Ebay recaster bay12replicas
- Thread starter Keith
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is that one of your pred helmets on one of his auctions?, i see the tells you put into your master
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Keith
Sr Member
Yes it is. After being given permission to mold the helmet by the original maker, i sold a cast to this ebay seller and even gave him instructions on how to paint it. He has since sold LOADS of them under at least three different ebay names.
I see he has also sold a resin copy/recast of a bumpy cap TE trooper helmet too.
Keith.
I see he has also sold a resin copy/recast of a bumpy cap TE trooper helmet too.
Keith.
Keith
Sr Member
More details, please. I have no idea who or what you're talking about.
Maybe he will post here and explain. He was online a few minutes ago.
Probably gone offline to think up some excuse, like, "i bought a job lot cheap and i'm selling them on" .
Keith.
voice in the crowd
Sr Member
What this guy is a member here? :eek
I thought it was just some Ebay chancer you were talking about not a member of the forum
Chris
voice in the crowd
Sr Member
Pat,
Took a while but here is a link to one of their auctions
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Celtic-Predat...ryZ60361QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Possibly because it was ebay.co.uk it was harder to find.
No idea of the person RPF name though sorry.
Chris.
HDPE
Well-Known Member
Hey Keith,
I was one of the first to have suspicions/ask about this guy here :
http://thepropden.aokforums.com/bay12replicas-on-ebay-another-recaster-of-trooper-helmet-vt1300.html
Also asked on the White armor net, but no one seems to care about recast trooper helmets anymoreangry
I was one of the first to have suspicions/ask about this guy here :
http://thepropden.aokforums.com/bay12replicas-on-ebay-another-recaster-of-trooper-helmet-vt1300.html
Also asked on the White armor net, but no one seems to care about recast trooper helmets anymore
angry
OK, appreciate your comments guys, but I am obliged to defend myself here.
I have been a member of this forum for quite a long time. During that time you have seen various projects I have undertaken that illustrate that I have talent, the last of which was my T2 chest sculpt.
Predator 2 helmet:
I told you years ago that the Predator 2 pattern I have was not directly from your helmet Keith - my position on that has not changed. I cannot control other peoples actions. I did not make copies of your helmet, I acquired the mould from a 3rd party. Whether you say there are 'tells' or not - it's irrelevent. I know I DID NOT make a mould of it. End of story
Predator 1 and Celtic helmets:
These come in to me cheap from Asia. I finish them up and sell them. Other than that, there is no great story, no cloak and dagger routine.
Arnold busts:
I have arrangements with various individuals about these Arnold patterns. I am not at liberty to publish those here, as they are of a personal nature and would compromise their positions in the industry.
Supposed TE helmet:
Oh give me a break! TE thinks everyone has copied his gear. Anyone can see the pattern I have is not from a TE helmet. As I told Troopermaster in a PM, this pattern is from an entirely different source and with FULL permission from the owner. The addition of the TE initial in the auction was a search selling tactic.
T2 chest:
My own sculpt - you saw the progress thread.
Spartan helmet:
Obviously not from SgtFang. Anyone can see that. After seeing the MLC thread about his Spartan helmet, I made my own. I have full work in progress photos to back this up.
Upcoming ROTJ helmet:
From a friend in Toronto, copied from his background helmet and modified.
C3PO head:
Not from a Zorg head at all. You can ask him yourself, I had a 2-1B head from him a while back, but never a 3PO head. I purchased the pattern from a Battlestar obsessed forum member based in Florida. It was in a right state of affairs. I took it and cleaned it up, made it my own.
To summarise, I am not a talentless recaster. I am a designer by trade and an artist, but you need to make your own mind up and decide. My membership on the RPF is important to me, but I do not seek your approval guys. I make the decisions about the path I take.
People need to understand that they can not be privy to EVERY 'arrangement' that comes between people. For instance, I have just acquired a mould for an Alien head from a fellow UK prop maker. Looks a pretty professional mould job. Now, the background on this piece I don't know entirely - could have come from anywhere. Does that mean I can't make items from it? No it does not.
Bottom line:
Do I recast other peoples items : NO
Do I make deals with people that allow me to make items from their mould patterns : YES
That is my last word and I probably won't be checking back straight away. Keith, I understand why you started this thread, but you are targeting the wrong individual in what is a mirky grey area.
Not all things are clean cut. If you have a problem with my items, then don't buy them.
Steve
I have been a member of this forum for quite a long time. During that time you have seen various projects I have undertaken that illustrate that I have talent, the last of which was my T2 chest sculpt.
Predator 2 helmet:
I told you years ago that the Predator 2 pattern I have was not directly from your helmet Keith - my position on that has not changed. I cannot control other peoples actions. I did not make copies of your helmet, I acquired the mould from a 3rd party. Whether you say there are 'tells' or not - it's irrelevent. I know I DID NOT make a mould of it. End of story
Predator 1 and Celtic helmets:
These come in to me cheap from Asia. I finish them up and sell them. Other than that, there is no great story, no cloak and dagger routine.
Arnold busts:
I have arrangements with various individuals about these Arnold patterns. I am not at liberty to publish those here, as they are of a personal nature and would compromise their positions in the industry.
Supposed TE helmet:
Oh give me a break! TE thinks everyone has copied his gear. Anyone can see the pattern I have is not from a TE helmet. As I told Troopermaster in a PM, this pattern is from an entirely different source and with FULL permission from the owner. The addition of the TE initial in the auction was a search selling tactic.
T2 chest:
My own sculpt - you saw the progress thread.
Spartan helmet:
Obviously not from SgtFang. Anyone can see that. After seeing the MLC thread about his Spartan helmet, I made my own. I have full work in progress photos to back this up.
Upcoming ROTJ helmet:
From a friend in Toronto, copied from his background helmet and modified.
C3PO head:
Not from a Zorg head at all. You can ask him yourself, I had a 2-1B head from him a while back, but never a 3PO head. I purchased the pattern from a Battlestar obsessed forum member based in Florida. It was in a right state of affairs. I took it and cleaned it up, made it my own.
To summarise, I am not a talentless recaster. I am a designer by trade and an artist, but you need to make your own mind up and decide. My membership on the RPF is important to me, but I do not seek your approval guys. I make the decisions about the path I take.
People need to understand that they can not be privy to EVERY 'arrangement' that comes between people. For instance, I have just acquired a mould for an Alien head from a fellow UK prop maker. Looks a pretty professional mould job. Now, the background on this piece I don't know entirely - could have come from anywhere. Does that mean I can't make items from it? No it does not.
Bottom line:
Do I recast other peoples items : NO
Do I make deals with people that allow me to make items from their mould patterns : YES
That is my last word and I probably won't be checking back straight away. Keith, I understand why you started this thread, but you are targeting the wrong individual in what is a mirky grey area.
Not all things are clean cut. If you have a problem with my items, then don't buy them.
Steve
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Keith
Sr Member
A while ago when i asked you why you are selling loads of recasts of the helmet i sold you, Your original story was that you bought a load of them cheap and are selling them on. Now when you are found to be still selling them under yet another ebay account, you say you bought a mold (a mold that has been taken from a helmet i made) and that you are casting them, but didn't mold it yourself.
I wasnt born yesterday Steve. I can see now why you wanted to buy an unpainted helmet from me.
Someone who makes so many molds also buys a mold that was taken from an item he already owns.
So guys, if you want to sell recasted items, just be sure to say you didn't make the mold and that you just bought it off someone else.
Or if you want to make trooper helmets, just say you got permission from someone to mold it. You don't have to say who.
Keith.
GINO
Sr Member
I agree with Keith on this one.
Just because the person you got the stuff from recast without permission, doesn't provide a safety buffer between them and you. That makes you just as bad.
Also, if the origins are unknown, you shouldn't be copying it anyway until you find out and ask the person if its okay. If you cannot find the originator, then your default answer should be NO you cannot recast it.
Just because the person you got the stuff from recast without permission, doesn't provide a safety buffer between them and you. That makes you just as bad.
Also, if the origins are unknown, you shouldn't be copying it anyway until you find out and ask the person if its okay. If you cannot find the originator, then your default answer should be NO you cannot recast it.
For those of you who wish to jump on a 'recasting bandwagon', then thats something out of my control and I'm sorry you feel that way. You have to make your own minds up here.
But I am an honest individual in a hobby that is full of cloudy issues, particularly of items that trace back to studio patterns.
For those who are still with me here, thank you. You know who you are and you know what kind of person I am. :thumbsup
Keith, I am not suggesting that you were born yesterday, but it seems kind of sour grapes to me. I'm not going to keep repeating myself here, but to my knowledge you didn't sculpt the Predator 2 helmet, that was Stan Winston.
So that being said, I have as much 'right' as you to make the item, which officially is no 'right' at all as it's a licensed pattern. You refer to my item as 'recast', but you yourself 'recast' it.
It's like TE moaning about replicated trooper helmets, he doesn't have any more 'right' to the item as you or I.
The important issue here is that I did not 'recast' your helmet and it boils down to your word against mine I'm afraid.
Most of you were happy to ignore the fact that TE took the digital info of his 'laser scan' helmet from MVerta and started producing helmets. Why? Because it suited you to turn a blind eye at the time. So to call me a 'recaster' is slightly hypocritical I'm afraid when I actually have permission from my guys.
I want to keep things civil here while the mods decide what to do. But I might point out too Keith, that the last time you entered into a flame war about your Predator helmet with me, I was on holiday in Portugal with my girlfriend.
When word came through that you were sending accusatory and threatening emails to my friends, I took a day out of my holiday to sit in a Cyber Cafe to set the record straight. That's because it was important to me to make things right.
Keith, it also suited you to buy a number of Meatsock helmets from Brian Girardin when it suited you and you knew full well that he had remoulded TE's helmet.
That was OK then wasn't it?
But now someone is producing something 'similar' to your helmet - the pitch fork comes out.
I own many items from people on this board. Namely a Howard Chris Reeve and a Sarge Arnold. But you don't see me selling them on ebay.
Why? Because I respect Howard as a sculptor and would not rip him off. I also have not made an arrangement with Sarge to sell his Arnie.
Guys, things are not clear cut. I have contacts within the movie industry who allow me access to certain items. I am sorry, but there is no way I am going to name them so Keith can be satisfied.
The outcome of this thread may be inevitable, but if I get thrown off this board for offering items on ebay that I have the full permission of the 'source' to produce - that would be a travesty and a loss.
All the best, Steve :thumbsup
But I am an honest individual in a hobby that is full of cloudy issues, particularly of items that trace back to studio patterns.
For those who are still with me here, thank you. You know who you are and you know what kind of person I am. :thumbsup
Keith, I am not suggesting that you were born yesterday, but it seems kind of sour grapes to me. I'm not going to keep repeating myself here, but to my knowledge you didn't sculpt the Predator 2 helmet, that was Stan Winston.
So that being said, I have as much 'right' as you to make the item, which officially is no 'right' at all as it's a licensed pattern. You refer to my item as 'recast', but you yourself 'recast' it.
It's like TE moaning about replicated trooper helmets, he doesn't have any more 'right' to the item as you or I.
The important issue here is that I did not 'recast' your helmet and it boils down to your word against mine I'm afraid.
Most of you were happy to ignore the fact that TE took the digital info of his 'laser scan' helmet from MVerta and started producing helmets. Why? Because it suited you to turn a blind eye at the time. So to call me a 'recaster' is slightly hypocritical I'm afraid when I actually have permission from my guys.
I want to keep things civil here while the mods decide what to do. But I might point out too Keith, that the last time you entered into a flame war about your Predator helmet with me, I was on holiday in Portugal with my girlfriend.
When word came through that you were sending accusatory and threatening emails to my friends, I took a day out of my holiday to sit in a Cyber Cafe to set the record straight. That's because it was important to me to make things right.
Keith, it also suited you to buy a number of Meatsock helmets from Brian Girardin when it suited you and you knew full well that he had remoulded TE's helmet.
That was OK then wasn't it?
But now someone is producing something 'similar' to your helmet - the pitch fork comes out.
I own many items from people on this board. Namely a Howard Chris Reeve and a Sarge Arnold. But you don't see me selling them on ebay.
Why? Because I respect Howard as a sculptor and would not rip him off. I also have not made an arrangement with Sarge to sell his Arnie.
Guys, things are not clear cut. I have contacts within the movie industry who allow me access to certain items. I am sorry, but there is no way I am going to name them so Keith can be satisfied.
The outcome of this thread may be inevitable, but if I get thrown off this board for offering items on ebay that I have the full permission of the 'source' to produce - that would be a travesty and a loss.
All the best, Steve :thumbsup
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My origins are not unknown. I know full well where my items come from.
