnt

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    You'd think if it was legit it would have surfaced by now.
     
  8. NEKROFANATIC

    NEKROFANATIC Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Its Elstree...Thats legit enough for me
     
  9. Serafino

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    Buyer beware, IMO.

    Admittedly we don't really know much about what went on with the props in the OT, but there's a lot in the description that doesn't entirely mesh with what we HAVE heard.

    I don't follow the Luke ROTJ that closely, but is there any prior evidence that any of the Luke ROTJ props were machined for the movie rather than leftover shared Obi stunts? I suppose by ROTJ LFL wasn't doing things on the cheap, so it makes sense that new props would have been made.

    But in the game of high-priced film props I think it pays to search for integration with known facts.

    Ohhh no no no, if only it were that simple. There's plenty of evidence that people in positions like this are capable of, uh, being mistaken shall we say? ;)
     
  10. TheRealMcFly

    TheRealMcFly Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Thats a resin copy of the Hero. I know some members here have resin copies of the original... I doubt its original.

    The metal one pictured hardly seems accurate, contorl box and pommel cubes are not quite right. Seems strange to hand turn 6 identical sabers from metal, when you could simply resin cast your best.

    I'm not convinced.
     
  11. judgedredd

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    it would be a big gamble to shed £1000 without any form of COA even the one bidder has a private feedback ?

     
  12. tgreco

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    well here's a little food for thought

    the scenes shot (sail barge exteriors and the Sarlaac in ROTJ) where shot in Yuma Arizona, so why make a prop in the UK, just to ship it all the way over to the US when they could easily be cast at the ILM model shop and driven over to Yuma with the rest of the crew, especially if they needed multiples to be shot out of R2s head

    as a matter of fact, the ROTJ creature shop was in CA, and they shipped the masks puppets etc. to the UK (this is documented on the Making of ROTJ doc)

    It doesn't make any sense that this prop would end up in the UK

    I think it's a scam

    and btw, why would Elstree Studios have an ebay ID that uses leet?
     
  13. SithLord

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    It's legit....Norman Reynolds made the sabers for ROTJ. The studio shots were completed at Elstree so the props were made there, just as in the previous films. The FX shots were completed at ILM in CA. Maybe slow motion screen captures might show similiarities....

    :cheers,

    Thomas
     
  14. SithLord

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    If it's resin then yes it's a copy of the hero metal saber. But if it's screen used then it's an original stunt saber from ROTJ.

    And that's what they did for the prequels...made fewer heros and more resin copies...

    :cheers,

    Thomas
     
  15. tgreco

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    I know Jabba's palace was shot at Elstree, and I think the sail barge interiors, but again, the exteriors (and artoo on the deck of the sail barge was definitely an exterior shot) were filmed in Yuma, so again, why ship it to the UK after the Yuma shoot was done?

    If they said it was the saber Luke threw on the floor in the death star, I'd be inclined to buy that, but the R2 launched one...
     
  16. Boba Frett

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    I second that :)
     
  17. Darth Domain

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    Franz, did you actually work on stuff for the movie, if so , what? do you have any keepsakes or photos etc, sorry if this is going of topic, i just think its cool if you worked on stuff for the film
    Mark
     
  18. Darth Domain

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    you can not get more authentic than a COA and a day at Elstree to take photos and be shown around, jesus, let me win the lottery please :love
     
  19. franz bolo

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    Oh No, I got that from the auction description...

    I thought it was interesting info. I put it in quotes, but should have specified a little more.

    Sorry

    FB
     
  20. lonepigeon

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    They are located at Elstree and use the name, but I believe at the time they were called Norank.
    They've sold many pieces in recent years and several supposedly original pieces looked questionable to me. They have sold replicas in the past too (labeled as such, not passed off as originals). Honestly I don't trust them just because of their name.
    I do however think this one looks real. Its a resin stunt cast from the Hero which Norank did make. The thick and thin grip rings match. The props were made in England because that's where most of the movie was made. All the stuff shot in Yuma was after filming wrapped in England so of course they brought most of the props back to CA.
    From the auction desciption it seems one of the UK prop guys was on set in Yuma and saved this one as a souvenir.

    The R2 saber is the only stunt I recall seeing without an emitter hole which always struck me as odd. This saber prop does match it.

    I'd say it's legit.
     
  21. Lord Abaddon

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    If Chris says so, then I sure has hell would believe it. WOW...
     
  22. Sporak

    Sporak Sr Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    It looks real to me...
    Especially being the one shot from R2. (emitter is correct)
    It has the look of, yeah, that's a real one...

    However, the one shown in the case, is Not the one on the table in later shots...that one looks like the R2 saber...

    The one in the case is machined metal, the one on the table, with the icepick or whatever is resin...
     
  23. aliensarchive

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    What does it say under 'secret'???
     
  24. bighowboy

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    I believe the cased ones are the machined "trick" sabers that they have that were used for the deleted saber creation scene. I think he listed those photos to show what the custom case will look like.
     
  25. tgreco

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    the picture of the saber in the case has a tag that says:

    Original Lightsaber Made By NoRank Eng.Co.LTD

    and under that, where he stamped "Secret" on the well lit image is says
    "This is the Actual Hero Lightsaber..." The rest is too blurry to read
    (look at the blue image and zoom)

    [​IMG]
     
  26. lgtsbr

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    I always thought that saber had a graflex clamp instead of a control box...

    gotta dig for pics later

    Dave
     
  27. lonepigeon

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    The two ROTJ stunts with Graflex clamps are leftover ANH Kenobi stunts.
    Norank obviously based their ROTJ design on those.
    The auction one is cast from the ROTJ Hero. The ROTJ Hero and another casting of it have gone on exhibit with Magic of Myth and other displays. The other ROTJ stunt casting that LFL has still has the emitter nub. I'm guessing this stunt probably had the nub cut off so the door on R2's dome could close over it.
     
  28. phase pistol

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    ORIGINAL LIGHTSABER HANDLE MADE BY

    "NORANK Eng. Co. Ltd."

    WHO WERE THE RESIDENT STUDIO WORKMEN
    AT ELSTREE FILM STUDIOS ENGLAND

    THIS IS THE ACTUAL "HERO" LIGHTSABER HELD BY MARK HAMILL AS "LUKE SKYWALKER", COMPLETE WITH SLIDING CONTROL (unreadable) ON THE CONTROL BOX





    [​IMG]
     
  29. tgreco

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    I think the last line is
    "WORKING LED FUNCTIONS ON THE CONTROL BOX"
     
  30. Rogue Studios

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    "4 out of 5 dentist recommend.." but that's all I can make out.
     
  31. Boba Frett

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    :lol :lol
     
  32. foxbatkllr

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    For the record, the ROTJ Sail Barge scenes were not filmed in Yuma, Arizona but in Buttercup Valley, California about 20 minutes away from Yuma.
     
  33. Sporak

    Sporak Sr Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    Well, it's a very cool auction and I saved the pics ;)
     
  34. Hotshot

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    So . . .then he has no sense of Yuma?? (huma?? get it....)
    budum bump ching..
    Seriously, I 'm looking hard at that auction and agree it's very likely the real deal . . .awfully cheap though . . .hmmm
     
  35. NEKROFANATIC

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    awfully cheap...with 9 days to go. 215 hours and 50 minutes will be boring bids here and there...Its the last 10 minutes that are gonna rock.
     
  36. Darth Domain

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    WE have just taken out more of a loan to allow us to get the work completed on our house, i wonder if my other half will notice a couple of grand missing out of the bank :confused
     
  37. p0sitr0nic

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    If that is a casting of the original metal hero, then i have a casting of the hero, the grooves match exactly.
     
  38. Coinprop

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    What about "no posting about live auktions"...
     
  39. Anakin Starkiller

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    Unfortunately people generally feel that they can break that rule at will, and once its done its too late. All too often board members post live auctions of screen used prop because they are too lazy to do their own research to find out if its authentic. I wonder what this might have gone for if the whole board had not been alerted to its presence. :unsure

    Dan Stokes
    DDStokes@aol.com
     
  40. bighowboy

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    Aside from this board, this auction has been discussed elsewhere. I don't think outing this auction here is going to affect the bidding. The price will go high, but not incredibly high as despite this coming from Elstree, there are still some question marks, and ultimately eBay is not the place to go to get crazy money, Profiles would have fetched multiple times what this does on ebay.
     
  41. judgedredd

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    i can assure you i have no intention of bidding on this item i only posted it as it was unusual and i thought the saber people would love it. delete it if you like i dont care either way.
    cheers


     
  42. Treadwell

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    Auction over, returned from storage.
     
  43. TK171

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    Funny, a comic shop in town here.. the owner had a metal "so called" hero saber from ROTJ.. where he said it was in the sceen where it was shot out of R2.

    When I asked where he got it, he said it was quite spendy.. a few hundred bucks at a convention he was at. Was all metal... no coloring and I dont think it had a control box

    looks NOTHING like this one... I knew he got scammed back when I saw it, but didn't say anything. He wouldn't even let me touch it.. haha.
     

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