Dredd (Post-release)

No. Crappy vehicles like the no-budget, no effort ones in the movie. The minibus that looks like it was on it's last legs 15 years ago - let alone being used in a dystopian future after a nuclear war. Would it have killed them to mock up a fibre-glass front just to make it a bit more futuristic? And Bolland always sucked at drawing hardware and vehicles anyway, give me McMahon or Colin Wilson anytime.

Sympathise with your view here, except the notion that Bolland sucked at vehicles. That fat-tired 6-wheeler with the Eagle-like nosecone that Dredd uses to escape the Kleggs in The Day The Law Died is fantastic. As is that refuse wagon with the gigantic wheels sticking out from the body like a dragster's in Punks Rule. But yeah, the cover here is for a later US re-print, and the vehicle shown isn't really representative of the kind of thing we generally got every week in the original comic, and certainly not from the defining Dredd artist, the truly visionary Mike McMahon. Still, it does have 6 wheels at least!

One of the design problems I'm seeing on the trailer is that if you're going to have vehicles that are no different from anything you'd see on the street today, then Dredd's outfit - particularly the helmet - simply looks like fancy dress. I just can't buy that helmet co-existing with those vehicles. The total design-realism of the vehicles makes the helmet look as real as a plastic kids' toy Roman helmet. There's a visual consistency problem. In comic graphics form, the fancifulness of that helmet design works, but if you put it in a movie, its design difficulties become obvious, meaning you've got to bring the fancifulness of everything else around it up too, or else it sticks out like a sore thumb and doesn't convince as a designed object that's been designed in the world in which we're seeing it.
 
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I think People are missing the whole Point to the Visuals of this movie, MegaCity is a post war city full of crime, its not some fancy city from say the futuristic world of Blade Runner, all neon and fancy flying machines, Megacity is rough, violent and dirty and this Movie nails that down to the last wheel Nut.

My Point being Megacity from this Movie could be any major city in the world 10 to 20 yrs from now......
 
I was thinking the same thing, but I'm still heavily put off by the design. Also, not sure if the ultra-violence is a sell to me either. But fair-does - the film's clearly got something to get this far without a single negative word.

And you won't be disappointed, the violence in this film is in no-way over the top, it comes across in the movie as being ............ errr Natural and warranted.
 
Very good take on the character. Crappy, crappy, crappy vehicles (minibuses? Seriously?) and why oh why does he not filch extra ammo off the first person he takes out that has the same sidearm as him? (spoilers avoided) And why no ricochet bullets? Could have been a great set piece in a corridor.

Yep it's got some holes in it. I spotted that and a couple more, but was happy to go with the flow, it didn't feel like a deal breaker.

I didn't mind the old van, but it would have cool to have had it pass by some more futuristic stuff. Perhaps something for the next one. It didn't effect my enjoyment of the film overall.
 
The GF is interested in seeing it if it's not just a violence-fest but if it has the wry, social satire of the classic Dredd ('78 to '85). So far we've heard a lot about extreme violence. How's the satire represented?

Personally I didn't see much social satire but plenty of violence. The dark satire was handled much better in Robocop IMHO. If you're a Dredd fan it's a good adaptation (not great, just good.) Objectively the film is a long shoot-out in a dingey crack house.
 
Sympathise with your view here, except the notion that Bolland sucked at vehicles. That fat-tired 6-wheeler with the Eagle-like nosecone that Dredd uses to escape the Kleggs in The Day The Law Died is fantastic. As is that refuse wagon with the gigantic wheels sticking out from the body like a dragster's in Punks Rule. But yeah, the cover here is for a later US re-print, and the vehicle shown isn't really representative of the kind of thing we generally got every week in the original comic, and certainly not from the defining Dredd artist, the truly visionary Mike McMahon. Still, it does have 6 wheels at least!

One of the design problems I'm seeing on the trailer is that if you're going to have vehicles that are no different from anything you'd see on the street today, then Dredd's outfit - particularly the helmet - simply looks like fancy dress. I just can't buy that helmet co-existing with those vehicles. The total design-realism of the vehicles makes the helmet look as real as a plastic kids' toy Roman helmet. There's a visual consistency problem. In comic graphics form, the fancifulness of that helmet design works, but if you put it in a movie, its design difficulties become obvious, meaning you've got to bring the fancifulness of everything else around it up too, or else it sticks out like a sore thumb and doesn't convince as a designed object that's been designed in the world in which we're seeing it.

Agree about the design, set against everything else the Judge uniforms seem incongruous. As a production it looks like a fan film half the time. At one point Dredd says "Use respirators" I thought "Super fan nod.He'll use the helmet respirator!" Alas no , just some Phantom Menace Jedi respirator schtick. Shame.
 
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Can't wait to see this! I didn't think the Total Recall remake was bad. It was just ok, but that is kinda how I felt about the original Total Recall as well. This looks like it is everything that Total Recall SHOULD have been! Just grittier, better looking, and more compelling. At least I hope so. We will see!
 
Saw it tonight. It was awesome. I loved how they utilized the Slo Mo to get some awesome violent shots.

Karl Urban was perfect as Dredd, he had that attitude that screamed don't **** with me.

The only reason I can assume Dredd didn't grab the ammo off the first guy was he had called for backup before they had started fighting. He knew that there were 3 other Judges and he wouldn't have won in a firefight between them so he got out of dodge. They couldn't have been that far away if the guy was still standing when they got there.
 
Saw it last night and loved it. Strong acting throughout, with a fantastically believably dangerous villain. There is a sense of a nearer future than the comics - almost as if this is a prequel to the Mega-City we know. This goes some way to justifying the low-tech prop design; you can believe that the weapons and vehicles could evolve from where they are. I didn't like the Lawmasters at first but there is one shot where several are seen from the rear in silhouette, and the judges sitting upright with a solid chunk of hardware in front of them looked spot on. I can totally accept the design decisions they made given the budget, especially if it means they can make more movies on the strength of it.
 
I agree with you 100% Knightjar. The design of the vehicles didn't bother me at all. To me this looks like the very poor suburbs, where the cars have to last. If the Mega city gets more affluent towards its centre you would probably see the more advanced stuff there. I mean compare the slums of this world to the centre of Tokyo or New York, they are different worlds.
 
It got postponed for a week here and premiered today (only me and another guy at the first 2pm showing .... as usual :lol).

Wow, just wow. Trying to balance things in my mind.

First and very foremost - after having sat through dozens of '3-D' movies these last few years, finally, finally, finally, finally, a movie that does this 'modern' technology justice ! Amazing.

Violent, violent, violent, violent. But not in the 'OMG this is too much, I have to leave now & hug my puppy'. This violence in 3-D and slow-motion was done magnificently.

Who represents the original concept of Dredd better ? Stallone or Urban ? A mixture of both.

Costume-wise, Stallone all the way for me. Although the battle damage on Urban's helmet is ultra well thought out and executed.

Motorcycle-wise ? Stallone, Stallone, Stallone. Urban's bike was, well, anything but a Judge's bike for me :lol.

Lawgiver - Stallone, hands down, not a single doubt in my mind.

In general, I'd say that due to the advances in filming technology etc, this movie's 'feel' of Dredd is better.

Overall, while I'd give this a resounding 9.5 / 10 with applause in the mix, the 1995 version still stands at 9.6 for me.

Definitely warrants a sequel or two.
 
I dunno Alan, I think the only thing I liked more from the Stalone Dredd than 3D is the lawmaster. Other than that 3D killed the horrendous 95' film.
 
Oh Jeez......i've been looking forward to Dredd 3D for a LONG time.....finally saw it today and was.....well, disappointed......

There was a lot i liked...Urban, the costume, Anderson.....the fact that from the very opening it felt raw and real.....

.....but, the whole tower block thing ran out of steam really early on, the music, if you could call it that, was just headache inducing noise....

Most of the violent slo-mo bits had already been shown in clips/trailers, some of the film actually felt like a fan film to me, haphazard cuts, shots that went nowhere....

I know i'm in the minority here, and it IS only an opinion, but i'm really deflated and let down.....

Rich
 
If anyone is seeing this again check this out. In Mama's apartment at the end of the movie with the wall of guns and the leather jacket behind her, directly in the middle at the top is something that looks like a Stallone judges helmet. I had a second viewing last night but it was kind of peskily out of focus for the majority of the shots. Another thing I noticed (please somebody tell me I'm mad) Is Dredd's Lawmaster wheels seemed to change size between shots in the chase sequence.
 
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