Qui-Gonzalez
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I'm also looking at how crisp and cleaned up the edges of the eyes are as well.
Elstree Vader - What do we have?
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I'm also looking at how crisp and cleaned up the edges of the eyes are as well.
Darth Niob
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To be honest......would like to know what ROTJ lids are out there which are far superior than the Elstree. The helmet is not perfect but better than most of the others and nearer at the original. What other Jedi versions are out there?
-The VP (correct me if i'm wrong) which is only a cleaned facemask
-The SPFX which is lookin great but has definatly nothing to do with an original cast.
-The GH/Jeff helmets are not really better. Ok the domes from them arent as wharped as the Elstrees but there origins arent "better".
Its also a helmet which doesnt exist as often like a GH, so you have all the right to say to be proud of this lid.
As for its history...i think Thomas answered nearly all what is known about this helmet.The only chance i see to get more infos is contacting the maker of these two runs.
I know....that's why I said it is not perfect. Also Vader's left nailmark on the cheek is different. There are slight differences in the lower edges of the gaps between the teeth, and of course the tour has a wider lower chin vent...the Elstree's chin vent is more like ESB. I've seen modifications to eyebrows before on authentic masks and it is possible they built up the eyebrows on whatever the Elstree came from. Unless there is a tour or screen mask with eyebrows like that, but I haven't checked yet. But otherwise everything else indicates it is from a similar source as the ROTJ tour.
Keep in mind that the neckline will depend in part on how the mask was trimmed there so shape could be coincidental and is not necessarily the only thing I would use to relate two masks. I'd be more interested to see how the chin vents compare.
The VP is not a Jedi mask. It is definitely more like ANH.
There were very few GH ROTJs made....fewer than the Elstree ROTJ.
I think based on the differences in the noseslots the GH just came from a different ROTJ helmet than the Elstree. It doesn't have the modified eyebrows.
Here is an old comparison I did with the GH ROTJ (helmet owned by Kanji)...
This is the GH ROTJ master helmet...personally I prefer it over the Elstree...it just seems to have more fine detail...although better photos of the Elstree may help. Also the mask itself is larger than the Elstree suggesting generationally it may be closer to an original ROTJ. These photos appeared courtesy of Ghosthost in the Junkyard.
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Darth Niob
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Thanks for clearing up Thomas:thumbsup So...would you say the GH ROTJ master is the best Jedi version to date?
It seems that these two helmets both come from authentic sources and it also seems they come from two different ROTJ originals. Owners of either helmet can be proud of that. They are both rare in terms of being fanmade helmets of limited runs. I guess I don't like to categorically state which is best but I do personally prefer the GH since the helmet itself (the dome as some here call it) came out of the box as it appeared onscreen and the eyebrows on the mask seem closer to the original. But I've not seen a "naked" or raw Elstree so there could be some hidden details that I've not yet grown to appreciate. Those little bumps and irregularities in the surface you see where the light reflects off the GH mask is what I really like to see...not something perfectly clean. Plus I would like to compare both more to original ROTJ masks and haven't done that yet (but could).
Cyberman
Sr Member
Maybe bigger because its had so many heavy coats of paint on it before being molded yet another 2 generations down from the screen used helmet
There was probably about 2mms of heavy duty 2pak on the before it got coated yet again (2 - 3mms loss of definition :lol) The dome looks like a Don PostDarth Niob
Sr Member
For me the Elstree is still the nicest Jedi version too date, although there is another one upcoming
Darth Niob
Sr Member
I think the TM Jedi will be the closest. Nevertheless i would like to have an Elstree.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
I thought I was the only one who saw that, so left it alone.
Thanks for this great input Sithlord!!! :thumbsup
There is no number to find anywhere on this lid. The outward flaring is really significant on the helmet (compared to my DP DLX). The paintjob is veeeery very thin on this one. It even feels and looks like there was no primer used and everything was done in a single ultrathin coat of paint. I've had some lid's in my hands, but this one had the thinnest paintjob I've ever seen.
Again herer are some crappy pics:
First, the dome:
Sry for the quality of the pics but since I have a bad cold I refuse to go outside and take some in broad daylight.
Again, thanks EVERYONE here!
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Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
That's a weird looking patch right near the bottom right eye where it meets the nose. Looks like a bad fix and a bad repaint.
This is telling. It would be interesting to see the SPFX mask next to the Elstree....not surprisingly the SPFX dome looks undersized compared to the Elstree mask.
Great photos thanks...good to hear the paint is thin...something to study.
Darth Niob
Sr Member
Do you mean the SPFX Jedi mask?
Maybe bigger because its had so many heavy coats of paint on it before being molded yet another 2 generations down from the screen used helmet
Firstly, the GH ROTJ was received in raw form. Secondly, if it came from a mold of a painted helmet, there is no reason to think that that helmet would have any more coats of paint than whatever the Elstree came from. Third, the difference in size between the Elstree and GH are not on the order of millimeters as you suggest. Fourth, have you actually measured the contribution of paint? Who here actually adds 2-3mm worth of thickness of paint to something? And you might recall that the Jeff ROTJ and the GH ROTJ share a similar source. And the dome looks like a Don Post because the Don Post was also based off a ROTJ....no surprise there.
Yes.
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