AgentofChaos
Well-Known Member
Are you freaking kidding me? I didnt do anything wrong so dont say s**t like that to me. thats not right. I cant make a freaking life size human bust. Why would I buy one if I can make one? So Back off.
Han Solo Bust. Resin to Silicone.
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AgentofChaos
Well-Known Member
The ebay seller is fan_made. And if you guys say that him being a kid isnt an excuse to buying that bust then thats ridiculous. He had NO CLUE it was a recast and he cant sculpt nor can I.
Maybe I should rephrase. If there is nothing stating that the purchasing of a recast item is looked down upon, then there is no way for a new member to know that this action could cause them trouble. It's obvious from this thread that some people think it is acceptable.
All I'm saying is add it to the Code of Conduct or Registration agreement, then the arguments stated earlier can be avoided to some extent.
All I'm saying is add it to the Code of Conduct or Registration agreement, then the arguments stated earlier can be avoided to some extent.
AgentofChaos
Well-Known Member
well purchasing a recast is wrong. IF you deliberatly know its a recast. That should definatly be added to the code of conduct. If you had no clue then oh well your mistake. everyone makes mistakes. You learn never to buy a bust from an unrealiable source like ebay.
Eopie Herder
Sr Member
To say that Fan_Made had no idea it was recast is crazy. Fan_Made knows very well that he's recasting, he sells those busts all the time. And since Howard sculpted that bust, he also knows that he himself didn't sculpt it. As it has been said, there are other threads about him, and we've all seen him selling multiple casts of that bust, the Luke bust, burnt Anakin (who sculpted that one anyway? Ronculus?) and Old Ben as well as JRX's Emperor bust.
And he's batting a thousand. Way to continue to make friends.
I hope he's not a shill for this eBay guy.
Cyberman
Sr Member
Ur thick aswell are you?? If you can't make it yourself (from scratch) then you need to take lessons or practise doing it yourself and not use other peoples hard work to make your lazy life easier!!! "OR" if you can't afford a silicone head... then tough... grow up, get a job and then buy one.
Don't use other peoples work to cannibalize then take all the credit which is surely your goal...
We don't need people like you on this forum.
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propologist
Sr Member
I do apologize to everyone about this issue . I am not a recaster and don't plan on it . I will support anyone's original artwork.
defstartrooper
Sr Member
Anyone can unknowingly be duped into buying a recast especially if you're fresh to the hobby and don't know who is who, there's nothing wrong with that it happens, best thing to do is hold your hand up admit your mistake, let people know the seller is a recaster and move on.
But the issue here is AgentofChaos you opened this thread to get advise on how to recast a bust you did not sculpt or have permission from the original sculptor to copy.
If you wanted a silicone Solo bust then buy one, commision one or sculpt one.
Or the other option would be to find the original artist and ask if they would give you permission to make a one off copy for yourself and pay them a fee.
But the issue here is AgentofChaos you opened this thread to get advise on how to recast a bust you did not sculpt or have permission from the original sculptor to copy.
If you wanted a silicone Solo bust then buy one, commision one or sculpt one.
Or the other option would be to find the original artist and ask if they would give you permission to make a one off copy for yourself and pay them a fee.
Good point on the intention of this Thread.
It's like saying "I bought this metal lightsaber on Ebay. I don't know who made it, but I want one in resin. Anyone know how I can mold and cast it ?".
How wrong can it be ? You don't take anything that is not an original found real-world part and cast it.
It's like saying "I bought this metal lightsaber on Ebay. I don't know who made it, but I want one in resin. Anyone know how I can mold and cast it ?".
How wrong can it be ? You don't take anything that is not an original found real-world part and cast it.
AgentofChaos
Well-Known Member
I was talking about me. im a kid and didnt know it was a recast.
Really??
Thats pretty respectful. Oh wait! Its not!
I completely agree with you. But i did consult the seller about casting it in silicone. But he's a recaster anyways. This wasnt my evil plan that has to do with money. I asked the seller if i could do it, and of course it was ok because he's a recaster so he doesnt care.
So I Should just wait like 10 instead of getting one. Is there some age where you have to be accepted into prop collecting and replicating?
And when people look at the han solo bust I bought I'll tell them I bought it from ebay and it was recasted from a bust made by howard. Im not gonna take credit. Im not some evil kid. and who would belive me if I told them I made it?
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Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Don't want to turn this into yet another re-casting thread, but it seems I can't help myself.
And it is his interpretation of what the original prop gun looked like. He can sell the individual parts all he wants, but when he sells them combined into the specific prop, he is infringing on copyright or IP laws, but since this whole community is built on infringing on those laws, we set up a different system of morals that we have to follow, so that we won't attract the full wrath of the studios, 'cause, we live by their graces for not coming after us and they let us be if we stay small, because we are beneficial to keeping the love for their product alive, when there aren't any licensed products available of that level of quality and scrutiny.
He knows he's in the wrong and if the studio came and told him to stop, he'd stop. A recaster doesn't care **** and when the studio comes to tell him to stop, he just continues and will eventually bring the full wrath of the studio down on himself AND all the rest of us and gets us all shut down. That's what supporting recasters will lead to - unwanted attention and wrath from the studios, not to mention you kill the original artists' desires to ever share ANYTHING with any of us again. YOU kill the hobby: limiting all new things in the future just to save a few bucks now.
It is not a copy in the recasting sense of the word. It's a reproduction. If you don't know the difference, that's sad. One is no work but molding the piece, the other is recreating the piece with all the original parts used to make the original, or a sculpt interpretation of what the original looks like - it's more work, lots of studying the original, sourcing parts, assembling, sculpting, creating something from nothing but pictures, making something physical that wasn't there before.
No one has any rights here unless they are licensed. The people scratch-building a piece is violating copyright laws or IP rights, but they are not taking someone else's work, molding it and copying it. They are making their own interpretation of that original work, with the original parts (the parts themselves is not owned by the studio, only the finished assembled prop).
I see this often... how people can't seem to distinguish between the all wrongs of the hobby. Everything we do is wrong, unless we are buying licensed props. Everything we build, everything we sculpt, everything we mold and cast and sell is wrong. It is the community which decides what wrongs we accept and which we don't.
We the community draws it!
The first guy isn't recasting. He isn't taking someone else's work, pouring rubber on it to make casts for sale. He is using the all original parts - the same as the prop makers on the movies used, parts that came from other stuff, other companies, or milled pieces themselves and put them together in a specific way.
And it is his interpretation of what the original prop gun looked like. He can sell the individual parts all he wants, but when he sells them combined into the specific prop, he is infringing on copyright or IP laws, but since this whole community is built on infringing on those laws, we set up a different system of morals that we have to follow, so that we won't attract the full wrath of the studios, 'cause, we live by their graces for not coming after us and they let us be if we stay small, because we are beneficial to keeping the love for their product alive, when there aren't any licensed products available of that level of quality and scrutiny.
He knows he's in the wrong and if the studio came and told him to stop, he'd stop. A recaster doesn't care **** and when the studio comes to tell him to stop, he just continues and will eventually bring the full wrath of the studio down on himself AND all the rest of us and gets us all shut down. That's what supporting recasters will lead to - unwanted attention and wrath from the studios, not to mention you kill the original artists' desires to ever share ANYTHING with any of us again. YOU kill the hobby: limiting all new things in the future just to save a few bucks now.
The person who built the prop for the movie doesn't own the prop - the studio does, so why bring up the laborer? He has no control over the piece, as he worked on commission - he worked on something for someone else. He's work for hire. He has no rights. You are not hitting him - except on his personal pride. You are hitting the studio, who own the piece.
It is not a copy in the recasting sense of the word. It's a reproduction. If you don't know the difference, that's sad. One is no work but molding the piece, the other is recreating the piece with all the original parts used to make the original, or a sculpt interpretation of what the original looks like - it's more work, lots of studying the original, sourcing parts, assembling, sculpting, creating something from nothing but pictures, making something physical that wasn't there before.
It IS a crime. It's a crime against the studio, not the original artist who created the prop - that artist doesn't own the piece, the studio does. If the studio had any issues they'd shut you down. If the original fan sculptor of a piece has any issues they have no options to shut you down, because they don't hold a license or own the copyright, so they live by the graces of this community. The COMMUNITY is what sets the rules on what is accepted and what is not. Sure, it's fluid as we all are human. Some want it tighter and more all-encompassing, meaning even cast from screen used will be stopped, others want it loser so cast from screen used is allowed, as it is the absolute most accurate representation of the piece as seen on screen - all the way down to paint flaws and dents and cracks and damage. Again others want a free for all where everyone can do as they please... but... you are simply killing the hobby and people's desires to offer anything if you allow the free for all to win.
Not the same thing. Someone photocopying those paper props and selling cheaply printed versions from their home printer is the same.
No one has any rights here unless they are licensed. The people scratch-building a piece is violating copyright laws or IP rights, but they are not taking someone else's work, molding it and copying it. They are making their own interpretation of that original work, with the original parts (the parts themselves is not owned by the studio, only the finished assembled prop).
I see this often... how people can't seem to distinguish between the all wrongs of the hobby. Everything we do is wrong, unless we are buying licensed props. Everything we build, everything we sculpt, everything we mold and cast and sell is wrong. It is the community which decides what wrongs we accept and which we don't.
Eopie Herder
Sr Member
That wasn't how the post was worded. It sounded as if you were talking about him and yourself.
AgentofChaos
Well-Known Member
sorry. The only thing that had to do with him was his name. everything else was about me.
defstartrooper
Sr Member
No foul on your part then, you assumed the seller was the original sculptor and not just a reseller.
You're just one more person to be sucked in by lies and deception, i'm sure there's not one person here who that hasn't happened to at some point in their life. :thumbsup
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
To the original poster... don't use your dad's account. Wait until you can register with your own account. Also, if you can afford molding and casting materials you can afford an original.
If this sounds wrong to you, then I don't see you having much of a future here. You're not talking about the odd replacement part here... you are talking about a full piece. Your thoughts on this is not only slapping the guy who made the original piece available in the face... you are absolutely KILLING his desire to ever create anything for sale ever again to ANYONE. But you wouldn't care, 'cause you got your battle droid army, so **** everyone else, right? That's basically what you are saying.
propologist
Sr Member
so..if I bought a battle droid and ASKED the guy who created it if i could cast 9 others for personal use and he said yes , that would be OK ?? correct
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
If he said yes, sure. His creation, his choice. He may not hold the rights to the likeness, but he damn well created it himself. If it was a cast off screen used... he damn well was the one risking destroying the original to offer you a chance to own a copy. If you don't like his prices, go buy an original and make copies off of that yourself and see how nerve-wracking that is and see how cheap YOU would sell copies off of that effort.
If he says no and you still do it... well... no respect from me.
propologist
Sr Member
I just asking , just trying to get it straight and back pedal some. I apologize if I offend anyone , as a type A personality I have major problems with people telling me what I can and can't do with something I paid for .
But I understand the problem and I will help support it anyway I can. For record I am planning to build my own 1:1 battle droid hopefully , but want to do a lego one first..lol
But I understand the problem and I will help support it anyway I can. For record I am planning to build my own 1:1 battle droid hopefully , but want to do a lego one first..lol
