Exedge/Greg Parker

Discussion in 'Replica Props' started by gavidoc, Feb 9, 2006.

  1. gavidoc

    gavidoc Well-Known Member

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    No. He did not "find religion" and leave people high and dry as a result.

    He chose to play nice and stop dealing.
     
  2. Gytheran

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    You have a funny idea of "playing nice". I call it * us over...
     
  3. gavidoc

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    the answer is in my post.

    you just have to look for it.
     
  4. gavidoc

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    Just want everyone to know, you'll never see any stuff or money. Illegal prop collecting is like playing craps.

    Sometimes you do great, other times, the House wins and you crap out.

    This is one of those cases.
     
  5. Sumatra

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  6. synasp

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    Illegal what? I just sent him money for a product that he never sent. :angel

    He can keep the stuff. I want my money.
     
  7. gavidoc

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    Unless you purchase a licensed product, you are buying an illegal prop.

    The heck with it. I'll just come out and say it.

    There is no money. You will never see your money. Nor will you see your product.

    People ever wonder why Greg just mysteriously disappeared so quickly? Why he wasn't seen or heard from for quite some time?

    He was issued a Cease and Desist. I don't remember all the sorid details about the whole ordeal but in a nutshell, the product that Greg had made using people's money is now in limbo and will never be seen.

    IIRC, it was made quite clear to the machine shop that they were to no longer make any parts associated with Star Wars.

    The parts you've seen Greg sell on ebay are parts left over from previous runs of stuff from what I know.

    You have never seen any of the ESB muzzles that you all paid for and I designed being sold, you don't ever see the Kamino darts I created for him being sold. Old lightsaber parts is all.

    Like I said, you play craps with illegal prop vendors and you run the risk of crapping out.

    Our hobby strives on people prepaying for stuff to be made. You take the risk that that vendor who used your money to build the product gets in trouble with the Studios. When that happens, you're crap out of luck.
     
  8. evpi50

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    Good lord


    So much anger



    "illegal props" Love to see the definition

    I would then suggest that this thread be deleted because the funds will "NEVER"
    be returned.

    Amazing how you put out your hand to help some people and they are so quick to cast
    a negative light.
     
  9. mbmcfarland

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    I second gav's comments: We are always take a chance when we buy "fan made" items. Greg's a good guy and I personally have no hard feelings about the lost money/product.

    :confused I'm still looking for a good ESB suppressor, though... anybody want to try again? :D

    -MBM
     
  10. gavidoc

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    Completely not my intention to cast you in a negative light. Seriously.

    Illegal props. In the eyes of the law, yes, illegal. Just being honest. No different then unlicensed. So many people seem to forget the 2 are connected so I use the more harsh of the two terms.

    As for "Never" returned, that's exactly it. It'd be different if Greg had "found religion" as one of the rumors was and just decided to screw everyone. If he had chosen to join the Bad Vendors bandwagon, but he didn't Choose to do it.

    It was chosen for him. He offered some of the best "bang for the buck" prop parts ever and was even willing to help people who were screwed by Jedi135. We used the same shop as Jedi135 and sent the uncollected parts to those who had ordered from Jedi135 that we could verify. We paid the machine shop for those parts out of our own pocket to help people out as Jedi135 had never paid the machine shop.

    Then members here start screaming that he's out to screw them. That he's become another Jedi135, or EDC or any number of others. I had been dropping clues as to what had happened for quite a while before I left and since I came back. Yet people decided to ignore the obvious IMO and chose to form a lynch mob.

    Just * me off is all.
     
  11. Treadwell

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    And that gives him reign to keep our money how?
     
  12. Darkknight0667

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    Okay, Gav, so he got a C&D and can no longer provide folks with the pieces they ordered (thanks for coming out and saying that, I couldn't decipher your clues either - they were pretty obscure). Why is there no way for these people to get their money back from him? MBM says that he's a good guy, and you seem to be implying the same thing in your post. Why, then, does he feel no obligation to get folks back the money that he was paid? It seems that a "good guy" would strive to do that, even if it meant digging into his own pocket. To contact folks privately and work out a payment schedule would be the right thing to do.

    As for folks forming a lynch mob, can you really blame them? These people sent this guy their hard earned money expecting something in return. He didn't deliver, and disappeared with no explanation (until you came out with one today - cryptic clues don't count). What did you expect them to think?
     
  13. gavidoc

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    How might I ask is he supposed to provide monetary compensation when the money you sent was used to make the product.

    Greg wasn't like most vendors. He didn't charge a huge markup on his product. On average, the markup he charged for a part was 10% of the price. You paid $30 for the part, the part cost around $27. That extra 10% covered the cost of finishing the parts once they were back from the shop.

    Now it would be different IMO if he charged 100% markup on the parts. Then I'd be like, "Dude, I want my money. Or at least some of it."

    Yet, people knew that Exedge didn't charge a huge markup and he was out to help the collector. Instead, how about saying, "Dude, sorry about the C&D, and the lawsuit that almost shoved you into financial oblivion. Don't worry about the $30."


    As for the clues. Well, notice in my first post that C, and, and D are all in italics.

    Put them together....C&D.
     
  14. Chingon

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    Maybe if Greg had been honest with people from the very beginning, then none of this would've happened. However, that isn't what went down. After almost 3 years we hear this story and now all is supposed to be forgiven? Sorry, but that just doesn't fly with me. At this point I don't care if I get my money back or not. I would be much happier to see a criminal get his. And that is exactly what Greg has become in my eyes. A criminal.
     
  15. Treadwell

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    Gotta grant ya that Greg offered the most affordable machined parts of quality before or since.

    I just find it odd that a relatively low-key guy like him would get a C&D while the likes of EDC, with a brash website and all, hasn't (AFAIK). And over machined parts, which we (or at least I) had never heard of garning this kind of LFL attention before.

    Not to mention him ignoring everyone. If he was of the "hey guys, I got really hit with this deal, and the community has gotten really great parts at a really great price from me for a while, so can ya give a little love back on this one, please" mindset, he's had three years to express it.

    Instead he just let everyone stew, screwed. Where's the love THERE?
     
  16. Gytheran

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    So Gav, what type of business arrangement did you have with Greg for these items he sold that YOU designed?
     
  17. The Hopkinator

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    Agreed . Had he truly found God, this thread wouldnt be alive.
     
  18. mbmcfarland

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    I admit that I never noticed any of Gav's earlier clues, but I did catch the italics. I am a little surprised that this never came out before, but I think the whole situation makes perfect sense now. I don't know Exedge personally or anything, but I had some dealings with him in the past and never believed that he suddenly decided to screw everybody out of $4K or whatever the amount was.

    It sounds like the C&D was targeted at the shop too, so maybe they were doing more than just Exedge / Jedi135 stuff.

    As for Exedge ignoring everyone... if I got a C&D I wouldn't go around telling everybody about it and advertising my own guilt either. That just provides more evidence for a potential lawsuit. He probably just dropped the whole deal like it never happened and moved on, which is kind of the point of the order right?
     
  19. Darkknight0667

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    There would have been no need to advertise the explanation, if he didn't want to. A very simple, "@#$%. happened and this stuff isn't going to get made. Can't talk about it publicly, so if you're affected and want to know PM me your phone number and I'll explain privately. It's going to take some time, but I'm going to work at getting everyone their money back. Please be patient and all will be taken care of." Then, you start at the top of the list and send out whatever you can each week until folks are all paid off. I'm sure if that route were taken, I'm sure that many of the folks would have actually refused some, if not all, of their repayment in the name of helping a "good guy" out.

    Not really. The point of a C&D is to get you to stop what you're doing or else a lawsuit will be field. It's a warning shot across your bow, not a license to disappear, leaving people feeling cheated.
     
  20. synasp

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  21. synasp

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    What the hell is going on here.? We're defending @#$%.bags now?

    Gavidoc: In the past Exedge thread, you gave the excuse that Greg "found religion." Now you retract this excuse, claiming it is not the case. Now the excuse is "Greg got a C&D" instead.

    What's with the conflicting stories? Why are you covering up for Exedge?

    What's your level of involvement with Greg's business?

    You, sir, owe all those who got scammed--as well as the general morality/ethics of the community--an explanation as to why you are defending your buddy.



    When I start a project, I take the gamble I could be screwed over--not my customers. This is business and personal ethics. You can't steal people's money and run away. It tends to be illegal as well as unethical. Do you need an explanation of why it's unethical?
     
  22. Gytheran

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    Now? :lol :lol :lol :lol
     
  23. synasp

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    Good point, but that doesn't mean we have to allow it to continue.

    I, for one, would like some answers...
     
  24. Rodann

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    Gav, thanks for the explanation. Now I can finally put a reason to Greg's dropping off the planet. I knew Jeff's shop was in trouble, but since they helped Tim screw ME over, I couldn't care less. They still have parts I had them make, but I'm not paying for. But that explains a lot. Just wish he could have returned my calls and notes left in his door.

    As for not getting money back, guys, you have to understand that this is not a "business". I don't know why people here constantly use phrases like "customer service" and "refund". These are things companies can afford to do, not Greg, not me. This is just fans making stuff. We are not MR. We pay for things out of pocket, or with prepays, and hope all goes well. If Greg got a C&D, then there was no way he could recoup that money. At the time, he was just starting a family, and complaining about needing money. The parts were made by the shop, they can't be UNmade. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't be able to refund imaginary funds, either.

    And let's face it, how much does he REALLY owe individuals? $20? $50? maybe $100? I know a guy in the UK who ripped me off for $365. There's a guy in Australia who took me for $275. And there's a guy in Florida who took me and 18 others for $1000 EACH. You think it's easy to just "refund" everybody Greg owes? Hell, I owe around $10,000 in credit card debt. By your account, I should just be able to "work that out". Unfortunately, with car payments, a mortgage, utilities, etc..............I simply CAN'T. And it is entirely unreasonable to expect Greg to just pull the $4,000, he supposedly owes all together, out of his *.

    As for his lack of communication, well...........knowing Greg like I did, and now knowing what REALLY happened, I can tell you this- He was probably too ASHAMED to show his face. We swore we'd never end up like Jedi135, and then this goes and happens. Now this all makes sense.

    Whoa, there. Slow down, cowboy. THIS is the uninformed "lynch mob" mentality Gav is talking about.................You've got two different revisionist misconceptions in the same question:

    First off, I was the one who mentioned Greg's religious overtones three years ago, with comments from him like "this hobby is evil". NOT Gav.


    Secondly, I NEVER said he suddenly "found religion". That is the misquoted SLANT the RPF put on it, thinking he suddenly BECAME religious. He was already religious. Gav may have repeated what I said, but I've been seeing the "he found religion" quotes both here, and at TDH, and it's NOT what I said. Funny how people distort things just because they're angry.

    And "defending dirtbags"? I can think of a few ACTUAL dirtbags who are rabidly defended on other forums, hell they're even ADMINS. But Greg-? A dirtbag? Sorry, but no. He got a C&D, and because he's always tried to do the right thing, he's probably felt like he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Can't produce, or he's legally and financially screwed......can't refund, or he's financially screwed. Other guys- like GF for example- thumb their noses at a C&D and get ANOTHER one. That's what Greg feared most- becoming one of those guys out for a buck.

    Ironically, if he WERE one of those guys, he would have made enough of a profit off YOU guys, to be able to AFFORD some sort of compensation. But hey, screw HIM, right?
     
  25. Funky

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    Hey guys. My comment about Greg "finding religion" was just something I heard from a few people in passing. I personally have nothing against Greg. I once purchased something from him and he came through, no problems, so I meant no disrespect to him or anyone else. Like I said, it was just a rumor and I didn't mean it to come off as derrogatory (sp?). If anyone wants me to remove that from my previous post, just let me know and I'll do so promptly.
     
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  27. Treadwell

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    Rodann, there is no "slant" or "distort(ing) things when they are angry". It's perfectly understandable to confuse "already religious" and "recently religious" after three friggin' years.

    Moreover, I remember the "recent" aspect of that thread, too. You were a participant in that thread. I don't recall you making this correction at the time.

    Even so, you brought it to the attention of the RPF (thank you for that correction, BTW) that Greg, after all that time participating and contributing to the hobby, had suddenly proclaimed it was evil for religious reasons. Whether or not he was already religious, this change of attitude was sudden, so I don't see the point in splitting this hair.

    It's great an all that Greg was so afraid of becoming one of the bad guys, but if he was so concerned about it he could've swallowed a little pride and filled us in on what was going on. But he just stopped replying to anyone. That isn't embarassment, that's plain rude. And irresponsible. People here don't have crystal balls; what else were we to conclude after he clammed up with our money? The individual amounts isn't the point.

    At the time, you, like Gav, like the rest of us, were befuddled by his sudden abandonment of his customers*. Now you, like Gav, are covering for him.

    What the heck is going on here?.



    *(Yes, CUSTOMERS. He took our money in exchange for promised goods. We are his customers, period.)
     
  28. vaderdarth

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    There is always the good ole fashioned "show up at his house and collect your $$". I promise you that if he'd kept my hard earned money just because he'd received a C&D letter as his sole excuse.............He'd be getting a personal visit from me.

    Stealing is stealing no matter what a group of LFL lawyers have to say to the thief. I can promise you that being a Christian, I would do everything in my power until the end of my days to return the $$ I'd received from customers in the event that I saw no way to ever come thru on the product they paid for. Anyone can understand that the money all went into the product and that the product might have been confiscated by LFL...........but there is absolutely nothing stopping the guy from making good one on the refunds one CUSTOMER at a time. A little humility goes a long way with me. A complete lack of communication and refusal to even try to make it right..........is inexcusable.

    Dave :(
     
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  30. synasp

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    You heard right. It's not just a rumor. It was the excuse offered as to why Greg took off with our money. But please disregard it, because that wasn't the truth--but this time it's the truth. A-ho. It's the C&D that told Greg to steal people's money, not the other excuse. This time it's legit, so hey, no worries. :) As long as someone says "C&D" it's okay to screw people over. :D :thumbsup

    Note to self: Offer a lot of products peple want. Take their money. Run away. Get a friend to say it was a C&D. Then it'll be okay.

    Then it'll be okay. Then it'll be okay...

    Oooooh okay, I'm really sorry then for wanting my money back. All this time I figured, "hey, people shouldn't steal from others." What an idiot I am...

    If you start a project, you sure as hell better 1) deliver products or 2) refund money. You are the one taking the risk in producing a run. You extend this risk onto yourself thinking you will make off better at the end (for profit or fame). In a Free Market, no one forces you to do this. Greg willingly started a project, then screwed everyone over. It is his personal responsibility to 1) deliver products or 2) refund money.

    What the hell happened to personal accountability?. It has nothing to do with following corporate practice, or selling on E-Bay, or selling to a buddy. You have a personal obligation to fulfill your end of the bargain. Otherwise you have imposed costs onto others. You have violated the fundamental charter of society (willing social cooperation).

    Jim, you're a nice guy for empathizing with Greg, but it is no one's right to make excuses for him. I hope this Stockholm Syndrome wont spread.

    Personal accountability, guys. Murderers and rapists don't have it. I hope we do.

    Then don't extend this risk onto yourself if you know there's a * good chance you could screw your family over. Greg knew this and still went ahead with the project. He got screwed, and decided to bend all of us over and make us take it in the $#@ for him. Sorry, but I'm not willing to prostrate myself for him.

    OOooh sweet. As long as I steal in increments of $20 or $50, I'll be fiiiine. I get it now. Okay, I'm going to go to the bank--I'll be right back....

    Come on...

    I know, I know... This I agree with. We should just take his screw up into our collective arses. But really, you go first...

    I feel terrible asking for my money back now...

    oh wait.

    A few people have said Gav was the one who said it. This is what I tend to remember as well. If this is not the case, then I apologize to Gav--Gav, I'm sorry for that.

    That aside, we stil have conflicting excuses for a thief.

    How about being stuck between delivering products or returning people's money? That's a much nicer place to be. A rock and hard place... that's rough. But props and cash? Niiice.

    Personal accountability, my friend. It's no individual's fault for Greg's misfortune than Greg himself. It was his will alone that set his mind in motion to offer the props. It was his will alone that had him take people's money. It was his will alone that he came to the enlightened conclusion that keeping people's money was better than doing what's ethical. He took the easy path--the wrong path.
     
  31. synasp

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    Well he's got $56.50 of my bucks. A couple thousand of other people's. It doesn't seem to bother him very much...

    YES. We agree on something. Screw him. He has no problems * us. He would have needed to charge more to make a bigger profit. Some people would have opted to not buy. This is all Free Market dynamics at work. Greg broke the rules, and people continue to make excuses for him.
     
  32. gavidoc

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    Jay,

    You are right. At the time I also had NO IDEA what happened. Then one day while I was cleaning out my garage, I found an old package that had Greg's address on it. I thought, what the hell, I'll write him a real letter. Couldn't remember the last time I did that. In it I included a photo of my daughter (last time I had talked to Greg, my wife wasn't even pregnant) and my phone number. About a week later I got a call from him.

    Even in our phone conversation, he didn't even want to tell me what had happened. He was that ashamed. I had to force what happened out of him.

    This all happened 3 years ago so please forgive me as I try to recall all that transpired.

    IIRC, it happened 3/4 of the way through the Kamino Dart project. Darts had been machined, etc. Jeff (the owner of the machine shop) calls Greg to tell him he just received a call from a lawyer. Greg, the same day receives a letter from LFL.

    As part of the agreement to prevent a lawsuit, the biggest part involved NO mention of it (the letter) to any prop collecting community. That's why no one ever heard from Greg. That's why he disappeared. LFL was threatening a lawsuit of a HUGE sum of money if Greg notified the community. He didn't even tell me he got a C&D.

    Yet, when on the phone a guy you call a friend tells you that the license holder isn't happy with him, he gets a call from a LFL lawyer and he isn't supposed to talk about it, you put 2 and 2 together and don't get 5.

    As for covering for him, nope.

    Just get * off when a good man is dragged through the mud as a result of something he had no control over and that tied his hands.

    This was a classic "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.

    Do you tell your little customers and * off a lumbering giant, or do you do what the giant says and * off the little customers?
     
  33. synasp

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    I tell my little customers I got screwed, but they will get their money back because that's the right thing to do.
     
  34. gavidoc

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    Our agreement had many angles.

    #1. We were buds. He had the capabilities to machine parts for low cost and I had the ability to create more accurate cad data then what he was using.

    #2. We both wanted to provide cost effective parts to the masses with very little markup and no gimmick.

    #3. We did it for the fun of the hobby and to add some really cool pieces to our collections.

    #4. In return for my cad work (which to be honest with you guys isn't hard) I'd get a free prop which I would then finish up myself and sell to make my money if I wanted.

    #5. I wanted to royally @#$%. with the profit margin of a couple vendors at the time who were charging outrageous markups on their product because they felt they could. Supply and demand was in full effect so I looked for a way to screw with their demand to lower their prices.


    In a nutshell, we were crusaders who hated to see the little guy getting screwed by vendors who would charge a 100% markup. There was a lot of that going on at the time. Not so much anymore, but it was bad back then. From that, a friendship grew. Perfect example Joe, who else do you think could offer a GK bracket for $50 or was it $75? MOst people charged $75 or a freaking flash hider at the time.

    That was what our business arrangement was.
     
  35. gavidoc

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    Like I said, which do you do? Tell the customers and * off the giant or appease the giant and * off the customers?

    If you were personally told if you mentioned anything to anyone that LFL would sue you for $100,000 plus punitive (I made that number up), would you really give a rat's * about $4,000 owed to other people?
     
  36. synasp

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    Sorry, my sarcasm made what I said unclear. It's hard to control sometimes.

    What I meant to say is that even with a C&D in place, it is not entirely a zero sum game. There is a third option you aren't mentioning.

    I can appease both parties, * only myself. I say to LFL, "sorry... I will do as you say." Then I say to my customers, "Sorry guys, I'm not able to delliver, but thank you for your patience as I try to refund everyone as I can."

    Then skip meals if I have to to get every cent back.

    But are you saying LFL told Greg he can't pay people back their money? Because that's absurd.
     
  37. vaderdarth

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    Gav, that is utter bull crap. He doesn't have to say a thing about the mess to the customers...........he just sends a freakin check to them. It ain't rocket science. Is doing the right thing that doggone foreign to you????

    Dave :(
     
  38. gavidoc

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    Dave,

    Where in any of my posts on this matter did I say I agreed with the way he handled things?

    There shouldn't be and if there is, hey, I'm human like everyone else.
     
  39. synasp

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    Then you agree Greg owes people money, and should pay them back ASAP?
     
  40. gavidoc

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    I believe in the old monniker: Actions speak louder then words.

    Here's a portion of a post I made to my good friend "O Johnny Boy" on another forum.

    What would I have done if it happened to me? Well, in a way it did. FedEx Ground @#$%.ed up a shippment of pommels big time while ont he way back from the plater.

    Instead of running with the money and telling eveyone to go kiss off, I got a lawyer, sued FedEx, won, and used the money that was left after his fees to remake the pommels for everyone. Those who wanted a refund got one.

    All in all, that project took over a year to complete and ended well after I quit collecting.

    So spare the conspiracy theory commentary. Really gets old man.
     
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  41. SFPROPS

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    Bears repeating. Sounds like Greg gambled, loss and is expecting everyone else to pay for his loss. I can empathize with giving him time to get a loan or something, but people expect to get something when they pay money. Otherwise, you are dealing with a thief. As it's been pointed out, there was nothing to stop him from slowly paying back the people he owed which he apparently has chosen NOT to do.
     
  42. Apollo

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    :rolleyes Yeah right. :rolleyes
     
  43. micdavis

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    So is it time to put a halt to the projects where money is provided up front.

    How about an RPF rule about that?

    Would seem to halt these types of problems.

    Sure some projects might suffer, but if you want to run a project, you need to be willing to front the money.

    Roman seems to do alright, and Rylo, and any number of other folks. Frankly if you aren't financially sound to do a run on your own, then you probably shouldn't.

    If you don't have it, don't sell it. Shouldn't that the mantra around here?
     
  44. evpi50

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    http://faultgame.com/images/game1.wav

    I know I said I would no longer post to this thread but I do find it interesting that
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    refuses to refund money to folks on this board





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  45. NEKROFANATIC

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    "As part of the agreement to prevent a lawsuit, the biggest part involved NO mention of it (the letter) to any prop collecting community. That's why no one ever heard from Greg. That's why he disappeared. LFL was threatening a lawsuit of a HUGE sum of money if Greg notified the community. He didn't even tell me he got a C&D."

    So, now that the prop community KNOWS about the C&D, I guess LFL is going to sue. Sucks to be Greg. 3 years with nary a worry of a lawsuit and all of a sudden. BAM. The C&D is public knowledge. Now what?
     
  46. Apollo

    Apollo Legendary Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    :lol Yeah and hopefully gavidoc's name is listed on the Suit. :lol
     
  47. gavidoc

    gavidoc Well-Known Member

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    Apollo and Nekrofanatic,

    Please see this portion of a post to Treadwell before jumping the gun.

     
  48. Darth Bill

    Darth Bill Well-Known Member

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    That has to be the most absurd thing I've read yet in six years here.... :confused

    You're trying to tell us that a company worth hundreds of millions strong-armed a guy with a few thousands of dollars worth of goods from talking to some Internet geeks...

    Yeah, I totally buy that. :lol :lol :lol


    Feels like:

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    "All is well. They said they'd kick his dog. They said they'd put hot water in his goldfish bowl. They said they'd leave all the lights in his house on when he wasn't home. They said they'd send 30 pizzas to his house. That is why you should not worry about your money."


    Sheesh. :lol




    Russ
     
  49. belloq

    belloq Well-Known Member

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    -Interesting idea- perhaps a separate thread about this concept is in order. I would prefer that method, but I guess a second option would be- in order to ask for money up front, before money is exchanged, all investing participants must formally agree to become "partners" in the project so that all participants including the project manager take equal risk of loss if the project fails or is ceased by external parties.
     
  50. gavidoc

    gavidoc Well-Known Member

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    Just typing what I was told Russ.
     

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