Game of Thrones

Question for you book fans -

Im sure you all know the shocking event that will happen to a couple of the major protagonists in the show next season.
How do you think HBO will handle the Red Wedding....Will they stick exactly to the written word of the book, or will they somehow change it to appease (soften the blow) to the TV audience?

Frankly I cant see how they would be able to change the outcome without completely altering the course of the remaining storyline.

Im guessing a lot of TV viewers are going to be left with their jaws on the floor.
 
DARTH SABER said:
Question for you book fans
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I think they should keep it exactly as written.

As for those events (spoilery for books three and four) :

I do hope they keep the revelation that it was Tywin who set up the girl to hook up with Robb, in order to set up the Red Wedding. That was a great plot twist, and shows just how well Tywin plays the game.
 
SmilingOtter said:
I think they should keep it exactly as written.

As for those events (spoilery for books three and four) :

I do hope they keep the revelation that it was Tywin who set up the girl to hook up with Robb, in order to set up the Red Wedding. That was a great plot twist, and shows just how well Tywin plays the game.
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Ya know, I don't mind spoilers like that. LOL
 
DARTH SABER said:
Question for you book fans -

Im sure you all know the shocking event that will happen to a couple of the major protagonists in the show next season.
How do you think HBO will handle the Red Wedding....Will they stick exactly to the written word of the book, or will they somehow change it to appease (soften the blow) to the TV audience?

Frankly I cant see how they would be able to change the outcome without completely altering the course of the remaining storyline.

Im guessing a lot of TV viewers are going to be left with their jaws on the floor.
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SmilingOtter said:
I think they should keep it exactly as written.

As for those events (spoilery for books three and four) :

I do hope they keep the revelation that it was Tywin who set up the girl to hook up with Robb, in order to set up the Red Wedding. That was a great plot twist, and shows just how well Tywin plays the game.
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I agree with Otter that they should present it as it was in the novel. It was a massively powerful scene and I think that scrimping on it would be a huge mistake... much like them altering Dany's storyline this season was a mistake. Hopefully, they're listening to the fans enough to correct on that for Season 3.
 
I've always found Dany's storyline to be the most tedious. Especially in Dances with Dragons. She seems to be stuck in a rut of looking like she's doing stuff but nothing actually comes of it as far as her goals are concerned. It's been a few months since I read it now, so I can't cite specifics unfortunately, but I seem to recall thinking she spent much of the book waffling about men and nothing really interesting happened with her til the very end.
 
I will say this for Dany's altered story. It showed us that she's above and beyond dying of a broken heart when her hubby is taken away.
 
I haven't read any of the books, but a friend has read several and isn't happy with how they've changed so much this season. I loved both seasons of the show so far. I have read all the Walking Dead comics and wasn't happy with all the changes to the TV show. My friend hasn't read any of them and liked the WD TV show for the most part.

Why do they bother changing such fundamental aspects from the source material? It's totally asinine to do so.
 
Paul Andrew said:
I've always found Dany's storyline to be the most tedious. Especially in Dances with Dragons. She seems to be stuck in a rut of looking like she's doing stuff but nothing actually comes of it as far as her goals are concerned.
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I'm with you. Until those dragons get large enough to wreak some havoc her story is a bit tedious. Myself, especially in books four and five, I found a lot of superfluous chapters.
 
Kerr Avon said:
I haven't read any of the books, but a friend has read several and isn't happy with how they've changed so much this season. I loved both seasons of the show so far. I have read all the Walking Dead comics and wasn't happy with all the changes to the TV show. My friend hasn't read any of them and liked the WD TV show for the most part.

Why do they bother changing such fundamental aspects from the source material? It's totally asinine to do so.
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I think it's partly because the producers don't think mere mortals can follow a storyline they feel is "too complicated." I mean, if they can't follow it, how can anybody else? :rolleyes

It's why we have Asha and Yara instead of Asha and Osha... even though I know people who all have the same/similar sounding first names and never get them confused.

But you also have to take in the fact that some of it is very likely due to production costs. After all, while Blackwater Bay went to the overall storyline, the chain was still left out. Perhaps it was felt that to do it "right" would be too cost prohibitive.
 
Well, I'm finally caught up on the show now. They did change several things this season, but for the most part, I don't think the changes are bad. Some of them were likely done in the interests of economy. Others in the interests of condensing the narrative somewhat.

I haven't read the third book yet (I'm doing one book per year until the show catches up with the writing or ends up canceled). But, I gather that one or two events from the third book snuck into the 2nd season, likely to provide slightly better cliffhangers for the TV format. Again, I don't mind that.

I think they've remained remarkably faithful to the spirit of the books, even as they've changed this or that bit. For example, the death of one on Arya's list was, in my opinion, fine as it was changed. Whether he gets poisoned or mauled by a bear isn't really all that relevant. Some of the very minor characters (well, minor thus far) that are missing (eg., some of the guys who support Tywin at Harrenhal) don't really matter to me.

Some of the other changes, such as how Jon and Qhorin find themselves fighting each other and the sequence of events there, aren't really all THAT important. The important thing is that Jon fights him, kills him, and gets an in with Mance Rayder -- who, by the way, was named in the first book, if memory serves. Certainly by the 2nd he was named as the King Beyond the Wall. As far as I know, whether he has any OTHER names...well, that remains to be seen. And there are other characters who've yet to make a reappearance or have their disappearance revealed.

I thought the reveal at the end of the episode with the White Walkers was pretty badass, but I'm sad to see Sam go (assuming he goes).
 
As far as the "red wedding" goes, at the 2011 comic con, one of the producers mentioned how if the show makes it far enough to be able to shoot the "RW" he could die a happy man. So as long as its not canceled before they will do it. He also spoke of splitting books 3 & 4 into 2 seasons a piece. But that most likely wont be possible as I don't see the show going 6 seasons and only being on book 4. I just pray the show doesn't get cut. Best show on TV in a very long time.
And although the wild fire scene was rather short on episode 9, it was still amazing how they did it. Loved the shot when the fleet just gets leveled.
 
Rbeato said:
As far as the "red wedding" goes, at the 2011 comic con, one of the producers mentioned how if the show makes it far enough to be able to shoot the "RW" he could die a happy man. So as long as its not canceled before they will do it. He also spoke of splitting books 3 & 4 into 2 seasons a piece. But that most likely wont be possible as I don't see the show going 6 seasons and only being on book 4. I just pray the show doesn't get cut. Best show on TV in a very long time.
And although the wild fire scene was rather short on episode 9, it was still amazing how they did it. Loved the shot when the fleet just gets leveled.
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What makes you think it won't be possible? The show is an absolute monster with the ratings thus far and the reception (both critical and from the fans) has been extremely positive. I think they'd have to really screw up severely to have the show cancelled.
 
And by splitting the books into multiple seasons they are prolonging the amount of time GRRM has to keep the story moving, because without some sort of divine intervention, there is no way He'll have another two books written by 2015 when Dance would be a season of the show if they stuck to single season book interperetations.

With the critical and fan reception the show has received I don't think HBO is worried about keeping the show going for a few more years, but it would be a pain in butt if they run out of material and have to end the show because the story isn't ready for filming.

The way he has books 4 and 5 running semi-simultaneously, after book three I predict that they will completely abandon the correlation between books and seasons and go on scripting the show based on a more chronological telling of the story, that way they won't have to give half the cast rotating two year lay offs and compeltely abandon major character's storylines for a year or two at a time.

It will be interesting to me to see how they deal with that at least.
 
Ghadrack said:
And by splitting the books into multiple seasons they are prolonging the amount of time GRRM has to keep the story moving, because without some sort of divine intervention, there is no way He'll have another two books written by 2015 when Dance would be a season of the show if they stuck to single season book interperetations.

With the critical and fan reception the show has received I don't think HBO is worried about keeping the show going for a few more years, but it would be a pain in butt if they run out of material and have to end the show because the story isn't ready for filming.

The way he has books 4 and 5 running semi-simultaneously, after book three I predict that they will completely abandon the correlation between books and seasons and go on scripting the show based on a more chronological telling of the story, that way they won't have to give half the cast rotating two year lay offs and compeltely abandon major character's storylines for a year or two at a time.

It will be interesting to me to see how they deal with that at least.
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Actually, that'd make sense. The split in how he tells the story "Here's the story in the South....ok, now here's the story in the North at that same time..." across two books instead of a chronological telling of both halves in a single book would seem to necessitate the chronological telling after Season 3.

I also gather that there were some moments from Book 3 that snuck in to Season 2. I don't think that's necessarily bad, but it did take me by surprise. Jamie's release, for example. I still haven't read Book 3, so I had to check that.


I honestly don't mind there being differences between the books and the show, though. It gives "added value" to each.
 
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