I can't remember, but does Jon Snow know that Sansa and Aria are still alive? I don't think so, but I'm not sure. I wonder if he would march on Winterfell with Staniss (sp?) if he knew Sansa was there?
Game of Thrones
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Solos blaster
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He doesn't know she's there.
SmilingOtter
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No one's officially seen Arya since Eddard was arrested/executed. Sansa disappeared when Joffrey died. A few folks know otherwise, but generally they're both off the radar for the moment.
Solo4114
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The Griff storyline seems to be either getting dropped or merged with Dany's. I think it would just be way too complicated for the show, since it introduces a ton of other issues like who the hell Bittersteel is, how the Golden Company came to be formed, what its mission has always been in relation to the Targaeryans, and a whole host of other things. Plus, it adds, like, 8 new characters just for that one storyline. It's a shame, because that's one area where I find Martin's work to be really rich and interesting, but I think it's better for the show and streamlining if it stays out. Plus, we have no idea how it resolves, so it just makes sense to condense the events. I think we're seeing the same thing with Quentyn and the Ironborn. The Ironborn story really just seems kinda pointless other than "Oh yeah, so I haven't talked much about these dudes, but here's what they're up to now." I don't really see a point in that storyline otherwise. You really only need, like, 2 seconds of it to introduce Victarion and send him south, and you don't even REALLY need that. For that matter, there's the whole siege of Mereen that I think is being cut or condensed because...really...who cares? The only reason to have it is to move a bunch of characters to Dany's location and, if you're cutting a bunch of those characters anyway, you don't need it at all.
I don't think he knows about Sansa yet, although I can't imagine he won't find out once Roose marries her. Arya's basically just in the wind. Everyone assumes she's dead like the rest of the Starks.
madmikeee
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So far all I am seeing this season is story filler. I can see this when a series has a 14-20 episode season but GOT only has 10 episodes per season. So far I consider the first 5 interesting but not overly entertaining. ALso we have touched on so many characters but NOTHING on Bran and Hodor. What happened to his brother?, last we saw he was still alive. How about a few more details on Arya and her initiation into the house of black and white? Instead we get to see Sansa with no progression on her story other than neutered boy apologizing for killing her brothers, which he didn't, and yet even more Jon Snow brooding and Daenerys whining. Just my opinion of course.
Bran and Hodor wont be seen at all this season. The producers said that in various places after the end of last season. Rickon's fate is unknown in the books, so it looks like the show is carrying that over. As for Arya, it looks like we'll be getting more of her story next episode.
I think the point of the Sansa-centric ep was to show that even though we just saw Ramsay pledge not to hurt her and that he might not possibly be the monster viewers thought he was, that his torture of Sansa is just beginning. We've even seen his own father not so subtle warning to knock it off. Then, with the announcement that Roose is now expecting another male heir, this puts Ramsay in a precarious position.
I wouldn't go so far as to say the first 5 episodes have been filler, but they've definitely been setting up some major events.
I think the point of the Sansa-centric ep was to show that even though we just saw Ramsay pledge not to hurt her and that he might not possibly be the monster viewers thought he was, that his torture of Sansa is just beginning. We've even seen his own father not so subtle warning to knock it off. Then, with the announcement that Roose is now expecting another male heir, this puts Ramsay in a precarious position.
I wouldn't go so far as to say the first 5 episodes have been filler, but they've definitely been setting up some major events.
The last episode Summed up Via the F- Word. Obviously NSFW.
http://valarbloghulis.someecards.co...e-5-recapped-almost-entirely-using-the-fword/
http://valarbloghulis.someecards.co...e-5-recapped-almost-entirely-using-the-fword/
Monkey67
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Ramsey was kinda proving a point to sansa. By him having reek say he was sorry for killing her brothers. This takes the blame or anger away the Him. I didn't kill them or ran sacked winter fell. It was your retard brother and the greyjoy clan that did it. But my dad did kill your other brother & mother...oh well who wants seconds of chicken? Idk, but I kinda liked him during that scene. Other than that, I want to punch that smile off his face.
Every time I see Ramsey I just think "That boy ain't right..." and that episode confirmed it. :lol Obviously he's a little out of control because the last episode or the one before that, his dad pretty much said "You don't have to flay everyone. You can kind of talk it out first..."
madmikeee
Sr Member
What the horrific torture of Greyjoy/Reek wasn't enough to let you know that Ramsey is FUBAR? LMAO!
Solo4114
Master Member
As has been said, Bran and Hodor aren't getting any development this season. Rickon is who knows where with Osha.
Arya's and Sansa's stories will develop more, I expect. Jon and Dany's stories will also develop.
The real question is how far and in what ways. The issue you're finding is the same issue most of the folks who read books 4 and 5 found: there's a LOT of filler and it hasn't yet resolved in a way that, post hoc, illuminates why any of it was meaningful. Books 4 and 5 are almost entirely build-up that has yet to resolve. I haven't read any of the chapters posted online by Martin, but apparently those are all chapters that were written for Book 5, which he didn't get a chance to add because, presumably, the publishers wanted to time the book's release close to the season premiere for whichever season it was (3, I think?). Anyway, that's the reason (I suspect) why it feels so filler-y: because it kinda is.
Ramsey is crazier than a ****house rat. He's entertaining to watch, though, and I cannot WAIT to see him get his.
At least show watchers won't have to wait over 10 years just to see what happened to some characters.
Book wise people who finished book 3 had to wait 5 years to get book 4, which didn't have a single chapter on Jon, Bran or Dany. They had to wait 6 more years after that for book 5
Thank god I didn't start reading the series until after the first season of the TV show when all the current books were out. It's been long enough waiting for a book 6 for 4 years let as it is.
I think another part of the reason this season seems so much like filler is because of all the crazy stuff crammed into the other seasons/books that happened in such a short span of time.
Book wise people who finished book 3 had to wait 5 years to get book 4, which didn't have a single chapter on Jon, Bran or Dany. They had to wait 6 more years after that for book 5
Thank god I didn't start reading the series until after the first season of the TV show when all the current books were out. It's been long enough waiting for a book 6 for 4 years let as it is.
I think another part of the reason this season seems so much like filler is because of all the crazy stuff crammed into the other seasons/books that happened in such a short span of time.
Solo4114
Master Member
Yeah, the thing about books 1-3 is that they were really pretty tightly focused. I mean, they had wide-ranging issues and plot events occur, but the focus still stayed pretty tight. Books 4 and 5, though, really expanded the focus in ways which it's not yet clear whether they're important or not.
Well, that could have been an aberration ... :lol
madmikeee
Sr Member
:lol riiigghhhttt.
firesprite
Master Member
I'm kind of glad they toned Ramsay down a bit from the books, personally... *shudder*
Reelo
Sr Member
Heh, indeed...
Solo4114
Master Member
They also cast him as a physically attractive character, rather than the sort of shabby weirdo he is in the books.
Well, to be fair, its TV. You're never going to see an unattractive person in a regular role. Just look at Tyrion and Brienne. They're also not described as particularly attractive in the books. Gwendoline Christie is a frickin model. As groundbreaking as the show is in some ways, there are other ways where they just aren't going to stray from the norm.
firesprite
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Correction, both of them are described as excedingly UNattractive. However, there can't be a huge pool of actresses who are over 6 feet tall like Gwen.
