100% correct.
This pretty well covers the issues with the current state of Star Trek:
Is Star Trek Dying?
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100% correct.
This pretty well covers the issues with the current state of Star Trek:
Lightning
Master Member
SNW is the old trek formula. You might not like it, but they are making a traditional show.
Cephus
Master Member
Don't give them any more bad ideas, they have enough on their own.
I would say your assumptions are correct…it’s “Trek-Lite” and not a very smartly-written or original show, with minimal adherence to canon… it can be considered to be “good” but only when considered against the very low-bar set by Discovery and Picard.
Rather than being on the leading-edge of thoughtful science fiction on television, Star Trek has now reached the stage of vacuous self-parody.
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JPH
Sr Member
It is a statement of fact. Everyone I know who watches it, likes it. Facts *ARE* classy.
Same thing for Firefly and The Expanse, but I wouldn't have kids watch The Expanse.
...and the show got kids into Star Trek!
I like Andor, for instance, but I don't see kids or some adults sitting down to see the repetitive simmer of a story about prisoners assembling parts for The Empire.
but get those same people talking about Dr. Who or Picard and the opinions are enthusiastic and all over the place!
I saw Captain America Brave New World with about 70 people (a friend treated their entire office and friends). No one I spoke to hated it, no one loved it, but everyone *liked* it --another statement of fact.
But if you like or hate something, come up with something other than, "they had a musical" or "it was meh" or "here is a video." You should be able to rattle off a few reasons. Otherwise, it is like a boss trying to deprive an employee of bonus for something *other* than their performance and productivity. I gave reasons why the show works for me and the people around me.
Like Lightning said, "old Trek...a traditional formula."
Wakeem
Sr Member
Really? I hope others here noticed the actor. The shot early on is similar to the performance in Star Trek. It's a really good episode because the actors go against each other like in Star Trek. I had only seen Jack Lord in Dr. No. But he's cool in Hawaii Five-O as McGarrett.
But to give a big spoiler clue.
The best Star Trek villain.
JediG60racer
Sr Member
The best star trek villian... Wesley Crusher????
Didn't this actor also work as the lead on an island show?
Dying? No, it died when they prematurely cancelled Enterprise and wasted money on a brain-dead reboot of TOS where they think it is "cool" to repair a highly sophisticated piece of equipment with a swinging kick.
Star Trek has been dead since then, they just keep digging up the corpse and applying a bit more make up to try and squeeze some cash from those desperately holding onto the memory of what Trek used to be and hoping there will be even a possibility of one or two episodes that can match the quality of what was made under Roddenberry and Berman.
Star Trek has been dead since then, they just keep digging up the corpse and applying a bit more make up to try and squeeze some cash from those desperately holding onto the memory of what Trek used to be and hoping there will be even a possibility of one or two episodes that can match the quality of what was made under Roddenberry and Berman.
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Died in 2005. JJ and Kurtzman has been beating the dead horse ever since.
And their mission statement "quantity over quality" lives on, and on and on and on. Once more with feeling! And on and on!
And their mission statement "quantity over quality" lives on, and on and on and on. Once more with feeling! And on and on!
corranhornjje
Sr Member
I think one of the interns stumbled onto this clip and thought it was an actual episode of TNG…
And thus…
It’s now “Star Trek: The Drama Club Kids”…
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Cephus
Master Member
It's not good, it's just better than the alternatives.
On the plus side, the current stuff made me want to give Voyager another chance and it's actually holding up much better than I remember it being.
mlsmithjr
Well-Known Member
Trek has been dead for decades. It is only on life support for the money. Nobody with a Trek passion has been in charge since Enterprise S4. Discovery was an unmitigated disaster and SNW was our only hope until it wasn't. Even with better writing they can't resist flashy over-produced sets and effects. I mean, Pike has a fireplace in his quarters. Really!? All the surfaces are shiny and nauseating. And Pike, as much as I like Anson Mount, is a wuss. He needs a little Jeffrey Hunter situational anger
But I digress. They need to get writers without agendas, producers who understand Trek, and designers who emphasize function over flash. And Please stop the stupid experimental cringe episodes.
But I digress. They need to get writers without agendas, producers who understand Trek, and designers who emphasize function over flash. And Please stop the stupid experimental cringe episodes.
joberg
Legendary Member
^^Trek has been dead for decades. It is only on life support for the money. Nobody with a Trek passion has been in charge since Enterprise S4. Discovery was an unmitigated disaster and SNW was our only hope until it wasn't. Even with better writing they can't resist flashy over-produced sets and effects. I mean, Pike has a fireplace in his quarters. Really!? All the surfaces are shiny and nauseating. And Pike, as much as I like Anson Mount, is a wuss. He needs a little Jeffrey Hunter situational anger
But I digress. They need to get writers without agendas, producers who understand Trek, and designers who emphasize function over flash. And Please stop the stupid experimental cringe episodes.
That! It seems that people have a tendency to try to re-invent the wheel (find a problem to a solution) and wipe away the entire ST History in one large sweep
CB2001
Master Member
THANK YOU!
Ever since I saw his Star Trek film, I’ve told people it was the worse and but they looked at me like I was nuts, saying, “We got more Star Trek!” (With the last film prior to his was Nemesis, which didn’t do well at the box office). Then when The Force Awakens was announced with him directing, I knew it was going to be bad (and sure enough, it was, being just a genderflipped remake of A New Hope). Yet, again, when I told Star Wars fans that the film was bad, they were like, “We got more Star Wars!” (Last film prior to it being Revenge of the Sith). He took advantage of two desperate fanbases who hadn’t had any Star Trek or Star Wars in years, who were desperate to grab ahold of ANYTHING with the name on it, regardless of quality of the storytelling. I refer to it as The Man in the Desert hypothesis: take a man you know who doesn’t drink any alcohol (swears he wouldn’t touch a drop of it to save his life) and leave him out in the desert for a day or two. Go back to him with a bottle of alcohol of any kind and hold it out to him. He’ll snatch that bottle and guzzle it down without a second thought because he’s desperate for any liquid to drink. THAT is how both films became highly profitable. The desperation is what lead us all here, and he exploited it both times.
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