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Ironman recast please avoid this seller
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RickGreerUK
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Is there any definitive guide here about recasting and the like? As a bit of a newbie, I'd like to read up on it.
I understand that if someone makes their own mould, like the Iron Man Helmets and then sells them, recasting would be ripping off the creator of that Helmet..but didn't they also rip off a licensed Marvel product for their own gain?
What about those who have taken casts of original props, aren't they just recasters? albeit official, I've seen some smallville props in the junkyard that fall under that category. So if someone 'recasted' their product, it would be bad, but if someone else created their own version, 99.9% as accurate as the screen used version, they would be allowed and encouraged to sell??
Please don't flame me, I have no bad intentions, I can't even draw stick men well, let alone figure out how you cast something/have the desire to do so. I'm just a bit confused as to the rules. Thanks
I understand that if someone makes their own mould, like the Iron Man Helmets and then sells them, recasting would be ripping off the creator of that Helmet..but didn't they also rip off a licensed Marvel product for their own gain?
What about those who have taken casts of original props, aren't they just recasters? albeit official, I've seen some smallville props in the junkyard that fall under that category. So if someone 'recasted' their product, it would be bad, but if someone else created their own version, 99.9% as accurate as the screen used version, they would be allowed and encouraged to sell??
Please don't flame me, I have no bad intentions, I can't even draw stick men well, let alone figure out how you cast something/have the desire to do so. I'm just a bit confused as to the rules. Thanks
If this is the guy who sells on eBay and is listed in South Africa - He isn't.
I've been seeing this person's stuff on the bay for years on end.
I always wondered why his listings stated origin South Africa ... while on his member's profile it said UK.
Revisited his eBay, and only now is it changed to South Africa.
Till not long ago (4-6 months) it was UK, which is where I am certain he is located.
He's just playing around with the locations on eBay.
EDIT : Just looked closer. The image on the left is what I was on about. That has only recently been changed to South Africa. BUT, on the inside of the 'shop', it shows the image on the right - UK
Isn't this totally against eBay rules and constitutes fraud ?
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Yep the very same David, i too offered to collect and take back the item, both time's he declined.
David
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Funny that!!! Im only on Grantham so just down the road, but he said he didn't want me to collect for some stupid reason I can't remember now. He had his helmet, part helmet and the bust as buy it now but on the odd occasion he would start at a low price.
Edited my post above.
exoray
Master Member
If you want to go to that extreme, then this community can't exist...
This community governs itself under it's own set of rules for it's membership, not to be confused or suggested that it's a strict following of the written law, it's not...
Screen used and projuction made, are exemptions from the 'recasting' rules of the community...
And in many cases the community flat out ignores recasting certain items, or creates an unwritten clause just because of supply and demand... The entire set of 'recasting' rules are not always followed by the community...
But, what is nearly always followed is to not recast another members work, or recast a licensed production piece... There is a huge gray area in regards to recasting out of production pieces, that is where you will find the community bending the rules, or turning a blind eye, to meet supply and demand, and the person who is doing it also plays a factor on if the community will take notice...
In the end it boils down to an honor among thieves... And if you want to be a good citizen, live by this rule... If you didn't create it yourself, don't cast it without permission from the original artist, unless it's a documented screen used item...
ultron
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I don't think there is a definitive guide, but there is a "spirit of the law" sort of attitude.
Specifically, if your recasting is depriving an original artist or studio of business, that is bad for obvious reasons. But if you're recasting screen-used pieces that are not being released for reproduction, then that's considered okay, since otherwise the community would never have these pieces and nobody was making anything from them anyway.
I don't really see it as that confusing. You can't rip off someone who's not in business anyway and within reasonable belief will not be in the future, but you can rip off someone who's still producing pieces of his own work or may very well in the future. If you're recasting something someone else used to make but isn't any longer, you should ask for the right to do so, since you don't know whether he might again (or just enjoys having his pieces be rare). But Stan Winston never had any intention of selling pieces. So taking screen-used items from their molds and recasting (or 3D printing) is considered kosher. No harm, no foul.
Others may have a different take, so I'll leave it to them to fill in the gaps.
Specifically, if your recasting is depriving an original artist or studio of business, that is bad for obvious reasons. But if you're recasting screen-used pieces that are not being released for reproduction, then that's considered okay, since otherwise the community would never have these pieces and nobody was making anything from them anyway.
I don't really see it as that confusing. You can't rip off someone who's not in business anyway and within reasonable belief will not be in the future, but you can rip off someone who's still producing pieces of his own work or may very well in the future. If you're recasting something someone else used to make but isn't any longer, you should ask for the right to do so, since you don't know whether he might again (or just enjoys having his pieces be rare). But Stan Winston never had any intention of selling pieces. So taking screen-used items from their molds and recasting (or 3D printing) is considered kosher. No harm, no foul.
Others may have a different take, so I'll leave it to them to fill in the gaps.
RickGreerUK
Member
I hear where you guys are coming from. It makes a little more sense, I totally agree with the spirit of what you're saying. If I was as talented as the people on here who make these awesome looking props, I wouldn't want them to be recast either. Now I just need to continue saving so I can buy a full set of Iron Man armour/Batman suit/Power Rangers suit/Studio 60 clock..
Sorry if I went off-topic, at least I know to buy the stuff in the junkyard and not from eBay!
Sorry if I went off-topic, at least I know to buy the stuff in the junkyard and not from eBay!
Hi guys, I am fairly new to this forum, I enjoyed reading this and getting educated a bit. What I don't get is the fuss about the recasting... It is a form of copying, I get that... but how is it different from what guys like FINHEAD, TMP or MASKED RIDER do?
They sculpt their work, but they are not original sculptures. They are copies of other talented artists' work. Artists who came up with the fantastic design that all of us watched on screen.
What is the difference between these guys and recasters?
I bought a very nice ironman helmet from a member on here who recast FINHEAD's mask... in fact, they are partners.
How is that different from what happened to this guy with the sideshow recast?
Would love some clarification,
Thanks guys.
They sculpt their work, but they are not original sculptures. They are copies of other talented artists' work. Artists who came up with the fantastic design that all of us watched on screen.
What is the difference between these guys and recasters?
I bought a very nice ironman helmet from a member on here who recast FINHEAD's mask... in fact, they are partners.
How is that different from what happened to this guy with the sideshow recast?
Would love some clarification,
Thanks guys.
exoray
Master Member
If they are sculpting their own work how are they not original sculptures of said piece?
Yeah they borrowed the image and idea, but they are still did their own interpretation of the piece with their own hands, and created a new piece unique of any other, that is their work...
See above...
ultron
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Kevin has permission explicitly from Clint to do that. As you said, they are partners on some projects. How is this at all confusing? Furthermore, I think Kevin may actually have access to the molds anyway which would mean it's not even a recast. He just has casting rights.
Want to recast? Get permission from the sculptor. Want to reproduce someone else's idea or creation by starting from scratch? Knock yourself out.
Sideshow never authorized anyone to recast and sell production pieces. No authorization, no recasting. Sideshow sells their own pieces, so you are intrinsically undermining their business by providing (nearly - quality is usually not as good on a recast) the same product but for less money because you never had to put the work into really making it.
yeah, I agree recasting takes less talent than sculpting... way less. I just don't understand how the sculptors are any different, as they aren't doing original material.
I agree, sideshow has every right to go after this recaster.... but what stops Marvel from going after the other guys who are making thousands of dollars off their work as well?
Where is the line drawn?
I agree, sideshow has every right to go after this recaster.... but what stops Marvel from going after the other guys who are making thousands of dollars off their work as well?
Where is the line drawn?
Jango Wes
Sr Member
Apples and oranges. Let's say you are unhappy with the current product for a particular movie/comic/whatever. So, you sculpt something that fits what you want it to look like. YOU did the work sculpting and casting. Although it is someone else's idea, it is YOUR work. Then, you sell a few copies on eBay and someone drops your product in silicone, makes copies, and sells it. BAD! Make sense? Same principle applies to then SS Iron Man.
Marvel, DC, and others have issued C&Ds against MANY members, ordering them to stop producing goods which infringe on their copyrights, so yes, they DO go after us.
Wes
coofunkcurly
Sr Member
Correct. We actually made these molds together working side by side. I took over the molds when Fin started working on a new helmet sculpt. Please don't insinuate or speak so matter of factly about something that you know nothing about.
As Jango said not our idea but our sculpts and hard work in both doing the sculpting, molding and casting.
Trust me if you take into account the amount of hours it takes to bring most of this stuff to life. The amount of money/time it takes for material for both sculpting/building as well as molding and casting then packing and shipping , you would be surprised at how little it is actually worth at the end of it all. Then to have some people sympathize with the recasters makes you wanna pack it all in forever.
Absolutely agree with you. Not sympathizing with recasters at all. I was just curious why the companies only go after the people recasting, and not the people sculpting.
I am fully aware of the time and effort that goes into sculpting. It takes skill. Recasting does not take skill.
Just curious why recasting was so taboo, and the sculpts were not.
And for the record, I own both a sideshow ironman ( bought legit from them, not a recast) and a FINHEAD helmet. In person, the finhead looks way better and was a fraction of the price. not to mention it is wearable and the faceplate comes off.
I am fully aware of the time and effort that goes into sculpting. It takes skill. Recasting does not take skill.
Just curious why recasting was so taboo, and the sculpts were not.
And for the record, I own both a sideshow ironman ( bought legit from them, not a recast) and a FINHEAD helmet. In person, the finhead looks way better and was a fraction of the price. not to mention it is wearable and the faceplate comes off.
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