figured out superman returns costume

Discussion in 'DC Costumes and Props' started by hydin, Dec 18, 2005.

  1. hydin

    hydin Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    it took a while to realize, but i finally realized today that the darker colors for the costume bother me moreso than i thought, and the reason is actually very very simple.

    it brings to mind that abortion of a superman film known as "superman 3". the evil superman clone.... thing. he had the same dark blue, and dark red cape.

    granted, the costume by itself sucks (tiny emblem, logo on belt, short shorts, etc), but the color scheme bugged me more than anything else, and i finally pinned down the reason.

    anyone else ephinate on this, or twas it just me?

    chris
     
  2. Clone-extra1

    Clone-extra1 Well-Known Member

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    I'm just an average person who likes watching Superman now and then, but the dark colors are actually the only thing I like about the new costume.
     
  3. Minder Thr33

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    I like the dark colours too.

    My problem was that Singer was trying too hard to stay faithful to the comic.
     
  4. PantheraGem

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    This is exactly what a friend and I said upon our first seeing a pic of the costume. It's dark reds are exactly the same. Are they ever so subtley trying to tell us we're in a darker time now, blah, blah....
     
  5. Magic Man

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    I wish it was brighter myself.

    Brad
     
  6. nae1000

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    i'm a big supes fan, and it must be the hardest job in the world to do what singer has to- try to please everyone.

    i dislike the suit for the plasticy looks, the high neck, the rear tucked in cape, the s on the belt, the short boots, but i like the darker pallette. singer would have had an easier ride doing a bat film, his costume changes so much in the movies and no one seems to mind- the begins suit and cowl were awful.
    but like singer said in sdcc, the costume is drawn differently all the time.........

    i think the movie will rock, and please watch superman 3 again as it really is one of the better movies (2 and 4 just look so bad and cheap.), it's so twee and comic like of the time.
     
  7. hydin

    hydin Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    im sorry man, i really gotta disagree on the superman 3 thing.

    granted, the whole evil supes idea was pretty interesting, the movie just flat out sucked. the original wasnt a plot filled masterpiece with lex basically being a homicidal real estate agent, but the 3rd one was just richard pryor guest starring superman.

    plus that robot chick gave me nightmares. :confused

    even 4, as PC as it was, was more fun to watch than 3. 2 wasnt great but it could have been had donners original idea been in play.

    the costume just... hell ive already said it, i dont like it. the tiny symbol, the shorty shorts, etc, all look weird on the man o steel. but the dark colors and leather capes and whatnot just look wrong on superman (to me). granted, in kingdom come he had a darker blue and red, and he looked awesome, but the suit was basically the same design with darker colors. the whole "retro" look to it bugs me. the main irk factor though is that darker blue and red.

    brings back bad memories of a bad movie.

    chris
     
  8. mtsbspidey

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    i don't know...there's a bit of a precedent for the darker colors....the classic fleischer animation...skott (who personally really digs the new costume)
     
  9. spcglider@aol.com

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    IMO,

    The suit has major problems all the way down to the cut. The colors don't bug me so much as does the tailoring.

    The blue undersuit is fine. Its a blue tight-suit. The basis for Superman's outfit.

    The cape needs some major shoulder help. The way it's hanging, its looking like the studio said "MINIMIZE THE CAPE" so they tucked it out of sight as far as they could. The way it's fitted at the neckline is atrocious.

    The "S" is just too small. I suppose they were trying to make his chest look broader by minimizing the S, but it doesn't serve the overall image.

    The boots are a tad too low as well. Don't mind the fancy cut on them, but they could stand to be an inch or two taller.

    And the trunks...

    I don't mind the sculptural belt, really. But the cut of those trunks is about as wrong as if they had been made as boxers. There's also the possibility that somebody at the studio said "minimize his package" and so they settled on this unflattering cut that is very similar on the bottom to the trunks Burt Ward wore in the 1960's Batman show. Waist is too low, legs aren't cut high enough. It makes him look like his torso is too long and his legs are too short. The cut doesn't follow the lines of his physique. And the shorts in particular make it appear that the costume was made before they cast the role. Either that or the costumer was confused by the comic book art reference and thought they should be cut that low at the waitsband to expose more of his abs. But the problem is that he ISN'T built like the comic form of Superman's body. Nobody is. They have his belt-line riding below his bellybutton...Chris Reeve's trunks rode right at the bellybutton line. And Chris' outfit LOOKED BALANCED.

    Until we get over our uncomfortable realtionship with human anatomy and grow up, superhero suits will forever be embarrassing to an American audience. Unless, of course, you prefer ALL your superheroes dressed in tight black leather or rubber sculpted suits.

    -Gordon
     
  10. GregJ

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    I don't like the costume & the actor looks a little light in the #ss to be playing Supes in my opinion.

    Chris Reeve was the man..
     
  11. Jedi-Bob

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    Looks like "Super-boy" to me.

    Where's Alex Ross when you need him. :rolleyes
     
  12. frozone

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    Superman 2 was clearly the best movie done. The NYC battle was just fun. It was what you wanted to see in all of the superman movies. And Hackman's lines, were just great throughout... and Otis putting the shadow rabbit ears on Lex during the escape still makes me laugh outloud after 20 years. I mean come on, guys, seriously, how could 2 be the worst?

    In any case, I just hope the new movie does alright. It would be nice to have superman back in the super hero mix. I'm still thanking my lucky stars for Batman Begins, on general principle, since arnold in bunny slippers conducting a bunch of henchmen still gives me nightmares.

    The dark colored suit will bother me until I determine if the movie is good or not.
     
  13. hunky_artist

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    i love pretty much everything about this redesign. with one exception of the high round neck, but even that's starting to grow on me now.

    I like the thing that people are complaining about though, that it makes his body look longer.

    I love that look... makes him look leaner... wide shoulders and long torso. more like an olympic swimmer's physique instead of a body builder.
     
  14. Primrodo

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    They don't mean longer as in atheletic build...meanlonger as in disproportional, like his body parts are all wrong, thus making his arms look short and lets stumpy and then a TALL chest.
     
  15. spcglider@aol.com

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    Exactly.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about the build of the actor. Its just the costumer who should be fired.

    -Gordon
     
  16. Pauleysolo

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    If you want to know why the new Superman costume looks a little effeminate--look no further than Bryan Singer....
     
  17. misterfusion

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    According to one of the interviews in Wizard magazine, most of the things that people seem to balk at on the costume are a direct result of the logistics of Singer's "re-imagining" of the costume to put his own stamp on it. All the talk about using the darker colors and the smaller logo to reference the Fleisher cartoons is crap.

    Colors too dark?
    "Those bright colors just don't work today".

    Neckline too high?
    Well, that's because Brandon is wearing a muscle suit under the costume.

    Logo too small?
    Well, Singer wanted the 3-D logo, and there's no way to make something like that contour to the natural (or augmented) shape of the body, so it needs a "flat" surface to lay on.

    No logo on the cape?
    3-D version on the cape just wouldn't work, animators of the CG version of the cape didn't want to have to deal.

    Logo on the belt?
    Singer: "We took the logo from the cape and put it on the belt".

    I accept the costume, because I have no choice, but dammit, this better be a friggin' great movie or by Zod, there's gonna be hell to pay.

    Steve
     
  18. GregJ

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    He's wearing a muscle suit & he still looks like a wimp. That's truly sad.
     
  19. Egon Spengler

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    If he's wearing a muscle suit that is REALLY sad.
     
  20. mtsbspidey

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    "All the talk about using the darker colors and the smaller logo to reference the Fleisher cartoons is crap."

    i never said the darker colors were a reference to the fleisher cartoon...i just said that there was a precedent for the colors being that dark...and a * good one at that...

    "He's wearing a muscle suit & he still looks like a wimp. That's truly sad."
    "If he's wearing a muscle suit that is REALLY sad."

    i don't know if anyone else did the comparison...but look them...do you really think routh "looks like a wimp" compared to reeve?...i don't know...routh looks like he could kick my * and probably your's too....skott
     
  21. misterfusion

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    I wasn't quoting you. This has come from a number of sources within the production as well.

    Steve
     
  22. DJ-Panic

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    I don't know, I just don't see how anyone will be able to fill Reeve's boots. He IS superman for at least one or 2 entire generations, including mine.
     
  23. hydin

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    i gotta agree, routh doesnt match reeve in the sheer size category. i dunno if he is wearing a muscle suit or not, but i do know reeve didnt wear one during superman or any of the sequels that i can recall. check out the test shots of him on the balcony pre vader training, and then shots of him in the movie post vader training. he got big. no padding needed.

    routh looks like he has the generic "superman" look to him, dark hair, solid chin, etc, but i really have to say that in terms of just "big guy", he aint one.

    i dunno if its the lack of "real men" in hollywood today,or just directors perogatives, but somehow reeve filled out a skintight costume and looked basically like he stepped out of a comic, but nowadays any hero movie that comes along has someone wearing a bodysuit of some sort with padded out muscles. even tobey in spidey 1&2 had some padding lobbed in there.

    routh just reminds me more of the superboy series. considering this movie is supposed to be set a few years after the originals... its kinda strange to me that the entire ensemble of people (from jimmy upwards of lex himself) all seem to be a little younger. reeve is superman for generations of people. thats a given. routh has a decent chance of becoming the superman for the new young generation of movie fans now. but the costume just..... sucks.

    MF has it right. virtually any quote you see on the costume design always has some BS about "its how he looked in the classic comics and cartoons." defense. strangely they forget that he was also a friggin huge guy in the classic comics and cartoons. very overmuscled for the period.

    even george reeves wore a 30-45 pound muscle suit when playing superman. it can be done with an open neck, a bigger shield, and no bikini briefs. reeve just bulked the hell up when he got the role, and filled the suit out himself. routh is in good shape, but not the shape of a possibly 30~ year old superman, and if he IS wearing a muscle suit under all that..... he has gotta be pretty skinny. iirc even dean cain didnt have a padded out suit, he is just a big guy as well. wasnt the greatest superman, but at least he fit the body type.

    i may love the movie. i havent decided that. i have decided that i seriously dislike the costume. im willing to give the movie a shot, but god help em if it sucks. singer may have had a few good movies but * with supermans costume can have a pretty severe whiplash effect. random (non fan) people went off on DC when they killed him, and then went off on them AGAIN when they changed his power set and gave him a new costume.

    heres hoping summertime involves one hell of a movie.
    chris
     
  24. frozone

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    Thats whats bothering me.... he looks generic.... chris reeve had such a distinct look. This new kid just kind of fills the shoes.
     
  25. tgreco

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    I agree with that sentiment

    George Reeves had a very distinct look that fit the part, Christopher Reeves had a very distinct look that fit the part as well. Hell even Dean Cain was instantly recognizable as both Superman and himself, but the new kid, he just lacks any facial features that are distinctly his... like he was built from spare parts of leftover superman want-to-be's...

    I actually really like the Superman in the World's Finest fan film. Better then all of the above And he was a big dude. Looked like a comic book hero, and actually the Superman in the Grayson fan film is the one I think really has the exact look as for comic book to screen transfer... but hey, that's just wishful thinking
     
  26. Solo

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    Do you have any links to the fan films you're referring to here?

    I think most of us can agree that Reeve was a great Superman...for his time. Singer certainly thought so, which is why he chose Routh. He was quite adament about finding an "unknown" like Reeve. What he wanted WAS Reeve and he found him in this guy. And he LOVES Donner's treatment. So much, in fact, that he decided to "continue" that treatment into the 21st century. And that part is fine with me. But it still makes me worried. His tinkering worked with X-Men, but the stakes weren't near as high.

    Superman is an AMERICAN ICON. No offense to the X-Men, God love 'em. I, like everyone else, have been waiting a long time for a new Superman movie to get off the ground. If he screws this up, they won't let him even breathe on a comic book. At least, I wouldn't.

    I'm a BIG Superman fan. Probably because STM came out when I was at the right age to be swayed from sticking with Marvel's Spider-Man to jumping over to DC and flying with Supes. And I never looked back. Regardless of what people think of it nowadays, the movie's tag line was true. You will believe a man can fly. And I did. I still get chills when I see Reeve leave his perch in the Fortress and fly by the camera. And partly because it takes me back to my childhood.
    I got a little of that with the preview trailer for SR, but I don't know if Singer's going to be able to pull this one out.

    I have MANY problems with the film and the costume, but mostly Routh. He just doesn't have IT. (And I even live near his home town.) That star quality seems to be missing. I know people are tired of hearing this, but I kinda hoped Welling would pick it up...at the time. Or at least they would get a MAN to play the part and not continue the Hollywood trend of letting children play everything in town. Yes, I realize that these days you have to get the young guy so you can milk as many movies as possible out of him. I get it.

    Anyway, the suit sucks because it looks gay. They had to make it darker to take away some of the gayness. I suppose they can get a new guy if this one doesn't work out. Just like they do with Bond or Batman movies. I'll see the movie anyway...but I don't have to like it.

    -Solo
     
  27. Egon Spengler

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    I have to say that I'm not crazy about Routh... but Welling? No way.. No.. No.. NO. Routh, I have to admit, looks much more like a man that Welling. He looks more Superboy than even Routh.
     
  28. Primrodo

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    That I disagree with...Welling in Smallville looks young and boyish cause of makeup and his role. He at least is 6'4 and muscle bound and looks more liek Reeves than this kid.
     
  29. Solo

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    Yeah, I knew somebody would say that. I guess he does look "prettier" than Routh. But, when Smallville came on, I got that feeling I got when I saw Reeves fly for the first time. Sure Welling isn't the best actor in the world (neither was Reeves, if you remember), but he does have a presence. Mostly when he's doing the serious action scenes, looks more "manish". That makes me think he could be the big guy. But, I guess that's just me. Doesn't matter anyway. Routh is it.

    Smallville sucks right now, but maybe they'll extend Smallville into Metropolis and we'll have Superman on TV again. That would be cool. I really like Rosenbaum's Lex and would like to see how the arch enemies end up duking it out in the city.

    By the way, I think Routh is actually 6'4", himself. And I'm surprised they would put any extra padding on him. Looks like that's all him in the suit to me. I HATE those * short, shorts. The little chest emblem, the S on the belt...GAAAAAHHH... :angry

    -Solo
     
  30. BrundelFly

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    No offense, but you all sound like a bunch of WHINEY 3rd Graders.



    Its not 1978.

    He isnt Christopher Reeve.

    its not the same movie.

    Get over it.
     
  31. Solo

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    Yeah, you're right. But that's what we do here, that's what the forum is for. To speak our minds and share information and opinions. Whiny or not.

    No offense to YOU, but if you actually read my previous post, you might notice that I AM NOT saying I want Reeve's version back. (Who would?) But, that's exactly what Singer is trying to give us. He picked someone to fill Reeve's shoes and continue THAT story. By not creating a truly new vision of the character, he's missing a great opportunity to start fresh. That's why I'm worried. He's the one who's f**king in love with Reeve. I just said the old movie still has a nostalgic effect on me. And now I want the new movie to wow me.

    :cry

    -Solo
     
  32. B-Movie Zombie

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    The costume reminds me of Bizzaro then of Superman.
     
  33. mez7

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    singers said hes trying to somewhat carry one with donners movies, while not really.....dont know what that means exactly, but id say since he is paying homage id say that all the points are valid...


    so get over it.........:p


    i still worry that he was chosen becasue of his resemblance to reeve rather thant any acting ability,

    and is his being 6'4 confirmed??? as seeing him in the teaser next to bosworth he looks kind of just a bit taller than her, and shes not larger that 6ft for sure :p

    from what ive read of the script, i worry for this flick,
    wish they just started from scratch like batman begins rather than trying to tie in to the past movies....would have been easier and they could just point to that when the fans bring up the old movies, they arnt them.....but with bringing in the brando scenes, and all that, they are linking this to the old,

    which could be thier downfall as it will alienate alot of the older fans,
     
  34. hydin

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    hey.. i demand an apology.. i whine at a 6th grade level.

    :p

    seriously though, no one expects this guy to be reeve, but its hard to imagine someone doing a good enough job to unseat the "man behind the legend".

    for me though, its not so much the fact he isnt reeve. i was a huge fan of the lois and clark series, and dean cain is about as un"reeve" like as you can look. his take and the series take on superman was a lot different than all the movies. hell, even the superboy series was fun to watch.

    but in all the ways that i remember superman, its not a spandex'd muscle suited guy dressed in a suit made from a dodgeball. its a literal "big guy", who lends himself to the look of the part.

    granted, when keaton was cast as batman i was thinking "WTF?.?.?. MR MOM? WHAT THE HECK?". now, keaton is my favorite (next to bale). when they cast cain as superman i was thinking "WTF?.?.?.? HE DOESNT LOOK EVEN REMOTELY LIKE HIS SO CALLED KANSAS PARENTS" (this was pre-adoption storylines, when clarks birth was said to have taken place during a horrible winter). when i heard tom jane got the lead for punisher i was like "WTF???.?.?.?." and he NAILED the charactor so well that its now one of my favorite movies.

    now, seeing routh, and hearing singer spout off about his movie and how its new and original but keeping in with donners original ideas.... it makes me worried.

    will i see the movie? hell yea. will i like routh? dunno. will i like the movie? dunno. will i like the costume? nope. between the tiny S symbol and the "dodgeball" look of the costume (not to mention the rather dumb looking seams left there by the costume team), i can safely say i dont like it. i also dont like the 89 batman costume, but loved the returns armor.

    my main bitch point, and why the thread was started, was that i thought "HOLY CRAP THIS IS WHY IM HATING THIS SO MUCH.". i hated superman 3. its the only one i dont own on dvd, and refuse to watch to this day. the only good part of the movie was the clark vs superman fight. the rest gave me nightmares as a kid. the "evil superman" dark colors remind me so much of this films "darker" color, and my severe dislike of that movie. just irks me i guess.

    singers whole bit about "dark colors work now" is a load of BS. the whole point/counterpoint to the superman mythos in the comics was his city was bright and shiny and crime free, while gotham was dark and dreary and overall just crime ridden. thats why bats wears black/grey and supes wears blue and red and yellow.

    never want to compare routh to reeve without hearing lines being delivered, but on just looks, routh has much more of a "boyish" quality to him. considering this movie is set AFTER the reeve films... that doesnt work well with my logic. if the movies great, awesome. if it sucks, singers career is shot. simple as that. superman is a HUGE property, and while it took many years for WB to realize that JS couldnt pull a good batstory out of his * with astroglide and a pair of pliers, they redeemed themselves with begins. the first superman movie was a mega hit. the second pretty well. 3rd, not so great, 4th? well, it was interesting to watch... sort of. with returns, WB is gambling on the "old generation" watching, hence the voice overs and score on the trailer, and hoping to god they buy routh as the man o steel.

    im all for giving it a shot, and i hope to god its a good movie. scratch that. GREAT movie. spacey as lex is an AWESOME choice. the only one better would be rosenbaum with some makeup. for superman?.... routh may rock. dunno. but the costume flat out sucks. i can tell that much from the trailer, and publicity shots. no amount of good story will make me like it.

    and in the 2nd post of the new year for me, i realize its probably a miracle i got laid at all with as much geek point earning as i do here.

    ah well, new year, 6 months to D day, and so far theres already a prop i wanna own from the movie. it dont get much better than this :)

    chris
     
  35. Jet Beetle

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    Ummmm - No I don't remember. Reeve was a good actor and classicly trained. Go rent Somewhere In Time. Deathtrap.
     
  36. Pauleysolo

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    Agreed, Christopher Reeve was a tremendous actor. He also took the Superman role VERY seriously, as Margot Kidder has attested to many times.
     
  37. hydin

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    deathtrap is one of my favorite movies :lol

    after the superman films, he sort of pick and chose what films he wanted to be in. he did plays iirc most of the time.

    terrific actor. he took the superman role very seriously, and let the costume do the work for him when he was dressed as supes. dont confuse the man with the plot. lex nuking california to make a real estate bid is not exactly a wonderful plot. the actors, i gotta admit, were top notch though.

    chris
     
  38. Qui-Gonzalez

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    Saw more about the film on E. last week and they quoted his height as 6'2", not 6'4". He was talking about what kind of shape he had to be in (rofl).
     
  39. propsculptor

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    I found the source of where Brian Singer got the idea to add the "S" on he belt:
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  40. misterfusion

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    Okay then, I stand corrected. Singer was right and I was wrong. There IS precedence for having the logo on the belt.

    I doff my cap to you, Brian Singer, King of the Superman.

    (Dammit, where is the "Extreme Sarcasm" icon on this keyboard??? :confused )

    Steve
     
  41. Solo

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    AND it's made of flame retardant material. That's the mark of a true Superman costume. :thumbsup

    -Solo
     
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  43. Got Maul

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    just take this into mind...I remember a time when the XMEN movie first came out and man, we hated those suits and thought singer was really going to royally "F" this is up..but he didn;t...if anything he bolstered the XMEN fandom and heck, this board went crazy when David reproduced the suits .

    I am not saying we are going to love the outfit, but I am betting on the fact that the STORY and PLOT is going to outweigh all. I just watched all four films and if you really think about it...only Superman II really has a good plot. Superman The Movie just rode on its introduction coat tails, but everything else was really hoaky...

    Singer has at least acknowledged that he's not going to ride on the coat tails of retelling the beginning...to me he's taken the far bigger challenge, which is tell a good story admist the well known legend.
     
  44. Primrodo

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    Challenge or copout?

    A wise man once said: "Superman only works in his origin, his growth. Because once he puts on the suit, thats the happy ending."

    This is why Smallville works so well.

    It would have been wiser to remake the orgin properly without unnessesary plot additions liek Lois' kid or even the Donner movies Pa Kent dying (in the comics hes alive and very well).

    Look at Birthright, someone could have brought that to the screen and man would that have rocked.

    As for teh costume vs Singers X-men costumes...X-Men changed their costumes ALL the time. Granted some thought it was cheesy to use leather, I still do, but its acceptable.

    Now Superman hasn't changed his costume basics since day one. Granted they have refined the \S/, but otherwise the basic concept hasn;t changed. This Routh costume is a dramic departure from any incarnation. Even Cain's costume had a differnt belt and lower shorts, and awesome cape, darker colours, but not many complained the same as this costume. Cains was differnt and yet added something unique with the embroidery and colours. His costume was still Superman and it kept up for 4 years of television and though it had its bumps...

    The point is many dislike the costume because its not Superman its Supercoolalienman. I don;t see Superman when I see Routh in the costume. I do with Reeve, Cain, Welling (thanks alex ross.) and even the cartoon versions.

    Every excuse on why the costume is why it is, is bogus. Singer made a toy figure.
     
  45. DuneMuadDib

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    Actually back in 78 when Superman was made Pa Kent was dead in the comics (so was Ma). It's only in Post-Crisis continuity that he's alive.
     
  46. Qui-Gonzalez

    Qui-Gonzalez Master Member

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    Thank you John Byrne. :D I miss his work on Supes.
     
  47. tgreco

    tgreco Sr Member

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    I gotta say it
    I'm eating my words here

    After taking a second look at the Singer Supes casting choice and costume It's not so bad...

    "What...???" you say

    well, I ran across this James Carsons production artist portfolio while I was doing some digging around on another movie subject

    and low and behold I found one of the concepts for a new Superman costume

    after reading about all the infighting involved while superman was in production hell, and some of the ideas they had for reimagining superman all I can say is
    Be very happy this didn't get the final approval...

    http://home.earthlink.net/~jimtheviking/_wsn/page3.html


    And what's with the wires coming out of his head???
     
  48. mtsbspidey

    mtsbspidey Well-Known Member

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    "and low and behold I found one of the concepts for a new Superman costume"

    god i hate that design...at least the routh costume looks like superman...you might not like the details...but you can instantly tell who he's supposed to be...skott
     

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