ryanmiranda
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Iron Man 3 (Post-release)
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n0regret5
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just got back from seeing it (in 3D, not too bad I must say), I'm kinda torn, to be honest.. I was expecting ben kingsley's mandarin to be much more of a powerful character, but in saying that I was (relatively) pleasantly surprised at his drunken drugged up actor persona. though I admit I was waiting (and waiting, and waiting) for him to suddenly jump up and take control of the situation (like Hans Gruber.. remember him? remember THAT scene?..), but I enjoyed it nonetheless. I guess. its a movie BASED on the comics.. they've never stuck to canon before, why should they now?
had a huge fanboy geek out goosebumps moment when the suits all flew into the dock.
had a huge fanboy geek out goosebumps moment when the suits all flew into the dock.
Well, the movie isn't bad... I really liked it. Maybe end and Mandarin was a little bit dissapointing, but than I remembered that Stark had his heart repaired in comics but because of the strein, he had to put cheast plate back. Maybe something like that is waiting in Avengers 2.
But why would the chest plate do anything to the strain in his heart? I dunno I didn't keep up with the comics.
I don't think Igor was meant to be the hulkbuster...
J
The Iron is turning Box Office Gold. Nearly 200 million .And I think I have just a wee bit of an idea WHY they did what they with the Mandarin. Here's a clue.Iron Man Three broke box office records in Hong Kong,Indonesia,Vietnam, Taiwan, Philippines, Malaysia and Singapore (oh and Argentina). Yet to open in China with the additional , regionally relevant new scenes. Call me a cynic but doing what they did certainly seems to be going down very well with the rest of the world outside of comic fandom. Particularly in the Far East.
Dagibbon
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I really wanted to love the film, but i came out a bit disappointed really. I loved the humour, as Tony's one liners were great, as usual! But I thought there was too much going on and it seemed a little bit disjointed to me. I thought he Manadrin twist was ok, because Kingsley got Trevor spot on! The final battle was my biggest dissapointment. You didn't get to see the suits that well, with the fast camera cuts, and being at night. And I hoped we'd see more of each suit's special ability after all the build up. Hoping when it's released on Blueray, there will be a special feature about all the suits! Destroyin the suits because Pepper thought they were a distraction just didn't seem right to me. Did have terrible seats in the theatre though, so might just have to go see it again! 
Peejfro
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it said at the end tony stark will return, and he says i am still ironman.
hikarub
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Not too familiar with the comic book stories either. I only picked up the Extremis collection because I heard the movie would deal with it somewhat. I know from that collection that Tony used Yinsen's design to build the breastplate with the magnetic fields to keep the shrapnel near his heart at bay, but medical science caught up with him and he was able to have it removed. Didn't stop him tinkering with the Iron Man suit though, and he continued improving and building more advanced versions of the suit.
At the end of the movie, Tony states, "I am Iron Man." which seems to imply (especially since he collects Dummy and You from the what's left of his Malibu home) that though he will devote more time to his relationship with Pepper, he won't stop tinkering with the suit - he'll just stop spending all his time in the garage building a gazillion of them.
At the end of the movie, Tony states, "I am Iron Man." which seems to imply (especially since he collects Dummy and You from the what's left of his Malibu home) that though he will devote more time to his relationship with Pepper, he won't stop tinkering with the suit - he'll just stop spending all his time in the garage building a gazillion of them.
Weapon said in a interview that downeys back for avengers 2 and then it's up to Downey if he returns. And with the line tony Stark will return doesn't mean it's Downey. I hope to god he does do 4th movie.
jimpeachey
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I thought it was an awful film. There was no need to do what they did to the mandarin and it is typical of directors who think it is 'their' film. The mandarin is one of the Marvel universe most powerful and evil villains and Black dismissed him a drug addled alcoholic actor. He could have done that with any other terrorist type character but for some reason decided to show no respect whatsoever for one of the MU most powerful characters, i can only assume that this was to get people in the cinema and collect the money, appalling. I thought RDJ was good as were most of the rest of the cast. Too many armours and too much repetition for my liking, how many more times could stark have fallen into a suit of armour while falling from the sky. Considering that the older armours were never designed to get into from the rear that is quite a feat. Disappointing all round in my opinion but could have been so much better without dissing the comic universe. Just my thoughts of course.
Each to their own. Heres a couple of things that pop in my mind while reading your post.
Clearly your angry.
You dont say how they could have made the Mandarin better.
You say oh they could do that with any terrorist. But I dont get your point. So what? They could do almost anything with any character.
You then complain about respect as though its an insult. And say he gave no respect to the Mandarin to get people into cinemas.
What on earth are you going on about? That sentence makes no sense in the English language. How would those two actions be related?. And how does making the Mandarin a junky get people into the cinema? Seen as though you dont know about it until you watch the film. Im guessing your anger took over your thoughts here and what you actually ment was that he made the Mandarin seem badass to get people in for money. Only then to reveal hes a wimp after taking everyones money. When really its to set up a plot twist. Suggest you look it up.
He CAN do whatever he likes its his job do to it well.
And you know what? So far its working. Its smashing records.
The older armour wasnt designed to walk into. And he doesnt enter the older armour from falling into it. Except walking into the mk vii which from the Avengers movie you can sort of see how it works could lead into that feat.
Lets not forget that Black didnt dismiss the Mandarin as a druggy. He gave him two identities and a dose of extremis. Who then paid someone to pretend to be him. that to me is pretty badass. Your hear Killian say that he was the Mandarin all along or was your dummy already out of the pram?
And then for no reason your on about 'dissing' the MCU. Have you just made up random babble sentences?
Do me a favour. Quit whining. If you dont like something then fine. Say it. And explain why by all means. But dont come with an angry tone ranting nonsense about getting 'dissed' and Shane Black screwing people out of money on purpose. Why on earth would he purposly do that?
What are we? 5?
Rant over.
J
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MattCorneIM
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Why would you read a post release thread? :O So many spoilers!!
Have fun, and enter with an open mind, despite what you've heard here - - - Updated - - -
Why would you read a post release thread? :O So many spoilers!!
Have fun, and enter with an open mind, despite what you've heard here
jimpeachey
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Ok here goes:
I was never angry, too old for that just very disappointed in the way the whole plot was put across.
They could have made the Mandarin better by keeping him as the oriental magician with 10 power rings that he really is and not some made up puppet character. They could have made up any terrorist based character and not used an iconic villain from the comics when there was no need to do so. What part of the Mandarin story was even attempted in this film.
I didn't say that making the Mandarin was a way of getting people into the cinema, at least that's not what i meant. Publicising the Mandarin as the main villain would have attracted people to see the character they wanted to and not the one Black made up. They can have Killian saying whatever they like as part of the script but he isn't the Mandarin.
"Except walking into the mk vii which from the Avengers movie you can sort of see how it works could lead into that feat". would seem to suggest that regardless of what they do in these films you will find some way to justify it because you like the overall film, i didn't like what they did and so said so.
The way the movie was put together shows that Black has no respect for the original material and that he did whatever he wanted in a very loosely Iron man based theme. There is so much material out there that could have been used, been effective and kept to the original story lines without doing this.
It would seem that no matter what he did you would have thought it OK and the fact that it has made so much money already and also has so many barely adequate reviews across the net shows that they achieved what they wanted to, got people into the cinema because that's all that really matters and then disappointed them.
Not 5 either but i have followed the comics for a long time and never quite understand why these directors have to stray so far from material that would make much more enjoyable movies for everybody; not just iron Man but other Marvel character based films too.
I was never angry, too old for that just very disappointed in the way the whole plot was put across.
They could have made the Mandarin better by keeping him as the oriental magician with 10 power rings that he really is and not some made up puppet character. They could have made up any terrorist based character and not used an iconic villain from the comics when there was no need to do so. What part of the Mandarin story was even attempted in this film.
I didn't say that making the Mandarin was a way of getting people into the cinema, at least that's not what i meant. Publicising the Mandarin as the main villain would have attracted people to see the character they wanted to and not the one Black made up. They can have Killian saying whatever they like as part of the script but he isn't the Mandarin.
"Except walking into the mk vii which from the Avengers movie you can sort of see how it works could lead into that feat". would seem to suggest that regardless of what they do in these films you will find some way to justify it because you like the overall film, i didn't like what they did and so said so.
The way the movie was put together shows that Black has no respect for the original material and that he did whatever he wanted in a very loosely Iron man based theme. There is so much material out there that could have been used, been effective and kept to the original story lines without doing this.
It would seem that no matter what he did you would have thought it OK and the fact that it has made so much money already and also has so many barely adequate reviews across the net shows that they achieved what they wanted to, got people into the cinema because that's all that really matters and then disappointed them.
Not 5 either but i have followed the comics for a long time and never quite understand why these directors have to stray so far from material that would make much more enjoyable movies for everybody; not just iron Man but other Marvel character based films too.
jimpeachey
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Ah, i just read all of your other posts here and noticed that you have no idea what the comic stories were about any of the MU characters and seem to be happy with whatever the directors do to the characters. Shame i took your comments about my comments even remotely seriously enough to reply.
If taking Bane from being a near 7 foot muscle bound monster of a villain to a 5 ft 2 inch bloke with a strange mask and a leather jacket is Ok with you then nothing would make you change your mind.
If taking Bane from being a near 7 foot muscle bound monster of a villain to a 5 ft 2 inch bloke with a strange mask and a leather jacket is Ok with you then nothing would make you change your mind.
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The Mandarin was created aaaages ago. A magician with power rings wouldn't be so cool in a film where they try and explain in a real way how things happen. I get it's not real. But it's clever. And a flying magician would suck to be honest. It would go against the element of realism that the movies are trying to achieve. To make it more believable.
Just because theres no need to do something doesn't mean it shouldn't be done anyway.
Publicising the Mandarin as the main villain was a twist. You have no backing to prove that its to skin people out of money. That's an accusation.
He is the Mandarin. Hes just not like he was in the comics. It's not your film, its theirs. And if the story says then that's final. You don't have to like it but there you go.
"Except walking into the mk vii which from the Avengers movie you can sort of see how it works could lead into that feat". would seem to suggest that regardless of what they do in these films you will find some way to justify it because you like the overall film, i didn't like what they did and so said so.
What a load of cobblers. I didn't make up a random way to explain it. I explained that the mk vii has the ability to open up and surround tony. Which seems like a similar feat to what it does in the new film. If something happened in the Avengers that needed Tony to get in quick and he didn't do it in that film. But did it in the new film. Id see what you were on about.
Stop whining about Black having no respect. Its your opinion. Not fact. And an accusation at that. You really think he sat there filming it laughing how he had no respect for the viewers who put the money in his pocket?
I certainly didn't think it was all OK. I didn't like that they took away his chest piece. I didn't like that the movie seems to end Tony's story regardless of the next films. I also didn't like that pepper killed Killian or got extremis(Pepper dying was never going to make me believe she really was, but I think it was about Tony losing everything, or thinking he had). But I felt ok about IM3 because Tony already battered him in the mk 42 blow up so it made me feel a bit better that he did a lot of the work. That surprised look on a characters (Peppers in this case) face when they get powers never sells it to me. Tony did it in a cool way which is probably why hes my favourite. Along with Thor and the Hulk. Where you don't have to see these expressions. Its a little hard to explain. But like when Reynold's Green Lantern was acting all nerded out saying how cool are his powers. For some reason really sticks to my mind. Weird I know.
I'd say it has an astounding amount of reviews. I don't really trust a critic. I trust all the public reviews. And a quick glance at imdb shows that although not a lot of the people gave the film a review. over 30 thousand gave it an 8 out of 10 on average.
People going into the cinema isn't 'All that really matters' though is it? You think they'll be happy with a couple hundred million? You again accuse that they just thought about the money and didn't care about the film. I'm pretty sure that the box office doesn't only count for what they make. Blurays, second viewings, merchandise, airtime etc. All affected by how good the film is. So grow up and stop trying to point the finger just because Shane Black didn't do what you personally wanted. You may have followed the comics for a long time. But this ain't the comics. And these films have to make a lot of money to fund the next ones. So sorry if they're trying to make an interesting story for everyone and not just people who've read the comics since the beginning.
They stray from the original to make it fresh and to make it appeal to modern day audiences. We have CGI and advanced technology nowadays. Magic isn't as impressive in film anymore. Unless its a film about magic.
Move on man.
The Mandarin was created aaaages ago. A magician with power rings wouldn't be so cool in a film where they try and explain in a real way how things happen. I get it's not real. But it's clever. And a flying magician would suck to be honest. It would go against the element of realism that the movies are trying to achieve. To make it more believable.
Just because theres no need to do something doesn't mean it shouldn't be done anyway.
Publicising the Mandarin as the main villain was a twist. You have no backing to prove that its to skin people out of money. That's an accusation.
He is the Mandarin. Hes just not like he was in the comics. It's not your film, its theirs. And if the story says then that's final. You don't have to like it but there you go.
"Except walking into the mk vii which from the Avengers movie you can sort of see how it works could lead into that feat". would seem to suggest that regardless of what they do in these films you will find some way to justify it because you like the overall film, i didn't like what they did and so said so.
What a load of cobblers. I didn't make up a random way to explain it. I explained that the mk vii has the ability to open up and surround tony. Which seems like a similar feat to what it does in the new film. If something happened in the Avengers that needed Tony to get in quick and he didn't do it in that film. But did it in the new film. Id see what you were on about.
Stop whining about Black having no respect. Its your opinion. Not fact. And an accusation at that. You really think he sat there filming it laughing how he had no respect for the viewers who put the money in his pocket?
I certainly didn't think it was all OK. I didn't like that they took away his chest piece. I didn't like that the movie seems to end Tony's story regardless of the next films. I also didn't like that pepper killed Killian or got extremis(Pepper dying was never going to make me believe she really was, but I think it was about Tony losing everything, or thinking he had). But I felt ok about IM3 because Tony already battered him in the mk 42 blow up so it made me feel a bit better that he did a lot of the work. That surprised look on a characters (Peppers in this case) face when they get powers never sells it to me. Tony did it in a cool way which is probably why hes my favourite. Along with Thor and the Hulk. Where you don't have to see these expressions. Its a little hard to explain. But like when Reynold's Green Lantern was acting all nerded out saying how cool are his powers. For some reason really sticks to my mind. Weird I know.
I'd say it has an astounding amount of reviews. I don't really trust a critic. I trust all the public reviews. And a quick glance at imdb shows that although not a lot of the people gave the film a review. over 30 thousand gave it an 8 out of 10 on average.
People going into the cinema isn't 'All that really matters' though is it? You think they'll be happy with a couple hundred million? You again accuse that they just thought about the money and didn't care about the film. I'm pretty sure that the box office doesn't only count for what they make. Blurays, second viewings, merchandise, airtime etc. All affected by how good the film is. So grow up and stop trying to point the finger just because Shane Black didn't do what you personally wanted. You may have followed the comics for a long time. But this ain't the comics. And these films have to make a lot of money to fund the next ones. So sorry if they're trying to make an interesting story for everyone and not just people who've read the comics since the beginning.
They stray from the original to make it fresh and to make it appeal to modern day audiences. We have CGI and advanced technology nowadays. Magic isn't as impressive in film anymore. Unless its a film about magic.
Move on man.
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