eFX A New Hope Darth Vader Helmet

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Having worked with metal paints for a while, I know how absolutely tricky they are. If you don't blend them properly, they won't give a uniform finish and the color below may shine through. Also, if you paint on top of them, the paint may not stick very well and a lot of the metallic color will show through.

Sure, there are myriads of explanations for what we are seeing. Sure, it could be just gunmetal. But it's darker than the rest of the gunmetal, which tells me only one thing - that it was darkened. It sure isn't the same color as the gloss black it was originally sprayed with - doesn't even look like a gloss paint being used there. I've seen that effect before when applying semi gloss black paint on metallic paint - especially seen it on silver, chrome-silver, bronze, brass & gold metallic paint. Always the same effect - the metal color shines through, unless you apply a really thick layer.

Seeing as those areas are definitely darker, but not the gloss black of the rest of the helmet is pretty clear that it was done this way. The brush strokes on both sides of the outer mouth wall has been discussed for many years now and I was gonna paint my own helmet this way, trying to replicate what I'm seeing. This is also the only way to explain the black tusk - that it was painted over with black, while applied to the helmet, to tone down the excessive gunmetal work applied.

If anyone thinks the ANH is just gloss black and gunmetal in one go pr paint... well... that's like saying that human skin is just fleshy pink and no other colors. It's a trainwreck of patchworks on top of a gloss black basecoat.
 
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I don't think anyone is going to be happy with any paint job eFX does, even if Gino were to paint every helmet himself, we are going to find problems with it because we all have pre-conveived notions of how it should look.

Most likely, a lot of people are going to buy this and then get it repainted to what 'They' want it to look like.
 
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Nice explanation, Carsten, I would agree...neither pure black nor pure gunmetal. Certainly the lighting is an issue, but if there was a mask line at the boundary of where I think the black ends and the gunmetal begins on the side of the nose then that would support the gunmetal suggestion, and I've started to look for that. It is one of the most difficult sections to interpret based on screen caps, but I lean toward a more gunmetal surface because lets face it, a shiny black surface will reflect but it also absorbs more than a gunmetal surface would, and it would be easier to mask simply straight to the tip of the nose rather than masking that side of the nose as well, right?

But that crescent is not black.
 
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I'll be very interested to see the first stripped down version...maybe they should sell a few unfinished ones, although that sort of defeats the purpose of having a licensed prop replica, as it becomes then something like a model kit. :lol
 
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I think you're mistaking light glares for gunmetal in both the nose and the "crescent shape", and shadows for what you call a black strip toward the back.


Actually there was a mask line on the original ANH exactly where I put the rectangle on the rear left area behind the upper tusk tube, so it isn't just a shadow. And as for the crescent, it has an interior angle and light cannot reflect in that way off an interior angle, what we are seeing there is a lack of shadow, not a reflection.
 
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Thanks a bunch for the great pics Art.
Love the helmet Efx. A definite buy for me. I am concerned though about the trimming of the teeth/grill. That left side tooth looks really chewed up. I hope the production piece will be corrected.

Carl

Hi guys. Comic Con is looking like it is going to just be amazing. I would really like to do a better shoot, but here are some initial pics of the hand painted Darth Vader helmet being displayed at the eFx booth. I didn't take pics of the idealized version, primarily because I didn't think too many people here would be overly concerned with that one.

eFX Booth - a set on Flickr
 
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I took RKWs image just to show quickly that the gunmetal can be seen on the crescent when it is not in shadow...

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Impressive. This looks alot better than I would have expected! ...but wow, they did alot of cleanup/mods on the helmet (dome)... :(
 
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Has the dome been altered? Does it still retain the same shape as the original?
I am not a vader expert here but I would like to know this. I am not talking about blemishes and tics but the shape of the dome.

Carl

Impressive. This looks alot better than I would have expected! ...but wow, they did alot of cleanup/mods on the helmet (dome)... :(
 
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Yep, overcleaned for sure. But still pretty. It will be a nice basis for some ESB/ROTJ helmets down the road too. :)
 
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Glorious. Wow! The soul and character of ANH Vader and sharpness/shape of the original sculpture is all present in the face mask. The paint is unbelievable, too. In fact, the paint might be the most fantastic thing about the entire product, which is really saying something. I'm floored by it.

Gino and whoever else is involved, I give my absolutely sincere thanks for your efforts on this project and the creation of that prototype. This whole thing is still hard to swallow after feeling so hopeless regarding accurate Vader helmets since I found this forum way back in 2004...And though the price for these things may be slightly too much to bear for me right now, I will definitely work toward attaining one of them someday by selling a few pieces from my current collection.

I can't wait to hear more information on the production number and price...Here's hoping it's priced to move! :love

Cheers,

Ryan
 
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Yep, overcleaned for sure. But still pretty. It will be a nice basis for some ESB/ROTJ helmets down the road too. :)

^ +1....I'm sure if the ANH is sucessful on any scale, we'll see at least an ESB based on this one.:thumbsup
 
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Has the dome been altered? Does it still retain the same shape as the original?
I am not a vader expert here but I would like to know this. I am not talking about blemishes and tics but the shape of the dome.

Carl


I already mentioned the widow's peak (mod) and the front flarings (just probably a mold or pull-related thing)...
 
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No, the widow's peak 'Y' crease area has been at least really cleaned up, but there are some other very key divits and such that were onscreen but now missing, that WERE on the original casting from the LFL mold. But I expect a certain amount of detail alteration for a licensed piece like this; but as I said, I think this helmet is very impressive. If I didn't already have something, I'd be in line for sure on this one. :)
 
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The tusk tubes on the left side of the mask is gun metal painted. It looks like a quick sponge dab job near end of the tube in the film. With spots of the black casting color bleeding through it. It reminds me of the sloppy sponge paint job on the Capt Kirk mask in John Carpenters Halloween with the flesh tone color of the Don Post Capt Kirk mask bleeding through the white paint. The mask shown at the con does not have gun metal on that tube.

What about the base casting color of the mask? The other tusk tube is that raw casting color. Which is correct, and of course the triangle area inside that tube is the dark black gloss paint, but the inner triangle area in the gun metal painted tube on the left side. It should be the raw black casting color. Not the gloss black paint.

These are just paint apps. So it's silly to get bent over them, but I'm hoping eFX knows about it. I still don't understand the need to clean up the imperfections. GL said it was set in a "Used Universe"
 
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Well it's good to see that once again the Vader "community" can't agree on jack ****.

I tell ya the Boba Fett guys don't know how lucky they have it :rolleyes
 
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Well, there's no unity in the Vader community, that's for sure. It's fine enough to do your own inaccurate style on your own ****, but to add inaccuracies to a licensed piece is really something - reeks of a Don Post fnop. Go watch the movie and stop fiddling with screen captures and stills and you'll see clear as day the real paint job, when he's moving around. And this prototype scheme, just isn't it.
 
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