Give me back Sebastian Shaw at end of ROTJ

Then why did you buy up all the sabers?
:lolThe completist in me - once you have Luke's and obi Wan's - and see other collections - you almost have to.

Plus - i made up for it by giving them away for free.

I so hate the prequels - and ROTJ for that matter. Who'd a thunk Caravan of Courage would one day be better than some of the movies.
 
I wanna know why Qui-Gon wasn't standing there with the three of them too.

He was the first to get his magic wand fro his box of C-3PO cerial and learn the ghost spell.

It's true because computery Yoda said so! :lol

I sat and watched all six films and agree with the above statement.

Original trilogy - COOL

Prequels - MEH
 
Here's the thing. What Lucas had in his brain or on his notepad is irrelevant except insofar as it relates to the "Myth" that surrounds Lucas and the notion that he had literally every detail intricately planned and connected vs. the notion that he made stuff up on the fly and then BSed about it by saying "I always intended blah blah blah."

Solo, I see you continually bring out this argument that Lucas has claimed to always have every detail of the Star Wars saga written in stone some thirty years ago. Can you support this with referenced quotes? It would be unfair to perpetuate this "myth" you speak of.
It would also be a foolish thing to presume that art can only ever be valid if it's conceived in it's entirety, in one single sitting with no option ever for further modification or refinement.

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bla bla bla, midi-chlorians, Lucas is a sloppy writer, I'm not so I can say with a fair degree of authority that Lucas really is quite the clueless storyteller, etc.. etc..
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I'm not surprised that most people complain about midi-chlorians, generally it's the juvenile whining of those who believe their childish bubble has been burst and have knee jerk histrionics to something that actually requires a more considered view.
I am surprised though that someone who professes such an interest in creative writing, can miss the obvious of why there is a science over mysticism angle on the Force in the PT. If you think the approach taken with midi-chlorians/the Force is in any way a goof in consistency with the OT and bad storytelling in general then I have to question to what level of creative writing you actually aspire to.

It doesn't help matters when you post detailed ideas on what you think is a much better story and admit to starting to write an alternate version (really?!) which frankly at best is the same old fanfic and at worst is a telling sign that you are so immersed in a hazy romantic memory that you've lost better judgment and are hostage to it.
Seriously, if you are to take anything from Star Wars it should be to plough your own field.

Lucas has made some questionable choices no doubt, but the midi-chlorians shouldn't be on any level headed persons list. Qui Gon not appearing to Yoda in Sith is the number one narrative failure that bridges the trilogies, imo.

But then again, Lucas got away with a big narrative anomaly in Star Wars and no one ever sees it, so some he wins and some he doesn't.
 
I hope that's a joke, good buddy.

Barely.

But here's the deal - as much as we complain about what lucas did with the movies - I can only imagine what would happen when Lucas passed away and someone else decided to make the prequels - I can't imagine them being any worse, but any mistakes made by another director/writer would pretty much be unforgivable. We'd rake that person over the coals, back and fourth for having Anakin scream "I HATE YOU!" Or the famous Vader "Noooooo!"
 
It doesn't help matters when you post detailed ideas on what you think is a much better story and admit to starting to write an alternate version (really?!) which frankly at best is the same old fanfic and at worst is a telling sign that you are so immersed in a hazy romantic memory that you've lost better judgment and are hostage to it.
Seriously, if you are to take anything from Star Wars it should be to plough your own field.

If this is directed at me, I have no regrets about spending 15 minutes of my life fantasizing about a series of films that I feel would have better tied to the OT, and better suited the story telling style and universe from much better films. Does it help..no. Does ANY unachievable fantasy help?! If I can't have it I can certainly dream about it....regardless of someone else's opinion. I am certain I hurt no pixels in sharing my vision. If you aren't interested, then by all means skip my post.

I didn't start writing my own version...but if I did and were able to enjoy the process..where is there harm?!
 
Lucas worked hard to retain personal control over his creations and wanted desperately to keep the studio from interfering in any way. (You have to admire Lucas for that. )

The sad thing is when he gained his complete control he proceeded to ruin a great story line all by himself.
But that’s only my personal opinion.

Al
 
Since one of the things your ranting about is Hayden replacing Shaw. I feel just aging Hayden to an older looking man would have made better sense...after all he "died" as an old man like Obi-Wan and they didn't replace Alec's character with the younger "wan"...excuse the pun.

All I can say is I just enjoy the films for what they are and try not to read too much into everything. Too many people whine too much about movies but I see none of them making any movies or realize just how much work is involved and how hard it is to make them and please everyone.
 
I wanna know why Qui-Gon wasn't standing there with the three of them too.

He was the first to get his magic wand fro his box of C-3PO cerial and learn the ghost spell.

It's true because computery Yoda said so! :lol

I sat and watched all six films and agree with the above statement.

Original trilogy - COOL

Prequels - MEH

Luke wouldn't know who Qui Gon was.

Well, of course that opens up a whole can of worms, because presumably Obi Wan told Luke about Qui Gon, although in the OT, Obi Wan only talks about Yoda. But that discrepancy is another one which arose from trying to mash the two trilogies together.

Best not to think about it too much.
 
I agree with the original rant and could add many pages to it. I'm a first generation Star Wars fan. I remember when “Close the blast doors” was in and the echo in the Luke and Leia Tarzan swing scene was out. Star Wars was “accidental brilliance”, it was also a self contained and stand alone film. I don't see how anyone could say with a straight face that he had everything planned out from the beginning and end up with so many plot holes and inconsistencies. GL is a great visionary, but he can't write or direct. The other movies, with the exception of most of Empire, are just bad. I'll watch the non Orwellian Star Wars from time to time and still get that feeling I had when I first saw it as a kid ,and for that I'm grateful.
 
GL is a great visionary, but he can't write or direct.

He can't write dialogue, but he can write story; and there's more to directing than just telling the actors what to do, so he can direct -- THX 1138, American Graffiti and STAR WARS prove that he can. Sure, he's made some stinkers in the last couple of decades, but he also made three timeless classics.
 
I'm with you 100% Scout. I'm pretty much to the point where I'm not even sure I want any prequel stuff around, just want to ignore it and try to hold onto the purity of the OT and all that meant to me.
 
Star Wars is a metaphor for Lucas' life. He IS the Emperor. He starts out good and then single handedly masterminds the downfall of his empire.
 
I had the same reaction when watching the Midichlorian youtube vid, Caymen! I complain because I had such high expectations--or at least expected them to be on par with ROTJ--but dang! When I see footage from any of the SW films, it stirs the blood! :)
 
Very well written summation of your feelings, Scout.

I concur with almost all that you said. The "mini-tragedy" is that the prequels pretty much killed my love for the whole franchise.

I cannot stand to have any of the stuff around these days.
 
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