Han Solo Bust. Resin to Silicone.

I'll most likely get some flak from posting this,but I really don't care,as I'm an artist,and I don't want other people stealing my original work!

I know that recasting is wrong on all levels for any reason,so I'll just post this as my personal stance on this subject:

If you're not a licensed studio,or licensee,there's nothing you can do to keep other people from recasting your work legally. There's no right way to do something wrong. When you're part of a community like this,you're very lucky to have other people look out for you! When you're an artist as I am - you don't want your hard work ripped off by anyone no matter what their excuse is. There are forums similar to this one that don't care if someone recasts your work,as most of their members are not licensed vendors.

Look at is this way:

I abide by the rules of the community that I'm a member of. If they get a Cease & Desist order from a licensed company because their members are recasting,or recreating their legally made product,then everyone will look down on you,and give you a black mark. This will keep the community from wanting anything to do with you! When a company no longer makes a product - that doesn't neccessarily mean that it's not still licensed,or illegal to make. This just means that it's no longer available from them.

For reasons unknown to the public some companies will change licensees,usually for quality control issues. But the members here know the legal ramifications for doing it,when they recast a known item that is no longer produced by a company. This doesn't mean that the license has expired,or that the patent on it has either. This only means that it's not in production. The original copyrights owner still owns those rights legally,but you risk that when you recast anyones' work at any time.

When you make an item that doesn't have any of these legal securities,there isn't a lot you can do about it. We respect each other here to not to the same,but this is why there are rules so that the original artist will make money doing this,even if it is illegal. Recasting another members' work or a known item that was produced is still recasting,no matter what anyone says. I don't approve of recasting manufactured items myself,as the original artist,and the company that commsioned him to do it in the first place won't see a single dime of the money all these pirates make stealing their original work. = NO HONOUR AMONG THIEVES is the original saying.

Abraham Lincoln said it best: " It's better to remain silent,and be thought a fool than to open your mouth,and remove all doubt!"

Mercanaries is more of the description of these people on these forums who recast other peoples' items. I know that recasting out of production items is allowed here,as it's a commonly accepted practice. So I can't defend my own personal beliefs against it. I can only defend what others here bring to the table that they made with their own hands.


I stole - I mean,I recast this banner from a member of another forum. I feel this is more than appropriate for the occasion.

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That “Fan_Made” character has several busts for sale on ebay right now.
How effective is the report item feature?
If enough of us report the items his sales will cease.
 
I just asking , just trying to get it straight and back pedal some. I apologize if I offend anyone , as a type A personality I have major problems with people telling me what I can and can't do with something I paid for .
You paid for that piece. You didn't buy the rights to copy it. If you wanted copy rights, the piece will cost more. It's simple logic and common human decency. I understand where you are coming from as I feel the same way about DVD movies - if I buy it, I should bloody well be allowed to play it on my own system... but I can't because of region coding... I however will NEVER be pissed that I can't copy it... but I'll be pissed if the copy protection whatever is causing the movie NOT to play on my legal system. That's ****ing ****ed up!
 
That “Fan_Made” character has several busts for sale on ebay right now.
How effective is the report item feature?
If enough of us report the items his sales will cease.
Not effective at all. eBay will basically ignore you unless you bring to their attention something that is against their rules. The original sculptor or owner of the original masters can sign up to the vero program and nuke any auction wrongfully selling their items... but, if it is copyright items or a trademark piece, you really have no options.
 
Very well said Brasher, I really need to get my friend that is a copyright/patent lawyer to register here. He would have a field day with this topic. ( did someone say lawyer...artists scattering)
 
What could he possibly help with? All he can say is pretty much what we already know... that we are doing illegal stuff. All we are discussing here is how illegal we feel we should allow ourselves to go. Yes, some say there are no steps on illegality - illegal is illegal. Sure... it's all illegal... no one is denying that, but there's a difference between free for all kick you in the groin illegal and the illegal that is currently okay with the movie studios that holds the rights.
 
nothing I'm sure , lawyers are weird about things they enjoy too..lol..but he's not a prop or movie guy , too straight laced.
 
If you bought a piece legally you own it but if you want to resculpt on it or make a copy for yourself to mess around with thats your own business whats the problem there? Didnt anyone ever buy a CD and make a mixed tape (dating myself) for themselves without buying another CD? I feel this whole argument is rediculous, just dont resell it
 
if you bought a piece legally you own it but if you want to resculpt on it or make a copy for yourself to mess around with thats your own business whats the problem there? Didnt anyone ever buy a cd and make a mixed tape (dating myself) for themselves without buying another cd? I feel this whole argument is rediculous, just dont resell it

here we go....
 
There is a certain item in the junk yard which is an openly reworked re cast of a commercially available product from a few years ago. Nobody seems to mind that...(yet)
 
There is a certain item in the junk yard which is an openly reworked re cast of a commercially available product from a few years ago. Nobody seems to mind that...(yet)

< grabbing pitchforks and torches> If it's a recast of a recast of the second cousin removed then it's ok , BUT if chart A and Chart B get together and produce chart C then the army says you can't do it.

cats and dogs sleeping together..game over man , game over man...
 
Before this thread gets completely out of hand, let's just remind ourselves how it started. A young man asked advice on how to approach a creative project. He wanted to learn to make something himself (for his own satisfaction, not for profit) from an item that he believed he had bought legitimately. This community should applaud that. The desire to take an existing object and modify it to create something new is core to much of what happens here. Instead of receiving advice, he's practically been lynched.

He's already stated that he disagrees with recasting, and that he'd approached the seller (in good faith) and asked his permission before considering his project. Let's try not to drive someone away who was willing to learn and to ask for advice and who clearly has the drive to learn techniques which could lead them to become a productive member of this community.
 
Before this thread gets completely out of hand, let's just remind ourselves how it started. A young man asked advice on how to approach a creative project. He wanted to learn to make something himself (for his own satisfaction, not for profit) from an item that he believed he had bought legitimately. This community should applaud that. The desire to take an existing object and modify it to create something new is core to much of what happens here. Instead of receiving advice, he's practically been lynched.

He's already stated that he disagrees with recasting, and that he'd approached the seller (in good faith) and asked his permission before considering his project. Let's try not to drive someone away who was willing to learn and to ask for advice and who clearly has the drive to learn techniques which could lead them to become a productive member of this community.

Agreed. I've seen a lot of pile-ons about recasting over the years, most of them justified to the extent that the offender was called out and his crime was proven but still refused to back down. This particular one I don't believe to be one of those cases that required quite the retaliation against the original poster. He obviously didn't knowingly purchase a recast piece and once it was pointed out he found himself under attack from all directions. I think in this case a little restraint should have been taken. I think it should have and was pointed out, that the original creator was being dissed and losing potential revenue, that this type of behavior is not tolerated, although I have seen other instances over the years where it appeared to be "ok" for some reason. I believe the OP knows the rules now and I doubt we'll see any misbehaving from him from now on.

Edit: I want to clarify to all that my response concerns the original poster and only the original poster.
 
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It is very common for people new to the hobby to not understand the stigma of recasting or the concept of honor amongst thieves.

It is our responsibility as a community to educate new people as to why it is wrong, and how it restricts the flow of new cool items in to the pool.
Even if it is done so one member at a time. I feel it's worth the time investment.

I feel it's only fair to hold them accountable for their actions once they are educated about these concepts. No sense in persecuting the innocent.
Once they know better, yet still defend those type of actions or participate in them, then there is no excuse. They have no place in this hobby and should be shown the door.

As far as this user being so young, I think that is a problem all by itself.
I don't think you should be allowed to have an account here at the rpf if you are under 18 years old (for a thousand reasons).
I also don't think one should be allowed to circumvent that rule by posting under someone else's account, in this case his father's.


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Always sad to see things recasted...should I go on on the GH ROTJ helmet Howard?

PLEASE DO Skynet!!!! I have gone over this with you, you IDIOT!!!! I sold you a helmet I bought as a collector three years before you bought it, you think it was a recast, I offered to buy it back and you kept it!!!!! I do not like to be called a recaster! I have way too much crap going on to recast Vader helmets!!

If ANYONE has ever bought a Vader helmet from me on here, PLEASE come forward!! No one has but you Skynet...I do not sell them!!!

I will still buy that casting back if you'd like to return it you IDIOT!!

H

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