Gino ANH Helmet...cast from the original?

[GINO]

As badly as I want to defend myself, I know that responding will be like itching your poison ivy, it won't take the itch away, and it will only perpetuate the condition as well as make it worse. There will never be a resolution no matter how hard I try.


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[Qui-Gonzalez]

Well his helmet looks a lot like a Ghosthost helmet, doesn't it, the mask...could be a VP-like casting. Where do I say that I can tell what his source is with assurance? Read my post again please...

And I asked you to point out what it is not with assurance in the first place, which you said you could do. Yes, in my haste I made a typo which I am not going to go back and edit out, but YOU are the one tossing accusations and assurances about, which ALL end up being POOR supposition on your part. So, please do continue assuring us what his helmet is not, okay?

GINO freely admits nothing he has now is for sale. He gains nothing from his claims, whereas YOUR claims were put forth to try and further your runs to your special friends. To drive up the price...who knows?

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

I would like to call upon thread participants to refrain from personal attacks, as the question and premise of this thread is a valid one. If you disrespect SithLord, that's your prerogative, but at least show some respect those of us RPFers who sincerely want to discuss the topic and to know the truth without having to ridiculing SithLord.

Else, I'd just see these as tactics of diversion to protect GINO. Surely GINO's helmet should stand on its own merits if it has such provenance as he claims.

Without participants from the Pro-GINO and Anti-GINO sides, this thread would have died right off, Mac. As much as you disagree with Thomas, you are FAR more Anti-GINO. I am trying to remain impartial, but frankly, you guys have been wont to dogpile on GINO since his thread about his own forum.

Again, usually these helmets become debated when parties are offering runs. As GINO is doing no such thing, either above or below boards as far as I know, then this whole exercise is pointless. This is yet another Anti-GINO thread. Nothing more.

 

[GINO]

but frankly, you guys have been wont to dogpile on GINO since his thread about his own forum.

Again, usually these helmets become debated when parties are offering runs. As GINO is doing no such thing, either above or below boards as far as I know, then this whole exercise is pointless. This is yet another Anti-GINO thread. Nothing more.

EXACTLY.


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[CSMacLaren]

Without participants from the Pro-GINO and Anti-GINO sides, this thread would have died right off, Mac. As much as you disagree with Thomas, you are FAR more Anti-GINO. I am trying to remain impartial, but frankly, you guys have been wont to dogpile on GINO since his thread about his own forum.

Again, usually these helmets become debated when parties are offering runs. As GINO is doing no such thing, either above or below boards as far as I know, then this whole exercise is pointless. This is yet another Anti-GINO thread. Nothing more.

You're welcome to your opinion as to who I dislike more, but in all honesty you don't know me and so you'll not know the answer.

 

[SithLord]

Well, we can all be adults I hope and just discuss Vader helmets without getting our buns in a tizzy.

Ok, maybe we should go with Gino's ANH as being cast directly from the original production ANH molds which makes anything else completely inaccurate and not what we saw onscreen in 1977. As Gino mentioned on his website...

Since the original ANH Vader costume no longer resides in the LFL archives (and my no longer even exist), this is very likely the closest representation of the complete original suit in existence.

So according to Gino, his ANH helmet is probably the only entirely accurate ANH helmet in existence and is the closest representation of the original ANH helmet. So by implication, nothing even comes close, not in details, proportions, size or lineage. That would make nothing else even worthy of serious consideration because there is nothing closer to the original ANH helmet.

I'm glad we have that established....oh....look....what's this? Some guy claiming his helmet is more authentic? Hogwash. It doesn't even look like Gino's...

Anyway, kidding aside I still think it is of some value to address claims of authenticity or at least discuss them on a forum such as this.

 

[SithLord]

As badly as I want to defend myself, I know that responding will be like itching your poison ivy, it won't take the itch away, and it will only perpetuate the condition as well as make it worse. There will never be a resolution no matter how hard I try.


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I think it is good that you take pride in your ANH Vader and your helmet and justifiably so. I wish we could discuss this helmet further as I for one am interested in it especially if it is what you say it is.

 

[SithLord]

GINO freely admits nothing he has now is for sale. He gains nothing from his claims, whereas YOUR claims were put forth to try and further your runs to your special friends. To drive up the price...who knows?

What's authentic? Do you know? That is what this is about. Gino's ANH suit deserves recognition, but let's address the claims he's made about it and in particular the helmet. And as if Gino hasn't sold anything in the past...and the fact he states in his CoC that he can control what is shown in terms of interest threads on his forum should tell you something...

 

[micdavis]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

 

[SithLord]

I am trying to remain impartial, but frankly, you guys have been wont to dogpile on GINO since his thread about his own forum.

Again, usually these helmets become debated when parties are offering runs. As GINO is doing no such thing, either above or below boards as far as I know, then this whole exercise is pointless. This is yet another Anti-GINO thread. Nothing more.

That's fine if he's not selling anything, that doesn't change what I'll do if someone posts claims about their Vader helmet. I'll offer an opinion and try to back it up. So from your point of view the only reason to argue about authenticity is if money or a run is involved?

Gino has a fine website, a fine set of Vaders. He doesn't need to make such claims about the helmets for people to appreciate and admire them. If he does then he opens himself up for consideration of his claims. If he just said this is a secret authentic source, then fine who am I to say anything about that? There's nothing to argue. But he flatly claims that his ANH helmet and his ESB and ROTJ for that matter, are derived directly from the original ANH production mold or directly from the screen-used ANH helmet (note that he STILL won't say which one). And I get taken to task here for questioning such a claim? When all the time in the past if I were to ever make such a claim who would be on my case? You, Gino, etc.

So? I post comparisons and let people decide for themselves. If they think I am way off base then fine I'll move on and Gino can enjoy his castings and I'll enjoy my own.

 

[Cyberman]

Excuse me but is this not braking the rules of this website??? Baiting other members into a reaction... Its so very sad isn't it. All I think when I see any of Ginos props is they look like they've come straight of the film set...

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

What's authentic? Do you know? That is what this is about. Gino's ANH suit deserves recognition, but let's address the claims he's made about it and in particular the helmet. And as if Gino hasn't sold anything in the past...and the fact he states in his CoC that he can control what is shown in terms of interest threads on his forum should tell you something...

Who has said anything about him selling things in the past? I know he has. I said he has not made available ANY of his Vader helmets. I said the only time these types of threads rear are when people are trying to make a run of their stuff, a la the SL, or whatever helmet you have recently sold to your eFriends.

This thread is still meant for baiting Thomas. You have nothing to prove by starting this in the first place. This is merely attacking a member's claims. The attack and claims are both pointless...again, he is happy with what he has, you are not.

 

[Cyberman]

Has anyone considered Gino might not want to reveal his sourses incase they get into trouble?:rolleyes

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Has anyone considered Gino might not want to reveal his sourses incase they get into trouble?:rolleyes

Don't you dare go bringing logic into this discussion, Phil!

 

[Ti-el_terall]

Has anyone considered Gino might not want to reveal his sourses incase they get into trouble?:rolleyes

This is what I always thought was the case, or something fairly similar.

Do any of the images actually match up? They all look like there from different angles, which makes a comparison extremely hard and inaccurate?

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

This is what I always thought was the case, or something fairly similar.

Do any of the images actually match up? They all look like there from different angles, which makes a comparison extremely hard and inaccurate?

They are all from different angles. Mike pointed this whole thing out in the beginning, and how impossibly flawed any comparisons based on the pics posted would be. Some people are just like a dog with a bone.

 

[exoray]

And I get taken to task here for questioning such a claim?

Oh the irony, it's not like you took anyone to task for questioning SDS's claims, right?

Thomas time to move forward, and move beyond the personal attacks when you have a personal interest in one side, you are hardly an impartial party...

 

[vader71]

Mmmmmm popcorn.

 

[Darth Detroit]

This is stupid.
Anoyone want Goobers while I'm up?

 

[vaderdarth]

Wow, looks like I am late to the dance. Hmmmmmmm..... This is one of those touchy topics, but I have to agree, there are far too many details missing for this helmet to be any better than other fan helmets out there. I'm not calling anyone a liar here, but the TD and DJ helmets are a good ways up the authenticity totem pole. I'm not speaking from photographic analysis here.........I've held those two helmets originating from the ILM moulds and I don't care how you photograph them, they are superior to this one. And that's no offense intended to the owner (Gino) of the very pretty helmet. It's simply a fact. I see at least 4 blaring detail omissions on this pretty fan helmet. It is what it is! Peace gentlemen,

Dave