Han Solo Bust. Resin to Silicone.
- Thread starter AgentofChaos
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Dear Howard S:
First of all, thank you for your kind words regarding my persona. Second, I do not "think" that this helmet is a recast: I KNOW IT because I luckily own a original GH ROTJ.
Third, I do have contacted you in a kindly manner regarding the helmet - no reply from you. Conclusion: Make it public (Propsafe).
Then, only at THIS point (when I made the issue public) u started to get in touch with me. And your style was the same as you are presenting it here in your last post.
And as a final punch in the face u tell me via PM that I am a kind of a parasite who only leeches knowledge, doesn't contribute and uses this forum only to sell stuff (u didn't use the word "parasite" but I'm smart enough to understand what u try to say).
First of all, thank you for your kind words regarding my persona. Second, I do not "think" that this helmet is a recast: I KNOW IT because I luckily own a original GH ROTJ.
Third, I do have contacted you in a kindly manner regarding the helmet - no reply from you. Conclusion: Make it public (Propsafe).
Then, only at THIS point (when I made the issue public) u started to get in touch with me. And your style was the same as you are presenting it here in your last post.
And as a final punch in the face u tell me via PM that I am a kind of a parasite who only leeches knowledge, doesn't contribute and uses this forum only to sell stuff (u didn't use the word "parasite" but I'm smart enough to understand what u try to say).
Really? U know the story behind that?
And @ Howard:
I once bought a resin Proton Pack shell. Half a year later I found out, that the seller was a guy using a sockpuppet account and was banned from GBFANS.
I paid 325 Dollars for this, the customs fees not included.
I sold this thing here for ONLY THE SHIPPING costs (clearly explaining that this was a recast and that I do not have a use for it).
And as for your "friendly" refund offer Howard:
Once that u began to treat me like a POS this distorted resin cast went into the garbage.
Chewie15
Sr Member
Thats it!! Where do we start...
Skynet, You buy a resin casting of a Vader helmet I was selling on ebay over a year ago. You then tell me it is white (which it was in the pictures for the auction), I do not understand why someone would buy something then act as if there was something wrong because the picture was the same as what you received?? There was nothing wrong with the item, it was sold as described! I have 100% perfect feedback, never screwed anyone over?? I mearly said that I sold what was described and that was that, this item was 'sold as is'? How come if this was so bad and a recast... you never left negative feedback?
You then turn around and start a thread about me recasting Vader helmets on some recaster forum (that a friend had directed me to this post). I then defended myself on your forum and even offered a full refund for this helmet, but you declined it and kept it! I have no idea when I offered a refund you refused?
I am extremely pisted off right now because it seems you have issues with me and are trying anything in your power to ruin my name!
I have said it and said it again... I DO NOT SELL VADER HELMETS!! I am a full time sculptor and have bought kits in the past because I collect Star Wars items! If you have any issues with me personally please fell free to call me anytime: 720-366-2000.
I am 100% done with this Vader subject because I know this Skynet has issues with me for some damn reason! Obviously this whole thing happened a year ago and he brings it up on a thread where my sculpture has been recast. You seriously have issues my friend.
And what the hell does this all have to do with proton packs??
I really do not like you!
H
www.howardsstudios.com
Skynet, You buy a resin casting of a Vader helmet I was selling on ebay over a year ago. You then tell me it is white (which it was in the pictures for the auction), I do not understand why someone would buy something then act as if there was something wrong because the picture was the same as what you received?? There was nothing wrong with the item, it was sold as described! I have 100% perfect feedback, never screwed anyone over?? I mearly said that I sold what was described and that was that, this item was 'sold as is'? How come if this was so bad and a recast... you never left negative feedback?
You then turn around and start a thread about me recasting Vader helmets on some recaster forum (that a friend had directed me to this post). I then defended myself on your forum and even offered a full refund for this helmet, but you declined it and kept it! I have no idea when I offered a refund you refused?
I am extremely pisted off right now because it seems you have issues with me and are trying anything in your power to ruin my name!
I have said it and said it again... I DO NOT SELL VADER HELMETS!! I am a full time sculptor and have bought kits in the past because I collect Star Wars items! If you have any issues with me personally please fell free to call me anytime: 720-366-2000.
I am 100% done with this Vader subject because I know this Skynet has issues with me for some damn reason! Obviously this whole thing happened a year ago and he brings it up on a thread where my sculpture has been recast. You seriously have issues my friend.
And what the hell does this all have to do with proton packs??
I really do not like you!
H
www.howardsstudios.com
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Laffo
Sr Member
Don't have too. Dragging this up out of thin air when it should be PMed and baiting another Member like this is bad form.
Laffo.
Charles Kline
Sr Member
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Yep.
This thread is hysterical.
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Yep.
I tell u what this has to do with a proton pack:
U told me via PM that I am more or less...a meaningless person here everyone can well do without because I do not contribute anything here. So, as I can't sculpt as good as u Howard, I have no right to be here, is that what you mean?
Thank's for that.
U told me via PM that I use this board only as my "free ebay" because I have an active thread in the JY. I thought the stuff I had for sale in this thread is better to get in trusted hands (members here) than to someone I do not know on ebay.
From start (my first approach to you, which was done in a kind manner) to now, you treat me like ****, insult me and give me the feeling to be meaningless.
And as for the resin Vader helmet (for a LAST time):
Yes, the helmet was white (was there any issue about the color???). Yes the helmet was made out of resin. Yes all this was stated in the auction text and yes that was the same item which was to be seen in the auction picture.
I recieved the helmet, friendly communication, fast and secure delivery. I opened the box and took a look for damage or major imperfections. Nothing wrong - so I gave positive feedback. Technically there was NOTHING WRONG with it, this wasn't the core issue! Don't try to steer this away.
The helmet was sitting on a shelf for some days when I had the time to inspect it in depth. Suddenly, some features reminded me of another helmet.
And voila: when compared to a GH ROTJ I found out that every millimeter of it matched up to the cast I bought from you.
(I know that u say u got the helmet in a trade!!!)
So was a bit stunned and began to type a short email. I mentioned my observations and I asked you "how can we solve this".
Reaction? - None.
After a few days I recieved an email from you. The content was written in the same way you speak with me NOW.
And after your reaction to my simple question, I decided to make a thread on propsafe.
NOT to ruin your name. NOT because I am after you...but because I just couldn't let this matter to rest as it was.
Howard: Just imagine the following ->
I sell this resin casting on ebay and the only thing I can say is that I got it in trade from an old friend.
Who is the one the people believe? Me, the useless non-contributing prop collector from austria or Howard the pro sculptor who works for companies like Sideshow or Master Replicas?
And THIS is what pisses ME off.
I spent thousands of Euros collecting props (money that flows INTO the community, money that goes to the artists and makers behind the art which is produced here, f.e Lukes Ep. VI reveal saber), I work HARD for a living and for financing my passion and hobby and u treat me like I am the a****hole here from the very beginning.
And people like "Laffo" just give their 2cents even if they don't have ANY knowledge of the story behind it. :sick
Chewie15
Sr Member
Skynet... there really isn't much to this story, is there? I sold a casting of Vader to you as described. You raised hell when you didn't like it and I offered a refund? You then think it's cool calling me out on this thread?
What more can be said here? i really hate being called something I am not... Vaders are a joke to me, there are 20 recasts of them on any given day on ebay (mystery ones and all in the Junkyard a few times a week) and everyone here has something that came from a recasted Vader? Seriously? Dude, I do not have another minute to spend on this subject.
I wish I knew why you had it for me...
H
www.howardsstudios.com
What more can be said here? i really hate being called something I am not... Vaders are a joke to me, there are 20 recasts of them on any given day on ebay (mystery ones and all in the Junkyard a few times a week) and everyone here has something that came from a recasted Vader? Seriously? Dude, I do not have another minute to spend on this subject.
I wish I knew why you had it for me...
H
www.howardsstudios.com
Chewie15
Sr Member
And BTW, I never treated you like an ******* until you went on some recasting forum and accused me of recasting! never a bad feedback on ebay, 600+ positives for a reason!
H
www.howardsstudios.com
H
www.howardsstudios.com
Everything from my side is in my last PM to you Howard. I never accused you directly of recasting.
All I had was a SLUSH CASTED vader helmet in WHITE RESIN and an ebay seller who told me "I offer you a refund because you are too stupid to read item descriptions".
As I saw most of your stuff is slush casted white resin (of course you're not the only one who uses white resin or the process of slush casting).
And after leaving me with this crap and then tell me that all is MY fault not able to read item descriptions...I was the one who was pissed off.
End of story.
Don't try to make it look like you were the friendly guy who offered me a refund and that it was you who tried to solve this in a kindly manner.
I still have all the emails, the PM's and the screengrabs from the auction.
The fact that I am a nobody in prop business or prop collecting doesn't give ANYONE the right to treat me like that...and this is NOTHING about my ego. It's about treating other people.
propologist
Sr Member
Chewie15 , your ackbar was incredible by the way. If I could afford some of them I would surely buy them. Great work all around.
So should I have thrown it away? Shower myself 5 times after touching it because I found out it was a recast (by midwestpropshop)???
I lost almost 300 €. I don't know what the shipping cost was when sending it to a member here( I think 30 Dollars, which is appr. between 20 and 25 €)...but I made NO PROFIT out of it. It was a LOSS all the way.
And what's the problem with the fact that I did openly say that this pack was a recast? Should I shut my mouth about it's maker/origin and try to compensate my loss, ripping off members here???
Laffo
Sr Member
See post #7 of this thread. I saw Howard offer to buy it back.
Past that, start this discussion with Howard elsewhere - had nothing to do with this topic - so it was bad form.
I'm done.
Laffo.
He did offer this back in the day not only in the 7th post of this thread...but I know you don't care because u wasn't the one who felt angry of his behavior.
Quote:
"I'm not eating shipping because you don't know how to read descriptions and know what the hell your buying... that is why I was so damn upset... and then you go around starting threads slamming me! I'm not happy, but at least a damn refund might make you happy!"
What a NICE offer...really...perhaps a damn refund might make me happier.
This was not about a refund or money for me...hell if there was just a thing like "ok, it's a recast, I'm sorry, I did not know that because I'm not into vader helmets" I would have been more than satisfied - no need of a refund. He even had a positive feedback from me on ebay.
If I was after a refund or money I wouldn't have DUMPED the helmet into the garbage container - (NO WAIT! I could have sold it here for only the shipping costs [just as the proton pack] but then you would have came here accusing me of selling a recast intentionally...but hey, as Howard said, there are hundreds of recasted vaders out there, why not giving it away for 20 bucks to someone who desperately want's a helmet but can't afford one for hundreds of dollars?...or am I just naive?)
More and more I think about what the hell I did wrong :cry
EDIT: After all this sour PM conversation with Howard, I apologize here for presenting your name in a bad light regarding recasting. You might think that I am a disturbed guy who goes berserk because of his own incompetence. Ok, perhaps it's my language or due to the fact that I can't express myself in english 100% the way I want since I speak german. I will follow your advice not to buy anything from you again and I hope this is fine for you, same as this apologize here.
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Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Skynet. What the hell is your problem? That response is clearly from AFTER you posted on Propsafe. So far you've only confirmed what Howard has been saying that he got cross with you when you posted recaster accusations. Your posts are childish and baiting and since a refund was offered and you declined you have no ****ing reason to go after Howard now.
And in the future, if you have a beef with another member, take it to pm or contact staff, don't flaunt it out in public. Only an infantile chooses that approach.
And in the future, if you have a beef with another member, take it to pm or contact staff, don't flaunt it out in public. Only an infantile chooses that approach.
PHArchivist
Master Member
Agreed.
anakin
Well-Known Member
Trying to get topic back on track.
So AgentofChaos is saying he's a youngling that found a "good deal" on ebay and went for it. He claims he did not know it was a recast of Howard's work. He bought it and asked the seller of the ebay item if he the seller could cast it in silicone and the seller said no. So AoC comes here and asks the question.
Yes - recasting is wrong, my reply to this thread is not about recasting or the issues between Howard and Skynet. I just feel that somebody who comes to the forum not knowing better and having a reply to his post like the one bellow, is just poor form.
Sure he could have done some homework on this board before the purchase but I didn't. Even I didn't know that Chewie15 was the original artist behind the work ( sorry Howard that the seller is recasting your work, It is a shame that your hard work is being flagrantly taken advantage of). However, I digress. My point is that as a community, should we not take this opportunity to help educate someone like AOC? This thread is already an education for him ( a bit harsh and way off topic now) but I think shooting before aiming and slamming him down because of prop knowledge or lack thereof, is simply not the right approach. This would be a perfect opportunity for someone to simply point him in the right direction on these boards and hopefully the well rounded knowledge and expertise on these boards will help someone new like him to move in the right direction.
AOC - The RPF has a plethora of priceless knowledge. In future I suggest using the search and advanced search functions to find threads/topics that can and will educate you on a particular niche of props i.e Star Wars.... Doing that extra bit of homework will not only open your eye's to the wonderful works here but also show you that there are people who take advantage of other people's hard work for profit and that in B/W is evil!
You made a purchase because of a seemingly good price point - we have all done that. But when it come's to cinematic / television props; coming here to do some research can and hopefully will, save you a lot of grief down the road.
My 2 cents
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So AgentofChaos is saying he's a youngling that found a "good deal" on ebay and went for it. He claims he did not know it was a recast of Howard's work. He bought it and asked the seller of the ebay item if he the seller could cast it in silicone and the seller said no. So AoC comes here and asks the question.
Yes - recasting is wrong, my reply to this thread is not about recasting or the issues between Howard and Skynet. I just feel that somebody who comes to the forum not knowing better and having a reply to his post like the one bellow, is just poor form.
Sure he could have done some homework on this board before the purchase but I didn't. Even I didn't know that Chewie15 was the original artist behind the work ( sorry Howard that the seller is recasting your work, It is a shame that your hard work is being flagrantly taken advantage of). However, I digress. My point is that as a community, should we not take this opportunity to help educate someone like AOC? This thread is already an education for him ( a bit harsh and way off topic now) but I think shooting before aiming and slamming him down because of prop knowledge or lack thereof, is simply not the right approach. This would be a perfect opportunity for someone to simply point him in the right direction on these boards and hopefully the well rounded knowledge and expertise on these boards will help someone new like him to move in the right direction.
AOC - The RPF has a plethora of priceless knowledge. In future I suggest using the search and advanced search functions to find threads/topics that can and will educate you on a particular niche of props i.e Star Wars.... Doing that extra bit of homework will not only open your eye's to the wonderful works here but also show you that there are people who take advantage of other people's hard work for profit and that in B/W is evil!
You made a purchase because of a seemingly good price point - we have all done that. But when it come's to cinematic / television props; coming here to do some research can and hopefully will, save you a lot of grief down the road.
My 2 cents
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