Originally posted by Funky Jedi@Feb 10 2006, 06:30 PM
Like I said, it was just a rumor...
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You heard right. It's not just a rumor. It was the excuse offered as to why Greg took off with our money. But please disregard it, because
that wasn't the truth--but
this time it's the truth. A-ho. It's the
C&D that told Greg to steal people's money, not the
other excuse.
This time it's legit, so hey, no worries.
As long as someone says "C&D" it's okay to screw people over.
:thumbsup
Note to self: Offer a lot of products peple want. Take their money. Run away. Get a friend to say it was a C&D. Then it'll be okay.
Then it'll be okay. Then it'll be okay...
Originally posted by Rodann@Feb 10 2006, 05:52 PM
As for not getting money back, guys, you have to understand that this is not a "business".
Oooooh okay, I'm really sorry then for wanting my money back. All this time I figured, "hey, people shouldn't steal from others." What an idiot I am...
We pay for things out of pocket, or with prepays, and hope all goes well. If Greg got a C&D, then there was no way he could recoup that money.
If you start a project,
you sure as hell better 1) deliver products or 2) refund money.
You are the one taking the risk in producing a run.
You extend this risk onto
yourself thinking you will make off better at the end (for profit or fame). In a Free Market, no one forces you to do this. Greg
willingly started a project, then screwed everyone over. It is
his personal responsibility to 1) deliver products or 2) refund money.
What the hell happened to
personal accountability?. It has
nothing to do with following corporate practice, or selling on E-Bay, or selling to a buddy.
You have a personal obligation to fulfill your end of the bargain. Otherwise you have imposed costs onto others. You have violated the fundamental charter of society (willing social cooperation).
Jim, you're a nice guy for empathizing with Greg, but it is
no one's right to make excuses for him. I hope this Stockholm Syndrome wont spread.
Personal accountability, guys. Murderers and rapists don't have it. I hope
we do.
At the time, he was just starting a family, and complaining about needing money.
Then don't extend this risk onto yourself if you
know there's a damn good chance you could screw your family over. Greg knew this and
still went ahead with the project. He got screwed, and decided to bend all of us over and make
us take it in the $#@
for him. Sorry, but I'm not willing to prostrate myself for him.
And let's face it, how much does he REALLY owe individuals? $20? $50? maybe $100? I know a guy in the UK who ripped me off for $365. There's a guy in Australia who took me for $275. And there's a guy in Florida who took me and 18 others for $1000 EACH.
OOooh sweet. As long as I steal in increments of $20 or $50, I'll be fiiiine. I get it now. Okay, I'm going to go to the bank--I'll be right back....
Come on...
And it is entirely unreasonable to expect Greg to just pull the $4,000, he supposedly owes all together, out of his arse.
I know, I know... This I agree with. We should just take his screw up into
our collective arses. But really, you go first...
He was probably too ASHAMED to show his face.
I feel terrible asking for my money back now...
oh wait.
First off, I was the one who mentioned Greg's religious overtones three years ago, with comments from him like "this hobby is evil". NOT Gav.
A few people have said Gav was the one who said it. This is what I tend to remember as well. If this is
not the case, then I apologize to Gav--Gav, I'm sorry for that.
That aside, we
stil have conflicting
excuses for a thief.
He got a C&D, and because he's always tried to do the right thing, he's probably felt like he was stuck between a rock and a hard place.
How about being stuck between delivering products or returning people's money? That's a much nicer place to be. A rock and hard place... that's rough. But props and cash? Niiice.
Can't produce, or he's legally and financially screwed......can't refund, or he's financially screwed.
Personal accountability, my friend. It's no individual's fault for Greg's misfortune than Greg himself. It was his will alone that set his mind in motion to offer the props. It was his will alone that had him
take people's money. It was his will alone that he came to the enlightened conclusion that keeping people's money was better than doing what's ethical. He took the easy path--the wrong path.