Iron Man 3 (Post-release)

[jmgrice]

My lack of knowledge had nothing to do with how good a movie is. And how did you achieve such information about me not knowing about Marvel Universe. I may not be 100% fluent in the history. But have read plenty of the comics. Where did you get the idea I know nothing?


Or was it the comment how I liked what they did with a DC universe character? Bear in mind were on the subject of Iron Man here. Pretty sure I don't have to know everything about all comics to know this story...You just want every story to follow the original lines. And cry about it when it doesn't go your own way....

I might add that my decision to like a character that used to be 7ft to one that's 5ft means I know nothing how exactly? I'd have thought that that detail along with a strange mask and a leather jacket doesn't automatically mean bad, It's surely to do with the performance and origins. You've picked 3 solely appearance things there that suggest your more bothered about the look then the important traits of a character, such as personality and portrayal. I'm not saying that looks don't matter. But you keep saying worthless statements that have no merit or backing. Or make no sense!

I hope you don't sound as ridiculous to everyone else as you do to me. Or then again maybe I do because perhaps that would mean I'm the one making no sense!

J

 

[Peejfro]

gotta agree with dimebagslash on bane i thought tom hardy was good. and as he said i think the film co are going for beleivable, comic book heroes would be very hard to replicate precisely.
just my opinion guys.

 

[teragon]

And you got to keep in mind that the amount of people knowing about the Mandarin, the comic version, must be insignificant compared to the people not knowing him well or not at all. Hell, I didn't knowing much about him at all, and I'm not your average ignorant movie goer neither... So you were expecting what you read about him, I and thousands and thousands of people expected nothing in particular...

 

[CutThumb]

The "real" reason the Mandarin role was changed so dramatically is all about this; BBC News - Iron Man 3 leads Hollywood's Chinese charge. China is a huge potential market for any film now and no film producers in their right mind are going to alienate a massive portion of the paying population by making the bad guy ethnically stereo typical. If they are shooting this much addition footage and adding characters there was no way on earth the Mandarin was going to remain as he was years ago. The worlds moved on. Our enemies are not the same any more in the real or comic book worlds.
To be honest I applaud what they did in Iron Man 3. Its rare for a film to surprise me but IM3 managed it a couple of times and Shane Black did a bang up job of it. A few things I didn't love, but on the whole it was a great and VERY entertaining film that for once had a third act that was better than its second and was almost as good as it first and thats very rare. It felt fresh, it flew past in more ways than one, its pretty funny in the right places and it has got heart. If they never do another it was a cracking way to finish the series. I can understand why comic fans would hate what they did with the character, but I'm of the opinion ,like a few others here, that the "Mandarins magic" would have been very much at odds with the modern world. Saying that I'm not too keen on human flesh being hot enough to burn through iron armor, but it worked in this film

 

[Rotwang]

I enjoyed it, it did have a few daffy elements and some parts of the story were pretty weak, but RDJ was awesome, and Pepper had some great moments even if she wasn't that present in this film. The armours sucked badly. They suffered the inverse law of superhero teams. Superman can take on just about everybody in his solo books, but as soon as he teams up with the JLA or other teams, their combined powers can barely stop the Joker. Iron Man took on alien war machines, but his new, more advanced armours were taken down by a small army of extremis humans ...

I guess that the BD will have a director's cut that smooths out some of the wrinkles left and right.

Overall it was a good, entertaining flick, not a great one, but fun.

 

[streetjudge79]

My wife won advance screening tickets over the weekend and surprised me yesterday with them. By the time we got there due to heavy traffic and her getting home a bit late from work, there was a really long line already. So we ended up in the very first row to the right. It was hard to watch in 3d sitting there and when the scenes at the beach bar came up, I was trying my best to spot myself in the movie. I wasn't able to find myself as the scenes went pretty fast. I'm standing outside after Rhodey and Stark walk out. I should be off to the right standing by the upper deck railing wearing a Navy blue polo shirt and navy blue pants with sunglasses on. I also was walking on the sidewalk behind the two of them. I'll have to go watch it again with better seats so I can try to find myself .
We really enjoyed the movie, The Mandarin surprised me, never expected that twist. The action was great, Pepper rocked and lots of laughs. I was a bit unhappy that Stark was hardly in any of the suits but didn't detract from the film much. Guy Pearce played a great villain. I'll see it a few more times for sure. I liked that they showed Yinsin in the beginning. Nice nod to the first movie.

 

[hikarub]

I guess that the BD will have a director's cut that smooths out some of the wrinkles left and right.

Not sure about that since very rarely, if at all, has any of the Marvel Phase I movies included a director's cut. No wait, actually none of them have....

But the Blu Ray will definitely include a slew of deleted scenes that might answer a few questions here and there. I can't wait to see them, and whatever special features they might feel like including.

 

[jmgrice]

My wife won advance screening tickets over the weekend and surprised me yesterday with them. By the time we got there due to heavy traffic and her getting home a bit late from work, there was a really long line already. So we ended up in the very first row to the right. It was hard to watch in 3d sitting there and when the scenes at the beach bar came up, I was trying my best to spot myself in the movie. I wasn't able to find myself as the scenes went pretty fast. I'm standing outside after Rhodey and Stark walk out. I should be off to the right standing by the upper deck railing wearing a Navy blue polo shirt and navy blue pants with sunglasses on. I also was walking on the sidewalk behind the two of them. I'll have to go watch it again with better seats so I can try to find myself .
We really enjoyed the movie, The Mandarin surprised me, never expected that twist. The action was great, Pepper rocked and lots of laughs. I was a bit unhappy that Stark was hardly in any of the suits but didn't detract from the film much. Guy Pearce played a great villain. I'll see it a few more times for sure. I liked that they showed Yinsin in the beginning. Nice nod to the first movie.

Glad you liked it, I'm a big believer in 3D quality depending on your viewing angle. If im not in a good position my eyes seem to get confused.

Not sure about that since very rarely, if at all, has any of the Marvel Phase I movies included a director's cut. No wait, actually none of them have....

But the Blu Ray will definitely include a slew of deleted scenes that might answer a few questions here and there. I can't wait to see them, and whatever special features they might feel like including.

Too true. Such a shame also. I enjoy the extra scenes but prefer extended cuts.

J

 

[Yarooon]

Did you stay for the after credit scene?

I did it was hilarious

 

[practicecactus]

You guys bringing up the destruction of the suits and leaving Tony without one, I just want to remind you the whole point of the ending is to imply a new beginning. Like there's gonna be some radical change in direction with the suits or something, especially with the arc reactor out of his chest now. It'll be interesting to see him in Avengers 2 before a 4th solo film, though. Now that I think about it, maybe that's why Joss Whedon was saying "Oh man, how do I follow that?" as if to say "Great, now I gotta take care of Tony's new deal" maybe?
It does seem a shame that this new film does throw away a lot of the stuff that was set up in Favreau's two. Like the Ten Rings diminished to just some costume wear, and after such a sinister terrorist in the first the next logical step would've been to say he was nothing compared to The Mandarin, instead of avoiding offending the asian market altogether by that plot twist.
I really don't care for the Pepper Tony couple thing, I gotta say. Was kinda hoping they would break up, just to throw it into a more interesting story. He has something to fight for now? Ehh.. I'd rather see what other motivations he'd have for being Iron Man rather than a love story for the sake of another cliche superhero ending. Favreau's two handled the 'will they won't they' relationship well, don't get wrong, but I think it's more interesting when characters don't have this "I have to save the world because I love my girl", and instead have to rise above something else. Something personal.

 

[3phase]

OK I thought it was all right but this is what I didn’t like

•Tony can be trapped under tons of concrete and his hand armour can fly off and pull him out buy his human arm. Would have ripped his arm off.
•Pepper has never been in armour and tony can just point to her and the armour jumps on here and she never had any of the implants like tony had put into himself.
•Pepper can then use the armour even never trying it out before
•Tony has always lived in the same house and had parties and reporters there and all of a sudden it takes him to tell everybody his address and all of a sudden they show up.
•His suit can withstand incredible damage falls and hard hits etc but breaks into about 30 pieces when hit by a truck at normal speeds
•Is he iron man now, not really he doesn’t even have to be in a suit any more they just control them self’s
•He had the ark reactor in his chest for so long as he couldn’t live without it and all of a sudden he can just be operated on and they just pull large fragment out of his heart.
•The suits always needed so much power to run IE the ark reactor now he can just recharge them with a car battery with some jumper cables plugged under his chest armour, dumb
•The enemy can totally explode to nothing and then reform but tony can just kill them with a blast from his chest.
•The president cannot use the armour but pepper can
•Tony goes on about protecting Pepper but blows up all his suits so now has nothing to protect her with
•The enemy and Pepper can destroy suits buy just punching thru them but tony can defeat them easy on his own with no suits etc.

 

[Jannix Quinn]

It was alright.

Would have been better if they did away with the fire people and AIM made miniature weapons technology. All the terrorist acts could be done from forms of those, like a flame one, an ice one, and a disintergratoe one etc. Guy Pierce would be the same, but in the end the actor, who know thinks he's Mandarin for real kills him, and Iron Man has to fight him. Mandarin uses the miniature ring weapons. Oh and the AIM guys needed the yellow hazmat suits and iron patriot should vanish. He is boring. Oh, and the paper suits annoyed me.

Good parts are Downey and Paltrow who are awesome. I liked the dark haired girl as well. I was thinking she was the chick from That 70s Show, until later in the film.

 

[mikajedi]

Well...I think the first Iron Man movie is still the best one.
Iron Man 3 is not a bad movie but I am disappointed.

I found some good ideas:
(the association of tony and a 10 years old boy is a nice part, the fact that Tony is under stress and has problems with some armors)


Anyway something was just wrong with some scenes :

this movie is linked with a final scene from Avengers when Tony Stark has a nightmare...
So Where are Iron man avengers friends? when Tony Stark is in trouble?

There's something I don't like about the bad guy, his history and personality are not well developed.
The humor scenes are good but at strange moments, I asked myself sometimes If it was only a comedy...
There's no ''official armor" with a real identity...the new armors are too weak and Tony jump too many times in different models...


I had to Watch it in 3d and regret it!! I paid an extra for nothing...You should Watch it in 2D

So... this is a movie to Watch but not the best and I wish it was darker than this strange comedy...

 

[AGxM]

Not a comic buff, so not going to argue the ins and outs of whether it was true to the comics or not.....but as a spectacle I thought it was pretty mediocre. RDJ is immense as IM, and Ben Kingsley hammed it up to perfection but I thought the story was weak and full of holes, the 'does the suit maketh the man' thing was done badly and although the action scenes were thrilling the whole film failed for me by trying too be all things and delivering none - action, comedy, philosophical? Who knows?

Not sure I will bother seeing again and a disappointment after the Avengers buzz.

 

[jmgrice]

You guys bringing up the destruction of the suits and leaving Tony without one, I just want to remind you the whole point of the ending is to imply a new beginning. Like there's gonna be some radical change in direction with the suits or something, especially with the arc reactor out of his chest now. It'll be interesting to see him in Avengers 2 before a 4th solo film, though. Now that I think about it, maybe that's why Joss Whedon was saying "Oh man, how do I follow that?" as if to say "Great, now I gotta take care of Tony's new deal" maybe?
It does seem a shame that this new film does throw away a lot of the stuff that was set up in Favreau's two. Like the Ten Rings diminished to just some costume wear, and after such a sinister terrorist in the first the next logical step would've been to say he was nothing compared to The Mandarin, instead of avoiding offending the asian market altogether by that plot twist.
I really don't care for the Pepper Tony couple thing, I gotta say. Was kinda hoping they would break up, just to throw it into a more interesting story. He has something to fight for now? Ehh.. I'd rather see what other motivations he'd have for being Iron Man rather than a love story for the sake of another cliche superhero ending. Favreau's two handled the 'will they won't they' relationship well, don't get wrong, but I think it's more interesting when characters don't have this "I have to save the world because I love my girl", and instead have to rise above something else. Something personal.

Its not that I think the end of the suits means the end of iron man. At the end he picks the screwdriver up etc. Its just that the film seemed to close a lot that I liked about tony. If im honest I didnt like the newer suits as much as the mks 2 to 7 anyways. And tonys already done what you said about rise above something else. The first film was about him becoming a better person and realising theres more to life then making money. Plus. There was a terrorist in the first film. I didnt really want another one in the third. I definitely see the point about the 10 rings but again we find ourselves in that magic area. The terrorist in the first film wasnt magic even though he had a ring. And he wasnt that hard. Obidiah was the main bad guy. Tony could have just blown him away but he was already taken care of. Its gotta be hard to come up with realistic bad guys that he cant easily just blow to bits though. Because humans arent that hard and theyve done the suit thing in 3 films now. Just in the 3rd one tony didnt have to fight him.
J

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[Strickler]

I may be talking crazy from sitting in traffic for an hour and a half after the movie. But I enjoyed it for what it was, Entertainment. I didn't grow up reading the comics so I hold no grudge about how the Mandarin was portrayed. End of it for me I enjoyed it and got my monies worth.

 

[Mektar]

I thought the movie was good. However in the order they appeared is also the order i like em from 1 to 3. Prob to do with having too much expectations. While i can agree that the public who isnt well known with the mandarin liked this version there would have been nothing wrong with adding the actual mandarin. not some drunk english actor type lol. First movie we got a terrorist, 2nd movie we got a terrorist so for the third i honestly would have liked somewhat of a super villain this time. I did like it tho but then again that is just what i would have also liked to be in the movie.

The only thing did really upset me was that cinema i went too cut the movie of halfway the credits so dint see the bonus wich i thought was just lame. Guess ill have to look it up now

 

[teragon]

You got some valid points, but those can be explained quite easily :

OK I thought it was all right but this is what I didn’t like
•Pepper can then use the armour even never trying it out before
•Tony has always lived in the same house and had parties and reporters there and all of a sudden it takes him to tell everybody his address and all of a sudden they show up.
•His suit can withstand incredible damage falls and hard hits etc but breaks into about 30 pieces when hit by a truck at normal speeds
•He had the ark reactor in his chest for so long as he couldn’t live without it and all of a sudden he can just be operated on and they just pull large fragment out of his heart.
•The suits always needed so much power to run IE the ark reactor now he can just recharge them with a car battery with some jumper cables plugged under his chest armour, dumb
•The enemy can totally explode to nothing and then reform but tony can just kill them with a blast from his chest.
•The president cannot use the armour but pepper can
•Tony goes on about protecting Pepper but blows up all his suits so now has nothing to protect her with

- Pepper can walk in the armor, which shouldn't be difficult at all, but she can't use it. Noticed how she couldn't control the repulsors ? See, she couldn't really use it, just move in it. With the exception of Pepper blasting Killian at the end, I put that on the extremis treatment she got.
- It's not the address giving that triggered the attack, it's the threat Tony made to the mandarin.
- His previous suits could indeed take a lot damage, but the MK42 is only a prototype that is not combat ready. Jarvis said it. It is purely to test the new assembling method. Therefore it has a tendency to fall apart when taking heavy hits, especially when it's empty.
- that wasn't said in the movie, but it is in the comics : at one point medical science got good enough to remove the shrapnel from Tony's heart without killing him, this wasn't the case before.
- all the suits have integrated batteries, how else do they work on their own ? The arc in Tony's chest must serve as an alternative power source, though I imagine that nearly dying in IM1 after emptying his own arc, he now prefers not to use his own too much.
-extremis soldiers can withstand a lot of things, including severe burns and lost members from explosions nearby them, but once they explode themselves they are dead, disintegrated. That's why they never find explosive devices, there is nothing left. Don't know where you got the idea they can explode and live.
- the president can't use the armor, he's trapped in it while AIM controls it. The only guy that seemed to kinda use it was Killian's henchman in the plane, but even him I'm not sure he knew how to use the weaponry, since he just punched people or shot them with a normal gun.
-He goes on about caring more for her, not exactly protecting her, what she wanted was to spend more time with him. Plus he will make at least one new suits in the future, that's what is implied when he picks up the screwdriver and the two robots in the trailer of the R8 e-tron. He's just not going to spend his all time building 40+ suits on the basement again.

What I can't explain neither is the weakness of the suits other than the mk42. Quantity over quality ?

 

[Davlin]

Really liked the movie. On par with the first one. Loved how Stark was actually heavily hit by the events in Avengers. I've seen a few of the comments here and there's a lot of the raised points that are easy to explain, I think, but that's endless discussions so I'll leave it at that.

Yep, this movie close Tony's personal movies. He sets some stuff straigth. I'm okay with that, because I would hate to see a bad IM movie and there's a lot of other characters to enjoy, like Ant-Man and the Wasp for instance. But it will be cool to see Tony and his Mark 43 ( ? )

What I've found bad :
- Been forced to see the movie in 3D, which brings absolutely nothing if the extra bucks from my pocket to the producer's. I hated having those heavy glasses, making the picture darker, for barely no relief effect. To me, that's plain thief and this drags me away from the theaters.
- Not enought screen time for the armors. Pity. But then the movie would have doubled in lenght. Yeah, the armors getting beaten so "easily" by the Extremis soldiers can be disappointing, but they have not been designed to resist 3000 degrees ennemies, so... I just hope we can get a nice extra feature on the DVD release, or in the art book.

My two cents.

 

[Davlin]

Damn it, I've failed.

Here's some more thoughts :
"- His previous suits could indeed take a lot damage, but the MK42 is only a prototype that is not combat ready. Jarvis said it. It purely to test the new assembling method. Therefor it has a tendency to fall apart when taking heavy hits, especially when it's empty."
Yep, but also it appeared to me to be like a failsafe device : When attacking Pepper, or to avoid the truck to be hit and damaged.

"- that wasn't said in the movie, but it is in the comics : at one point medical science got good enough to remove the shrapnel from Tony's heart without killing him, this wasn't the case before."
It's true in the comics, but that is related to surgery's progresses throught the years ( he got his shrapnel in the Vietnam war if memory serves ). In my opinion, the movie-version of Tony left it there as an intenational scar, or a reminder of some sort. Getting him focused on what made him Iron Man on the first place ( nice Yinsen cameo by the way ). When he made peace with himself, he got the stuff away.
( which does not solve the friggin' question of : Where his heart is, considering how big the Arc reactor was ??? But, comic book movie, all of this. )