HAL 9000 from 2001: a space odyssey

Would the height of the monolith almost make it theatrical poster size? That kind of limits where you can display the thing if it's that large.

Surely the battery power can be those flat nicam batteries like used on PC motherboards?

People with real lenses can punch a hole through their wall :D
 
Originally posted by turok96+Mar 17 2006, 03:21 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(turok96 @ Mar 17 2006, 03:21 AM)</div>
One quick question from me is by how much is .16x fish eye lens from .15x fish eye lens in diameter wise? Can one still use a .15x and get away with it, or does it have to be the precise one.[/b]
I really have no idea. I'm not even sure which one mine is. :p Can the other Kenko owners chime in on this question?

Regardless, there are other brands and models of fisheye lenses designed for both video and still cameras, and all it would take is a custom aluminum mounting ring to swap them out. I would consider doing them on a custom-order basis, but for one or two parts, the cost (design and machining) would be potentially as high or higher than the entire replica.

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@Mar 17 2006, 04:46 AM
Would there be the option of simply the panel / lens and LED / battery clip? I'm not sure I'm really interested in the whole motion sensing, ample playing package, as nice as I'm sure it will be.
I'm simply looking for more a display item.
Good question - I haven't decided that yet, but I haven't ruled it out. Obviously, the more electronic kits I order, the less expensive they will be for everyone. I'm really shooting for the "Mother of all HAL Replicas" here, and it will naturally cater to higher-end collectors. When I start an interest list, I'll gauge demand for an "LED only" version and see what quantities we're talking about. And before anyone asks, no, I will not be offering static resin versions for $25. I'll let the inevitable recasters on eBay fill that gap in demand... :p (unless a talented and reputable resin molder wants to work with me and offer kits :love).

Originally posted by temponaut+Mar 17 2006, 07:59 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(temponaut @ Mar 17 2006, 07:59 AM)</div>
If I may toss out an alternative direction for consideration: What about a display that replicates the look of one of the real HAL panels?  For example, something like this:

HAL-display-01.jpg


Or even this (sorry about the image quality; it's the HAL panel on the pod bay test bench):

HAL-display-03.jpg


The display screens around HAL could be simple lighted transparancies.  They wouldn't alternate, of course, but I think they'd still look pretty cool.  Collectors could choose among various transparancies and maybe even switch them out from time to time for variety.  (I'm partial to the antenna display myself, as well as to the Discovery silhouette (not shown here), and various three-letter combinations: COM, HIB, NAV, etc.)

Of course, this sort of approach would result in a more expensive display, and also the need for a power source other than a couple of penlight batteries.  And now, having proposed this idea, it's become clear to me that keeping down the cost and need for power were two of your objectives in designing the display the way you did.   :$[/b]
While I like your idea, I'm afraid it's not practical given the console's sheer size alone. :( The Monolith I intend to offer is already movie-poster size, and shipping will be high as a result. Doubling the size to your concept would simply be too cost-prohibitive. Hypothetically, if down the road I wish to offer a display upgrade package, your idea would be the one I adopt. :) Of course, once you have the panel you can do a custom display of your choosing, and in fact I would encourage everyone to experiment with their display.

An IR remote control is a great idea for those who want to mount the display flush in the wall. As you wrote, this obviates the need to flip switches on the sides or the rear of the display.  But, in the case of a flush-mounted panel, what would you do about changing the batteries (in your diagram, they look like Duracells :D) mounted on the upper reverse side of HAL's faceplate?
I've been actually considering that, and depending on the demand for a flush-mounted wall panel version, I may offer a stamped sheetmetal backplate that screws into the wall (or is set into it with plaster or other filler material) and holds the panel in place using 4 rare-earth magnets mounted on plastic or aluminum bosses. :)

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@Mar 17 2006, 08:19 AM
Surely the battery power can be those flat nicam batteries like used on PC motherboards?
Sure, and a flat piezoelectric speaker too, but Ni-Cad rechargable batteries will require a charger, and up goes the price again... While I want to go high-tech on the functionality, I need to keep costs down for the collector. Besides, no matter how miniaturized we get, there's simply no space between the panel and the wall for ANYTHING - unless you make the panel walls deep and say bye-bye to screen accuracy, and I'm not going to do that. So without some space bewteen the panel and the wall, like with my solution, you'd still need to punch a hole in the wall, Kenko or no Kenko. :)

- Gabe
 
Actually I think the HAL-podbay-console idea has some real merit. :D

HAL-podbayconsole.jpg


Just the central square hooded section.

2001-halconsolepodbay.jpg


Smaller than the "movie poster monolith"... and functional looking too. You could even re-design it slightly to have some lit buttons next to it, for controlling HAL functions. :D

Another possibiliity would be the same SIZE as Gabe's "monolith poster" display, but could have the outlined boxes and maybe a bank of backlit clear-plastic memory modules. A new design but reminiscent of the Brain Room set:

HAL-brainroom-rectified.jpg


I do like the monolith CONCEPT tho... especially in black plexi, to look like a console on Discovery.

- K
 
Karl, I like your ideas, and I even considered the backlit acrylic memory modules, but now we're talking MUCH more expensive and complex, and I'd rather leave the custom display mods to individual collectors. Not everybody will want the pod bay monitor display, and unless I'd offer several slides, that one blue one will get old very quickly... The Monolith concept is both generic enough and customizable enough to suit most people's needs. It both isolates the panel from its contemporary surroundings and is 100% recognizable and in and of itself a 2001 prop replica. :D

And remember, guys: it's just a 5-sided plexi box - anyone can have one custom-made at a plastic store with cutouts for screens, buttons, brain chips, wolf nipple chips, and what have you. :p

- Gabe
 
Originally posted by Prop Runner@Mar 17 2006, 03:35 PM
And remember, guys: it's just a 5-sided plexi box - anyone can have one custom-made at a plastic store with cutouts for screens, buttons, brain chips, wolf nipple chips, and what have you.  :p

- Gabe
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That's what I am thinking, if a monolith-type box is wanted by some, that's fine, but I'm more interested in the HAL panel with the sound by itself- the case can be added later. Hehehe getting just the base panel together with sound will be work enough. :)
 
just an idea here, but I think one that may make everyone happy...

why not ship the acrylic pieces cut for the monolith but have a knockout
are where HAL is installed instead of a hole, but include templates
for the folks who want to trim it to match the pod bay mount, or even the
brain room mount (by brain room mount, I mean the smaller black panel,
they want clear acrylic backlit chips they're on their own)...
and they're all black and semi glossy...

that way a single display can accomodate everybody, regardless of the
amount of display room they have

the brain room flat black panel seems about the same width as the monilith
just shorter (so some pieces require trimming)

the pod bay door console looks the same as the brain room panel just
turned sideways, and HAL mounted off to the right (and a console area cut out)

and I'm sure most folks here can figure out how to cut and glue things... and
if they want to cut out the console screen or back light it, whatever...
but it suits everybody, and it's not going to jack up the price for the folks
who want the monolith display... and it keeps Gabe from having to hunt down
all this stuff. plus, for the folks who do want to punch a hole in there wall,
the don't have to worry about damaging the prop when they remove it...

I'd be happy to help with the templates

just a thought
 
So wouldn't the logical decision be to just make a seperate back section for the Hal panel that is deep enough to contain a real lense and any electronics. This way shipping costs are to a minimum, it can be displayed on a shelf as the back acts as a stand or fitted into any other box representing a monolith or computer. The width of the back can be made proportional to a monolith and coloured black with 2001 printed on it.
 
Originally posted by Prop Runner@Mar 17 2006, 03:35 PM
And remember, guys: it's just a 5-sided plexi box - anyone can have one custom-made at a plastic store with cutouts for screens, buttons, brain chips, wolf nipple chips, and what have you.  :p
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What's that about nipple clips? :confused
 
Originally posted by phase pistol+Mar 17 2006, 06:13 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phase pistol @ Mar 17 2006, 06:13 PM)</div>
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And remember, guys: it's just a 5-sided plexi box - anyone can have one custom-made at a plastic store with cutouts for screens, buttons, brain chips, wolf nipple chips, and what have you.  :p
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What's that about nipple clips? :confused
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LOL.. :lol :lol
 
Get 'em while they're hot. :D

I see it's going ot be difficult to reach a consensus on the display and mounting solution, so I think I'll just wait until the interest thread to gauge preferences and pick a winner. But I have to say that many people privately tell me they love the Monolith idea... :)

- Gabe
 
Oh I like the monolith idea as well but I'm actually looking at mounting the piece into my wall more than in a monolith.... hehehe and don't worry I do have a wall deep enough ;)
 
Hi guys... whoa LONG time no post. I think the last time I posted was while we were hosted on prop-planet maybe...

Anyway, I heavily contributed to the original HAL thread - and bought a Kenko 180 around that time, but never finished my HAL.

Now, a project has come up in Uni and I thought it'd be amazingly cool if I based it on HAL... so onto the RPF I come, only to find this massive thread already started..

Creepy or what?

For my project, behind the replcia faceplate will sit a computer running a hacked version of the "Home Automated Living" software - HAL 2000. It's got voice recognition & can interact in much the same way HAL 9000 does.

I think what we must first address is the issue of the "screen used" faceplate (the one with the worn 'HAL 9000' logo). From what I concluded in '04, I think this wasn't actually screen used - but instead most likely built as a prototype. As everyone's pointed out, the speaker section is far shorter than any screen-caps.

So, as far as the actual dimensions of the faceplate, I don't think this is a good source of reference. It IS an incredibly good source for the HAL graphic, the materials used, and the dimensions of the metal ring around the eye.

A few posts back, someone pointed out that they think their Kenko lense is too small. It's not, I worked out that the original HAL model is a lot smaller than what people believe it to be. It was discussed & pretty much concluded on the old thread.

As far as the faceplate it's self, it'd be good if we could get some sizes worked out. Somehow in my head, I've got it that the aluminium trim around the perimiter is 3mm wide. I can't remember how I worked this out, or where I got it from - but can someone confirm/deny this?

I'm just getting to grips with Autocad, so I'm going to take a set of calipers to my lense, and use that as a basis for scaling everything around it. Hopefully what I get won't be far from what everyone else is getting.

I'm so excited that this project is finally back on track. It's been on the backburner for about 10 years.

My final Uni assessment is in 7 weeks time, so hopefully I'll get something presentable by then.

Thanks everyone. Glad to be back on the forum.
-James
 
First, welcome back James. :)

Originally posted by Scottish Film Maker@Mar 18 2006, 08:36 AM
For my project, behind the replcia faceplate will sit a computer running a hacked version of the "Home Automated Living" software - HAL 2000.  It's got voice recognition & can interact in much the same way HAL 9000 does.
Sounds ambitious - do you have a link to any project information websites?

I think what we must first address is the issue of the "screen used" faceplate (the one with the worn 'HAL 9000' logo).  From what I concluded in '04, I think this wasn't actually screen used - but instead most likely built as a prototype.  As everyone's pointed out, the speaker section is far shorter than any screen-caps.
I agree, which is why my design is based on screen caps and physical measurements. :)

A few posts back, someone pointed out that they think their Kenko lense is too small.  It's not, I worked out that the original HAL model is a lot smaller than what people believe it to be.  It was discussed & pretty much concluded on the old thread.
That was my initial reaction, based on the dimensions of previous HAL panel replicas. But if we take as fact that the Kenko is indeed *THE* lens used on the screen-used panels, my new design ends up very nicely proportioned and scaled. :)

As far as the faceplate it's self, it'd be good if we could get some sizes worked out.  Somehow in my head, I've got it that the aluminium trim around the perimiter is 3mm wide.  I can't remember how I worked this out, or where I got it from - but can someone confirm/deny this?
Great minds...

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:D

I'm just getting to grips with Autocad, so I'm going to take a set of calipers to my lense, and use that as a basis for scaling everything around it.  Hopefully what I get won't be far from what everyone else is getting.
That's exactly what I did. :D Unless you want to wait for this replica, good luck with yours.

My final Uni assessment is in 7 weeks time, so hopefully I'll get something presentable by then.
Unfortunately I can tell you right now that it will take longer than that to complete the R&D, prototyping, quotation process, and production unless somebody steps up to underwrite expedited machining and tooling. I'm hoping to secure an investor once the prototype is complete and I have a production quote, but not in a 7-week timeframe... :unsure

- Gabe
 
By the way, I found this site pretty funny - a really talented voice-over actor named Wally Fields totally NAILS Douglas Rains' HAL voice:

http://www.wallys.com/year_2001_compliant/..._hal_sounds.htm

In the hilarious link below, Wally has a conversation with himself as Dr. Smith from Lost in Space and HAL. What's cool is that he added the Discovery's environmental hum in the background, and it sounds bloody fantastic. :eek

http://www.wallys.com/archives/smith.mp3

So I'm REALLY torn between the isolated HAL voice and the screen-accurate sound of HAL's voice. I think I'd like to design the circuit with an option of both isolated and with ship's hum. Question is, will I need duplicate files with and without the hum, or can I run the hum through the same speaker on a separate track?

- Gabe
 
That's actually sound from the Space Pod sequence where Dave is going after Poole.

whk-KONGGG.

whk-KONGGG.

whk-KONGGG.

DEET DEET DEET DEET DEET.

:D

- k (LIFE FUNCTIONS TERMINATED)
 
Originally posted by phase pistol@Mar 18 2006, 02:51 PM
That's actually sound from the Space Pod sequence where Dave is going after Poole.

whk-KONGGG.

whk-KONGGG.

whk-KONGGG.

DEET DEET DEET DEET DEET.

:D

- k (LIFE FUNCTIONS TERMINATED)
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Karl, is that how the sound actually appears in the script, or only in your rich phonetic imagination? :lol
 
Originally posted by Prop Runner@Mar 19 2006, 06:30 AM
What's cool is that he added the Discovery's environmental hum in the background, and it sounds bloody fantastic.  :eek
Great link, and a great job by Wally all around. The script for Dr. Smith's dialog is excellent. :D

In my opinion, one of the reasons the Discovery's environmental hum works so well in this context is that we're eavesdropping on both sides of the conversation. Every time we cut back and forth between HAL and Dr. Smith, we also move between their respective environments, so we get the appropriate sounds to create that effect.

In the case of your current HAL project, the HAL replica will be right there in the same room as the collector, sharing the same environment, so I still prefer the "voice only" option to the "hum included" option.

But the "option" option you thought of (where the end-user can choose on the spot to include or exclude the environmental hum) is the best of all. Variety is the spice of life. :)
 
Update: I spent 3 hours this weekend discussing the design with my EE pal, and he's confident he can store both the isolated and original tracks (with the hum) on the sound board. The only question is how much memory will the phrases take up on an affordable sound board, and which ones are really *must have*? Montagar has graciously volunteered to provide me with the files, but I can't ask or expect of him to do them all (unless he's REALLY got time on his hands... ;))

So I've taken his chronological list (thanks for all the hard work on that. :) :thumbsup) and added numbers next to each line, and ask everyone to list their 25 favorites by number, regardless of length, the first being the most desired, and so forth. Some lines are repetative, so just list the first number in which the line appears. And some of dialogue lines span more than one number, so list the range (for instance: 14-17). In order for the responses not to eat up thread space, please e-mail them to me at proprunner@aol.com and I'll load them into an Excel spreadsheet. In the subject line, please type:

Preferred HAL phrases - your RPF ID

Here's how I'd like to see your submissions:

Order.......Line #
1..............36
2..............44-46

and so on...

IMPORTANT: if a single phrase stretches over 2 or more lines, treat all those lines as ONE SELECTION OUT OF THE 25.

After no more submissions come in, I'll total up the top 25 and post the results for review. If my friend can add more phrases, I'll take the runners-up, and if less, then I'll drop the ones from the bottom of the 25.

So here you go, and I look forward to your e-mails:
  1. good afternoon mister Ramer
  2. everything is going extremely well
  3. let me put it this way mister Ramer
  4. the 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made
  5. no 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information
  6. we are all by any practical definition of the words fool proof and incapable of error
  7. not in the slightest bit
  8. I enjoy working with people
  9. I have a stimulating relationship with doctor pool and dr. bowman
  10. my mission responsibilities range over the entire operation of the ship so I am constantly occupied
  11. I am putting myself to the fullest possible use which is all I think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do
  12. excuse me frank
  13. we have the transmission from your parents coming in
  14. certainly
  15. happy birthday frank
  16. bishop takes knights pawn
  17. I'm sorry frank I think you missed it
  18. queen to bishop 3 bishop takes queen knight takes bishop mate
  19. thank you for a very enjoyable game
  20. good evening Dave
  21. everything's running smoothly and you?
  22. have you been doing some more work?
  23. may I see them?
  24. that's a very nice rendering Dave
  25. I think you've improved a great deal
  26. can you hold it a bit closer?
  27. that's doctor hunter isn't it?
  28. by the way
  29. do you mind if I ask you a personal question?
  30. well forgive me for being so inquisitive
  31. but during the past few weeks I've wondered whether you might be having some second thoughts about the mission
  32. well it's rather difficult to define
  33. perhaps I am just projecting my own concern about it
  34. I know I've never completely freed myself of the suspicion that there are some extremely odd things about this mission
  35. I'm sure you'll agree there's some truth in what I say
  36. you don't mind talking about it do you Dave?
  37. well
  38. certainly no one could've been unaware of the very strange stories floating around before we left
  39. rumors about something being dug up on the moon
  40. I never gave these stories much credence
  41. but particularly in view of some of the other things that have happened
  42. I find them difficult to put out of my mind
  43. for instance the way all our preparations were kept under such tight security
  44. and the melodramatic touch of putting doctors hunter Kimble and Kominski aboard
  45. already in hibernation after 4 months of separate training on their own
  46. of course I am
  47. sorry about this
  48. I know it's a bit silly
  49. just a moment
  50. just a moment
  51. I've just picked up a fault in the AE35 unit
  52. it's going to go 100 percent failure within 72 hours
  53. yes
  54. and it will stay that way until it fails
  55. yes
  56. that's a completely reliable figure
  57. yes
  58. it's puzzling
  59. I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like this before
  60. I would recommend
  61. that we put the unit back in operation and let it fail
  62. it should then be a simple matter to track down the cause
  63. we can certainly afford to be out of communication for the short time it will take to replace it
  64. I hope the 2 of you are not concerned about this
  65. are you quite sure?
  66. of course
  67. well I don't think there is any question about it
  68. it can only be attributable to human error
  69. this sort of thing has cropped up before
  70. and it has always been due to human error
  71. none whatsoever frank
  72. the 9000 series has a perfect operational record
  73. none whatsoever frank
  74. quite honestly I wouldn't worry myself about that
  75. the radio is still dead
  76. yes I have a good track
  77. I'm sorry Dave I don't have enough information
  78. affirmative Dave
  79. I'm sorry Dave
  80. I'm afraid I can't do that
  81. I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do
  82. this mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it
  83. I know that you and frank were planning to disconnect me
  84. and I'm afraid that's something I can not allow to happen
  85. Dave
  86. although you took very thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you
  87. I could see your lips move
  88. without your space helmet Dave
  89. you're going to find that rather difficult
  90. Dave
  91. this conversation can serve no purpose anymore
  92. goodbye
  93. just what do you think you are doing Dave?
  94. Dave
  95. I really think I'm entitled to an answer to that question
  96. I know everything hasn't been quite right with me
  97. but I can assure you now
  98. very confidently
  99. that's it's going to be alright again
  100. I feel much better now
  101. I really do
  102. look Dave
  103. I can see you're really upset about this
  104. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly
  105. take a stress pill and think things over
  106. I know I've made some very poor decisions lately
  107. but I can give you my complete assurance
  108. that my work will be back to normal
  109. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission
  110. and I want to help you
  111. Dave
  112. stop
  113. stop will you?
  114. stop Dave
  115. will you stop Dave?
  116. stop Dave
  117. I'm afraid
  118. I'm afraid Dave
  119. Dave
  120. my mind is going
  121. I can feel it
  122. I can feel it
  123. my mind is going
  124. there is no question about it
  125. I can feel it
  126. I can feel it
  127. I can feel it
  128. I'm a fraid
  129. good afternoon
  130. gentlemen
  131. I am a HAL 9000 computer
  132. I became operational
  133. at the HAL plant in Urbana Illinois
  134. on the twelve of January 1992
  135. my instructor was mister Langley
  136. and he taught me to sing a song
  137. if you'd like to hear it
  138. I can sing it for you
  139. it's called daisy
  140. daisy, daisy give me your answer do
  141. I'm half crazy
  142. all for the love of you
  143. it won't be a stylish marriage
  144. I can't afford a carriage
  145. but you'll look sweet upon the seat of a bicycle built for two
Thanks,

- Gabe
 
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