Evolution of the Y-Wing

...and a big bulge at the rear end,...not to mention that the engine "nacelles" are now enclosed. Didn't they always need to be?
No,..then why did they enclose them? That adds weight.


Oh, I agree that SW and any other property need not be analyzed any further than "Because it looks cool".
I was just saying.....
 
I remember reading somewhere that technology and design took a step backward under the Empire, due to their crushing grip on everything.

Scott
 
While I like your idea of the "complete" Y-Wing over the newest one,...the cross-Section one still makes sense from the standpoint of interior space.
The new design shows a LOT of interior space. For WHAT?
If it was empty space, why have those panels there?
If something was in there,..equipment, fuel, etc.,...What are we now missing from the Y-Wing? Is the performance now altered?

Your interpretation is very nice indeed, (I like the reverse curve to the front fuse), but it implies that it had a vertical stab that was unnecessary. How did that get past the designers?
Not complaining, mind you. It is a very nice rendition.
Thanks for posting pics.

...and a big bulge at the rear end,...not to mention that the engine "nacelles" are now enclosed. Didn't they always need to be?
No,..then why did they enclose them? That adds weight.


Oh, I agree that SW and any other property need not be analyzed any further than "Because it looks cool".
I was just saying.....

How about this...

The weight saved after stripping off most of the body and engine nacelle panels allowed technitions to eliminate the extra repulsorlift elements that were located... on either side of the neck.

And which bulge were you referring to? The one on top/rear, or that 'fantail' structure at the tip end?

Mark
 
How about this...
The weight saved after stripping off most of the body and engine nacelle panels allowed technitions to eliminate the extra repulsorlift elements that were located... on either side of the neck.

Fine,..but wouldn't the engineers have figured that out BEFORE production even began?

I think it would be more like it had to do with endurance.
I.E., longer range, or maybe extra crew.
Didnt the Y-Wing have a second seat that was left unmanned in ANH?
Perhaps thats why. It cant carry life-support for another crew.


And which bulge were you referring to? The one on top/rear, or that 'fantail' structure at the tip end?

Both, I guess.

If there was a bulge, then SOMETHING must have been under there that is not there now.

I know we have already put more thought into it than LF ever will. But it would be nice if they say something to indicate a reason behind it all.

NOT holding my breath though.
 
Has anyone considered that it gives George an excuse to regurgitate and license and sell a new version of the Y-Wing because now it looks different?

I'd bet money THAT was the reason behind the "engineering" lol.

I know... I'm SOOOO cynical...

JV
 
Has anyone considered that it gives George an excuse to regurgitate and license and sell a new version of the Y-Wing because now it looks different?

I'd bet money THAT was the reason behind the "engineering" lol.

I know... I'm SOOOO cynical...

JV

Actually, I think that IS too cynical. LFL can liscence any design, new or old. Retro-fitting an OT design is just the kind of thing that fans have been complaining about not seeing. That's like saying 'George is just throwing in all those (insert cool spaceship, droid, or blaster here) just to get the fan's money...'

Entertaining us is just a cheap trick get us to watch... If he were really concerned about what the fans want, he would give us something boring and unfamiliar so we wouldn't have to waste our time even seeing it or buying mechandise, etc. Boy, George is just being greedy...

Mark
 
Dude...

George IS just throwing in all those (insert cool spaceship, droid, or blaster here) just to get the fan's money lol.
 
They force us to buy these things, evil corporations. If they just would stop selling things and trying to separate people from there money. The poor collectors could rest in peace.:cry

If they would have just stopped at Star Wars, and not made ESB they could have saved us all those useless re-releases of actions figures in different clothing. How many versions Luke do you need. Stop with the greed George, AHHHHHHH:lol
 
LFL is a business, like any other. I never understood why people got all uppity when they come up with a new product to sell. That's what a business does, figure out ways to make money.

Scott
 
I remember reading somewhere that technology and design took a step backward under the Empire, due to their crushing grip on everything.

Scott

Correct, that was mentioned often in some interviews of the prequel designers and conversation with GL. Years of Imperial rule and rebellion have allowed things to fall into a state of disrepair, giving the dirty, grimy look of the OT. The prequels were meant to show the Galactic Republic at it's peak and then subsequent fall. So prequel ships and designs SHLOUD be more "modern" looking.
 
A little late here, but I find it interesting that the artist also emulated Joe Johnston's handwriting style on the notes........

Gene
 
Is it just me, or does it appear that the Star Wars universe technology went backwards through the prequels to the OT? To me, the OT Y-Wing (and other ships) look older than the designs we saw in the prequels.

Sean


That was the point. The ships in the Prequels were supposed to represent a time when things were more elegant and artistic. That's why everything in the OT is beat up and used.
 
I like the new design. There are a million reasons for the extra inside space - why does it matter?
A book like Cross-Sections will come along to come up with an in-universe explanation. It happens all the time. Everything in Star Wars is built to look cool first - science fantasy more than science fiction.
 
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A sailing ship is more elegant than a destroyer, and an old wood and brass gun is prettier than an AK or M16...if looks counted.
 
Is it just me, or does it look like the upper guns have a bubble canopy? I'm guessing we're getting a turret gunner like the early McQuerrie designs. Too cool:cool

Brian
 
I find it interesting that the artist also emulated Joe Johnston's handwriting style on the notes........

Gene

That's pretty standard on concept art. Joe Johnson wasn't unique to this. I learned this in drafting class back in 1980. I see current Product Design done in a similar way.

I like the design. I hope they show more concept sketches.

FB
 
That's pretty standard on concept art. Joe Johnson wasn't unique to this. I learned this in drafting class back in 1980. I see current Product Design done in a similar way.

Did anyone actually mention that the line art is intentionally drawn after Joe Johnston's style? Not a bad stab at it either. Is this one of Feng Zhu's pieces? Have a look at the black and white line art and it's even more apparent.

I like the design. I hope they show more concept sketches.
FB

Likewise. It's quite elegant. Nicer than the DK book. I do have issues with the structure, though. If you imagine all this armour or fairing on top of the original structure, it really makes less than no sense. After all, what we see in the OT is not the structure of the ship, it's a layer of equipment of various sorts around the structural core of the fuselage. So this design would have a structural core, a layer of equipment, a big void space with mounting points, and a streamlined shell. Heavy! Why wouldn't it just be a monocoque?

There should also be some evidence of hefty mounting points on the classic model and there just isn't. (Just look at how even a motorcycle's fairing is attached, some time.) We know that even the stripped version has long range, so it's probably not fuel tanks, and we know it can operate effectively in atmosphere, so it's not actual streamlining. So what the heck is the fairing for? Does this version of the ship actually have the classic stripped structure inside it? My theory is no, E.G:

1) Republic builds Y-wings
2) Republic trashes Y-wings in fighting or training over many years
3) Rebel Alliance finds storehouse of trashed Y-wings
4) Rebel Alliance says "hey, these things still have pretty good cockpits, and the engines were well maintained. The spaceframes are pretty well shot from fatigue, though. Hey! We could ditch them, and build our own fuselages out of old girders instead!"

It's dumb, but so's Star Wars. :)

BTW the turret isn't just domed, it's way larger.

Cheers,
Martyn
 
Actually, according to the official Star Wars Sketch Book printed in 1977 on page 83 says; "Conceptually, the slick body shell once covered the length of the craft until Rebel mechanics, tired of frequent breakdowns, simply lef the "hood" off. The Y-wing has been hot-rodded and stripped down to fighting weight."

I beleive the FIRST drawing would be a more acccurate description of what it MAy have looked like.
 
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I'm with BradleyFett on this.....

.....the new Clone Wars , complete Y-Wing just looks interesting and exciting, the complete Y-Wing in the Cross Section book is oversimplified, (the way the panels match the interior angles is silly) and amazingly lazy....the book design takes an existing shape and just smooths it out with no imagination.

I hope we see more revolutionary "concept" designs in future LFL series!

Rich
 
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