HP3 Marauders Map
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TK-2126_MD
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I did it. No time right now, more details tomorrow. I have a LOT of details for you guys.
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Cant wait!!! :love
Couple of teasers in case my flight crashes or anything tomorrow. Can't give a full rundown because I'm typing from the side of the pool at my hotel right now.
Firstly, I misrecalled some details given above. Don't take all that as gospel; fr'instance the paper is longer than I thought in some sections, and I had seam locations wrong.
Secondly, most of the published art is straight from the screen-used map; they just went a bit crazy with tells. Some of the art was altered - one page was shrunk for the published version, another was messed with in an even weirder way, and one page was left out completely, unfortunately.
But most of the smaller differences are relatively trivial, there are just a TON OF THEM. Why so many tells, studio? :cry The locations of several of the folds are off. The black and white grid rectangles around the edge have been redrawn and don't match, ditto for the "MARAVDERE" text, and the grid numbering is the right font but actual numbers and locations are all over the place. The portolan lines on the Forbidden Forest pages are redrawn and the central foldout split was moved.
Lastly, a largeish number of the legends have been rewritten. I even found that the last two or three letters of an original legend have been left in place - after a fold, suggesting that the mod work might have been done analogue rather than digitally? Anyway, I think this might be the element that'll be of the most interest to modifiers; certainly the easiest thing to fix!
I'll post more during the week. I took a heck of a lot of notes. I didn't really attempt to sketch the missing page though; most of it is a kind of crest - beyond my skills to capture it in a worthwhile way, and I'd already tested my wife's patience. I hope this is useful stuff...a $60 licensed map died to bring you this information. :lol
Firstly, I misrecalled some details given above. Don't take all that as gospel; fr'instance the paper is longer than I thought in some sections, and I had seam locations wrong.
Secondly, most of the published art is straight from the screen-used map; they just went a bit crazy with tells. Some of the art was altered - one page was shrunk for the published version, another was messed with in an even weirder way, and one page was left out completely, unfortunately.
But most of the smaller differences are relatively trivial, there are just a TON OF THEM. Why so many tells, studio? :cry The locations of several of the folds are off. The black and white grid rectangles around the edge have been redrawn and don't match, ditto for the "MARAVDERE" text, and the grid numbering is the right font but actual numbers and locations are all over the place. The portolan lines on the Forbidden Forest pages are redrawn and the central foldout split was moved.
Lastly, a largeish number of the legends have been rewritten. I even found that the last two or three letters of an original legend have been left in place - after a fold, suggesting that the mod work might have been done analogue rather than digitally? Anyway, I think this might be the element that'll be of the most interest to modifiers; certainly the easiest thing to fix!
I'll post more during the week. I took a heck of a lot of notes. I didn't really attempt to sketch the missing page though; most of it is a kind of crest - beyond my skills to capture it in a worthwhile way, and I'd already tested my wife's patience. I hope this is useful stuff...a $60 licensed map died to bring you this information. :lol
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TK-2126_MD
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Couple of teasers in case my flight crashes or anything tomorrow. Can't give a full rundown because I'm typing from the side of the pool at my hotel right now.
Firstly, I misrecalled some details given above. Don't take all that as gospel; fr'instance the paper is longer than I thought in some sections, and I had seam locations wrong.
Secondly, most of the published art is straight from the screen-used map; they just went a bit crazy with tells. Some of the art was altered - one page was shrunk for the published version, another was messed with in an even weirder way, and one page was left out completely, unfortunately.
But most of the smaller differences are relatively trivial, there are just a TON OF THEM. Why so many tells, studio? :cry The locations of several of the folds are off. The black and white grid rectangles around the edge have been redrawn and don't match, ditto for the "MARAVDERE" text, and the grid numbering is the right font but actual numbers and locations are all over the place. The portolan lines on the Forbidden Forest pages are redrawn and the central foldout split was moved.
Lastly, a largeish number of the legends have been rewritten. I even found that the last two or three letters of an original legend have been left in place - after a fold, suggesting that the mod work might have been done analogue rather than digitally? Anyway, I think this might be the element that'll be of the most interest to modifiers; certainly the easiest thing to fix!
I'll post more during the week. I took a heck of a lot of notes. I didn't really attempt to sketch the missing page though; most of it is a kind of crest - beyond my skills to capture it in a worthwhile way, and I'd already tested my wife's patience. I hope this is useful stuff...a $60 licensed map died to bring you this information. :lol
:lol wonderful !!!!! great stuff Gracias for doing this. now we will have moremaps to make!!! woo hoo
Cant wait for your notes and pics
love
Pics? Me? Perish the thought! I's an honest customer I is! Besides, they told me that if they caught me up to anything then I'd get detention with Umbridge. :lol
Unfortunately I can't really just scan the map I annotated; there's too much shorthand and my handwriting sucks. I'll need to scan it, Shop it, work up a bunch of excerpts and type up meaningful descriptions and annotations. Before I do that I might as well work in anything I can from other sources. I spent some time freezeframing my blu-ray of PoA last night and confirmed the map in that is very similar to or the same as the one in the exhibit, that gave me a few more items like the locations of the Room of Doom and the Vestibule of Mischief and so on. (I really have to re-read this thread - I know some of this will already have been discussed.)
Unfortunately the map in the behind-the-scenes book appears to be something completely different - one of the later films? But the small one that's included in the other book is interesting. It has many of the same changes as the Noble map, but interestingly it also has some stuff that's direct from the screen-used map and is altered in the Noble map.
I also noted that the Noble map features a lot of artwork that's a close match but *has* been redrawn, e.g. most of the right-hand Turris Magnus page. God knows why they would go to that length, when much of it clearly is direct from the movie map files! There are lines which were words in the original.
I think what I called a 'crest' is possibly a kind of compass rose.
I know this thread's not terribly active any more but on the off-chance - can anyone point me to scenes with the map in later films?
Unfortunately I can't really just scan the map I annotated; there's too much shorthand and my handwriting sucks. I'll need to scan it, Shop it, work up a bunch of excerpts and type up meaningful descriptions and annotations. Before I do that I might as well work in anything I can from other sources. I spent some time freezeframing my blu-ray of PoA last night and confirmed the map in that is very similar to or the same as the one in the exhibit, that gave me a few more items like the locations of the Room of Doom and the Vestibule of Mischief and so on. (I really have to re-read this thread - I know some of this will already have been discussed.)
Unfortunately the map in the behind-the-scenes book appears to be something completely different - one of the later films? But the small one that's included in the other book is interesting. It has many of the same changes as the Noble map, but interestingly it also has some stuff that's direct from the screen-used map and is altered in the Noble map.
I also noted that the Noble map features a lot of artwork that's a close match but *has* been redrawn, e.g. most of the right-hand Turris Magnus page. God knows why they would go to that length, when much of it clearly is direct from the movie map files! There are lines which were words in the original.
I think what I called a 'crest' is possibly a kind of compass rose.
I know this thread's not terribly active any more but on the off-chance - can anyone point me to scenes with the map in later films?
TK-2126_MD
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Lol , no i didnt mean that u had to digitally scan it for us just share with us things that have been eluding us and the differences u have seen thats all
just share with us things that have been eluding us and the differences u have seen thats all
Well actually that's probably about the only way to do it. I might use photos and excerpts of pages rather than full scans for most of this, though. Here's a rough idea of what I'm aiming for; I know most of the differences on the cover are already well understood but I'm not getting enough time right now to really get into this so it's all I have so far.
That thing about Umbridge is what the staff actually warned people entering the exhibit, lol. No pics, or that's what you get. Seemed to have worked as I didn't spot anyone but myself breaching the rule. :love
That thing about Umbridge is what the staff actually warned people entering the exhibit, lol. No pics, or that's what you get. Seemed to have worked as I didn't spot anyone but myself breaching the rule. :love
Aaaaand here are those pics, for what (little) they're worth. I took these after wrapping up my notes; had my camera app running in sleep mode so just snapped away blindly with the tablet still covered by the map. It didn't work terribly well I'm afraid. You can just make out the compass rose pages, they're on the left.
Oh well, for what they're worth. Hoping Nobby might have more and better!
Oh well, for what they're worth. Hoping Nobby might have more and better!
nurmengart
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hey Nwerke,
thanks for posting all the info and pictures.
Looking forward to anything else you noticed.
Did you take any notes regarding the size of the map?
-W
thanks for posting all the info and pictures.
Looking forward to anything else you noticed.
Did you take any notes regarding the size of the map?
-W
TK-2126_MD
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nurmengart
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Totally my pleasure, guys. I'll post more tonight. Monsters 05, yes I did. I just held up my map to the edge of the screen-used one! Same height.
That's really great to know.
Thank you.
Looking forward to more.
also, you mentioned that the actual prop is more aged than the replica.
Do you remember if, in general the colour is at the same tone, just darker?
Because on pictures, the original map seems to be yellowish, compared to the replica....
well, it would be nice to know, I've been playing with ageing some paper to practice, and it seems to get a more brown than a yellowish tone.
I'm using walnut ink cristals, but depending on what you have to say about it.
I'll try adding some yellow ink to the mixture to see how it turns out.
Thanks again, Wesley.
Hi Wesley, any time. I was really pleased to (unexpectedly) get such an opportunity to examine this particular prop!
Yes, definitely more aged. It features much more subtle spotting and blotching - really, there isn't much of that at all compared to the replica. But it is definitely not the same tone - much yellower, you're completely correct on that...according to the book the aging was done with coffee; a light-coloured blend I guess.
Yes, definitely more aged. It features much more subtle spotting and blotching - really, there isn't much of that at all compared to the replica. But it is definitely not the same tone - much yellower, you're completely correct on that...according to the book the aging was done with coffee; a light-coloured blend I guess.
Sorry btw, lotta work in the yard yesterday and today. Fiiiinally here's the next bit. I'll work my way across the map from right to left. My vacation's over tomorrow so this might take another week.
These are leaves R1 and R2 (R for "Right", leaf R0 being the right-hand cover. Arbitrary system that doesn't work for the screen used map but I gotta call 'em something.)
Let me know if anything is confusing!
These are leaves R1 and R2 (R for "Right", leaf R0 being the right-hand cover. Arbitrary system that doesn't work for the screen used map but I gotta call 'em something.)
Let me know if anything is confusing!
Leaves R3 and R4. Again, this is working inwards from the outer leaves of the map. A bit academic in this case because R3 is really R4 on the screen map, and vice-versa!* This is because this whole section is printed upside-down on the Noble replica.
There are other minor differences but nothing big stood out; differences were mainly the boundary decoration stuff - which is incorrect in all areas on the replic. But then again I haven't compared the text/art itself. It could be redrawn as per the previous pages.
*Or more correctly, they're Rx and Ry, since it seems the screen map has more folds than the replica.)
There are other minor differences but nothing big stood out; differences were mainly the boundary decoration stuff - which is incorrect in all areas on the replic. But then again I haven't compared the text/art itself. It could be redrawn as per the previous pages.
*Or more correctly, they're Rx and Ry, since it seems the screen map has more folds than the replica.)
TK-2126_MD
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Nwerke
Dude u deserve a commendation for this!!!!!
So until then, hope this is enough
U ROK!!!!!
Dude u deserve a commendation for this!!!!!
So until then, hope this is enough
U ROK!!!!!
decat
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is this the compass rose page?
jhadha replicated that and the quidditch pitch, as well as the room of requirment page from deathly hallows, which is the one seen in the Page to screen book.
http://www.therpf.com/f64/harry-potter-free-paper-props-all-movies-108986/index285.html#post2314979
really intresting info, btw. I bought the Noble map when I went to the exhibition in sydney.
edit: I was just looking at that pic, and Umbridge, flich and the inqisatorial squad are the footsteps near the room of requirment!
jhadha replicated that and the quidditch pitch, as well as the room of requirment page from deathly hallows, which is the one seen in the Page to screen book.
http://www.therpf.com/f64/harry-potter-free-paper-props-all-movies-108986/index285.html#post2314979
really intresting info, btw. I bought the Noble map when I went to the exhibition in sydney.
edit: I was just looking at that pic, and Umbridge, flich and the inqisatorial squad are the footsteps near the room of requirment!
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Haha, thanks, TK! I'm really glad if this is of use.
decat, yes, that's it. Wow, jhadha did a nice job there; I should not have taken my eyes off the general HP paper props thread. I can see some discrepancies; e.g. the prop map pages are printed in a more faded or red ink than most of the map. The line work seems finer somehow too (than the rest of the prop map I mean - it actually doesn't quite match). Interestingly though the display map is not the DH version, as far as I can tell. I think the compass rose page may be original to the map, with the "Pungent Passage" pages being added for DH? Or I may have it the wrong way around.
Anyway, jhadha has also misssed that the north wall of the passage above the "N" is shown on the prop map. That means his art is too large for the page size - the "N" should only be about halfway up the page. I'll try to cover that stuff in more detail when I get to the left side of the map. In the meantime here are my next two leaves from the Noble map marked up with the differences I could see. Wish the map had been more unfolded!
decat, yes, that's it. Wow, jhadha did a nice job there; I should not have taken my eyes off the general HP paper props thread. I can see some discrepancies; e.g. the prop map pages are printed in a more faded or red ink than most of the map. The line work seems finer somehow too (than the rest of the prop map I mean - it actually doesn't quite match). Interestingly though the display map is not the DH version, as far as I can tell. I think the compass rose page may be original to the map, with the "Pungent Passage" pages being added for DH? Or I may have it the wrong way around.
Anyway, jhadha has also misssed that the north wall of the passage above the "N" is shown on the prop map. That means his art is too large for the page size - the "N" should only be about halfway up the page. I'll try to cover that stuff in more detail when I get to the left side of the map. In the meantime here are my next two leaves from the Noble map marked up with the differences I could see. Wish the map had been more unfolded!
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nurmengart
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Yes, the tracing is finer on the original map.
The compass rose page was actually added only in Half blood prince.
They added those new sections in HP5, but in the order of the phoenix, at least initially, the map had a folding part, which would show the Room of Requirement.
Then, the room of requirement, doesn't appear on the map... so they changed the design for half blood prince, for when Malfoy desappears on the map.
The compass rose page was actually added only in Half blood prince.
They added those new sections in HP5, but in the order of the phoenix, at least initially, the map had a folding part, which would show the Room of Requirement.
Then, the room of requirement, doesn't appear on the map... so they changed the design for half blood prince, for when Malfoy desappears on the map.
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