Elstree Vader - What do we have?
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Darth Niob
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The last shot is great. Looks like the helmet is dusty. It has this battle worn look i love to see on Vader.:thumbsup
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
That's the fat lip RotJ stunt (the one that the Elstree has some features modeled after) and not the stunt as seen in ESB. How you can say they are the same is beyond me.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Ah, so you didn't mean the one seen on screen in ESB. Gotcha.
GINO
Sr Member
:thumbsup
Vadermonkey
Well-Known Member
Only one screen ESB stunt mask. It is also significantly different from the ROTJ stunt.
So the helmet we see in the beginning of ROTJ when Vader arrives at the death star is the same helmet we see in the Endor scene with luke?
One 'hero' helmet and one stunt?
Darth Niob
Sr Member
Weren't there different domes on the screen used masks?
Too Much Garlic
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Darth Niob
Sr Member
ESB at reveal scene??
GINO
Sr Member
Not an ESB at the reveal scene, just that it is a different helmet than the stunt and hero used in all the other shots in ROTJ.
It's definitely another ROTJ.
But the only thing separating the ESB and ROTJ are from the refurbishing that was done to them for ROTJ (new paint, lenses, foam, grills, interior foam, and minor retouching (spot filler etc..) to areas that looked like they needed it.
In that reveal scene before they cut to the actual reveal helmet, you can see that particular ROTJ dome has more of the Y-crease remnant than the primary hero one does. That is because when they were initially made (during ESB) all the domes were hand finished (cut widows peak off, sand that area) and each one has a slightly different look in that area (some more prominent, some less).
Same with the chin triangles on all the ESB, all hand cut out, all slightly different.
Also all the mounting flanges were individually placed which causes a slight dome position variation on each helmet.
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It's definitely another ROTJ.
But the only thing separating the ESB and ROTJ are from the refurbishing that was done to them for ROTJ (new paint, lenses, foam, grills, interior foam, and minor retouching (spot filler etc..) to areas that looked like they needed it.
In that reveal scene before they cut to the actual reveal helmet, you can see that particular ROTJ dome has more of the Y-crease remnant than the primary hero one does. That is because when they were initially made (during ESB) all the domes were hand finished (cut widows peak off, sand that area) and each one has a slightly different look in that area (some more prominent, some less).
Same with the chin triangles on all the ESB, all hand cut out, all slightly different.
Also all the mounting flanges were individually placed which causes a slight dome position variation on each helmet.
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Too Much Garlic
Master Member
This one.
Please disregard the ESB Dagobah helmet to the left... the picture was used in another context.
Vadermonkey
Well-Known Member
Its getting hard to read this thread for all the editing.
But what makes you think that every ROTJ helmet is a leftover ESB? For every production they have had to make new costumes (ie: TK costumes for ROTJ) so just because the TK helmets were carried over from ANH to ESB doesn't mean that happened with Vader helmets for ESB to ROTJ. The reason I say this is that there are many more differences between an ESB helmet and ROTJ helmet than just paint or finishing work. It makes no sense to rework each helmet for ROTJ when one can simply make a mold of an ESB, get a casting, refine that master casting, remold it and then make copies. We could start a new thread about the finer differences between ESB and ROTJ helmets...and I think I could argue that each helmet/mask wasn't reworked independently.
I will agree that the chin vents could have been individually cut out, the mounting rings added independently, etc. and yes that widow's peak at the end of ROTJ prior to the reveal is an ESB widow's peak but it could simply be a leftover ESB helmet. And one can see during ROTJ that different helmets (domes) were matched up with different masks at different times...I'm basing that on the widow's peak area and the shape of the central ridge (or strip).
I know you have always said that ESB and ROTJ helmets are identical apart from the finishing but that just isn't the case and I don't see why they would individually modify each mask and each helmet for ROTJ.
BTW, the funeral pyre mask even has ANH tusks on it.
This one.
Please disregard the ESB Dagobah helmet to the left... the picture was used in another context.
It's interesting to see that the ESB Dagobah Vader seems to have a wider chin vent...just like ROTJ, or is it just the perspective? Also, the neck line of the one we see on the right seems to have pieces of fiberglass chipped off or to be damaged.
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