Disney + | She-Hulk

Gimpdiggity said:
Holy crap!! I LOVED that last episode.

I’d read that it was quite different, so I knew it wasn’t going to be what I expected…but that was just fantastic.

I wanted to give a quick nod to the supporting cast in this series. They were all just great. I really enjoyed how well those characters were portrayed.

I really liked this season of this show, and I hope we get more of it.
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Agreed!

I reeeeally enjoyed this show and while it wasn't perfect, I thought it was a lot of fun. I would love to see a second season.
 
Excellent series, I was entertained every episode and now that this season has wrapped I am definitely going to go back and re-watch/binge all the episodes again while I’m WFH.

I was familiar with who Tatiana Maslany was but I’ve never watched any of her stuff before. For me she absolutely made the She-Hulk character engaging, interesting, and likable. Great writing combined with excellent acting, I’m hooked for sure. I definitely up for a season 2 but I’m really hoping to see her on the big screen even if it’s only a cameo or ensemble.
 
JPH said:
Except She-Hulk's boss uses the waiver as a defense to claim that her representation isn't an issue for her to go after the clothes designer. And then the show actually *HAS* the consequence she was trying to avoid happen.
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No he doesn't. He doesn't care if it has consequences for her at all, and as the link provided above shows, the COI waiver has nothing to do with preventing those consequences. COI is about protecting the client from her conflict, not her relationship with her tailor.

JPH said:
So, there you go, lying again.
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Your ad hominems are getting old.
 
Okay, I watched the whole season. It was hit-and-miss for me.

I'm not a fan of the 4th wall breaking, but I know it was part of the comics, so I accepted it. That said, I don't think it really "works" in the context of a larger "Cinematic Universe" concept. Plus, even though this is a straight-up sitcom (as Tatania Maslany herself has described it), there was too much making fun of goofy D-list characters for me. You throw one goofy 70s era character in to poke fun of, okay. But when every "villain" is presented in the same way, it's beating a dead horse. And superheroes are often judged on how interesting their villains are. This show was lacking in any compelling foes for She-Hulk.

Earlier in the season, I felt that the episodes were too short, that I was left wanting more. I still think that's true, but I also felt that way because of a lack of action. I do understand and appreciate having non-action scenes and character development. In fact, my favorite parts of superhero movies and stories are the character development. Like, Spider-Man without the problems of Peter Parker wouldn't be nearly as compelling. That said, I still think a superhero story - even one that features a character struggling to figure out themselves, whether they want to be a "hero" or not - still needs to include a reasonable amount of action. She-Hulk was definitely lacking.

It was clear (even before the final episode flat out told us) that the creators of this show wanted to tell a different kind of story. I'm okay with that. As I said, I liked parts of it, particularly the main characters were engaging, and I liked a lot of the comedy. But it felt like a misfire, especially the final episode. I agree the big fight scene (as Jenn also says) would've been a mistake. The way it was presented was bad, which I know was intentional. Here's the thing - if you don't want to have a crappy fight scene, just don't do it! Don't show it to us, then use a gimmick to back out of it - and it clearly was a gimmick, going far beyond the 4th wall breaking that happened prior. Don't try to get us to congratulate you for straying from convention when you could've just used the precious time and budget to do something better. It felt like they were trying to be too clever, and proud of themselves for it. We didn't need it.

More importantly, the whole dilema of Jenn going to jail, forced to wear an inhibitor, losing her privacy, her job, her home, was wrapped up so quickly and unsatisfactorily. It made no sense to introduce this huge problem and resolve it by basically a deus ex machina moment, instead of investing some time into coming up with a compelling story. We got a compelling idea - Jenn being faced with losing the She-Hulk side of her persona just as she was coming to grips with it - but it lost all meaning when they wrote a "get of jail free" card for Jenn. Again, I know this is a sitcom, but it can still have serious moments and consequences. Why write an interesting plot and backpedal it in the same episode? It felt like a cheat.

Anyway, I did like a lot of the season. It just felt like the writers wanted to be too overt and gimmicky for the finale that left me with a sour taste in my mouth. I think a second season could be great with some tweaks. I don't think it has to be "just like" every other MCU project, but it needs more focus. It can still be a comedy without relying heavily on mocking the genre it sprang from.
 
I saw this in a Youtube comment.

Hulk:
- Experimented on as a child
- His father killed his mother
- Turned into a monster against his will
- Captured by the government
- Experimented on by the government
- Involuntarily killed lot's of people without wanting to
- Lived in hiding from the government for multiple years in a third-world country separated from his loved ones
- Love of his life died
- Unable to commit suicide because the monster within him prevents it
- Got stuck on an alien planet for years
- Got controlled by the monster within him while on that planet
- Pressured to save the world multiple times


She-Hulk:
- Is a woman
- Gets catcalled by men

"I have so much more experience controlling my anger infinitely better than you!"
 
robn1 said:
I saw this in a Youtube comment.

Hulk:
- Experimented on as a child
- His father killed his mother
- Turned into a monster against his will
- Captured by the government
- Experimented on by the government
- Involuntarily killed lot's of people without wanting to
- Lived in hiding from the government for multiple years in a third-world country separated from his loved ones
- Love of his life died
- Unable to commit suicide because the monster within him prevents it
- Got stuck on an alien planet for years
- Got controlled by the monster within him while on that planet
- Pressured to save the world multiple times


She-Hulk:
- Is a woman
- Gets catcalled by men

"I have so much more experience controlling my anger infinitely better than you!"
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You're absolutely right about that on ALL points, but (& this isn't directed at you. Just using your post as a springboard), I think most people missed the point of that exchange. It wasn't a pissing contest to see who had it worse, instead, it was showing her frustration with Bruce ASSUMING that since that was how HIS life had gone, it was a foregone conclusion that SHE was going to go through the exact same things.

Both characters had struggles in life unique to them, but just like in real life, you don't discount someone else's issues because you think that YOURS are 'worse'.

I was basically Bruce as my kids were growing up, in that, instead of simply preparing them for life, as I should have, I spent too much time teaching them about MY life. Almost with the assumption that they're going to go through the EXACT same things. Luckily for them, I realized it early enough, but not before they individually called me out on it.

At the end of the day, I'm an old & cranky man that's had a life-altering disease since I was 17. I've suffered through multiple unrelated surgeries that ended with an amputation. I have deteriorating vision that started in my 20's & ended up leaving me permanently disabled & unable to drive.

NONE of these things have made me bitter, BUT, even though those are the facts of my life, when my daughter came home crying because her "Life was over" because she was teased publicly by girls in high school, I didn't go down a list of how much harder of a life I was living & make a checklist of how many ways MY life was a struggle, JUST to minimize what she was going through.

Bottom line, if we care about people, we want to help them through a struggle, but most of the time instead of just shutting up & listening, we relive OUR OWN life & superimpose OUR issues & struggles on those who need help because we like to hear ourselves talk about ourselves. As a youth minister & counselor, almost everytime I've talked with someone, I sit there & listen to them talk & hear them come up with the solution to their individual issues with almost no input from me, then they thank me for my help. I have to remind them that, most of the time, we know the right solution but still want to talk it out with someone who's non-judgemental until we hit truth ourselves.
 
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There were some highlights in the series, but overall it was lackluster for me. I’ll give it a 6.5 out of 10 as there were several small good moments, but they were scattered throughout a lot of head scratching.
 
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Usagi Pilgrim said:
You're absolutely right about that on ALL points, but (& this isn't directed at you. Just using your post as a springboard), I think most people missed the point of that exchange. It wasn't a pissing contest to see who had it worse, instead, it was showing her frustration with Bruce ASSUMING that since that was how HIS life had gone, it was a foregone conclusion that SHE was going to go through the exact same things.

Both characters had struggles in life unique to them, but just like in real life, you don't discount someone else's issues because you think that YOURS are 'worse'.

I was basically Bruce as my kids were growing up, in that, instead of simply preparing them for life, as I should have, I spent too much time teaching them about MY life. Almost with the assumption that they're going to go through the EXACT same things. Luckily for them, I realized it early enough, but not before they individually called me out on it.

At the end of the day, I'm an old & cranky man that's had a life-altering disease since I was 17. I've suffered through multiple unrelated surgeries that ended with an amputation. I have deteriorating vision that started in my 20's & ended up leaving me permanently disabled & unable to drive.

NONE of these things have made me bitter, BUT, even though those are the facts of my life, when my daughter came home crying because her "Life was over" because she was teased publicly by girls in high school, I didn't go down a list of how much harder of a life I was living & make a checklist of how many ways MY life was a struggle, JUST to minimize what she was going through.

Bottom line, if we care about people, we want to help them through a struggle, but most of the time instead of just shutting up & listening, we relive OUR OWN life & superimpose OUR issues & struggles on those who need help because we like to hear ourselves talk about ourselves. As a youth minister & counselor, almost everytime I've talked with someone, I sit there & listen to them talk & hear them come up with the solution to their individual issues with almost no input from me, then they thank me for my help. I have to remind them that, most of the time, we know the right solution but still want to talk it out with someone who's non-judgemental until we hit truth ourselves.
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Ever heard of "traumatology?"
If you ever get a chance to attend an Eric Gentry lecture, it blew my mind.
When 911 hit, people rushed to New York, thinking they were helping others, but really, it was to help themselves.
If someone is in a corner screaming, as long as they aren't hurting anyone (including themselves) just let them. Their brain is a storm of impulses right now, vs its usual neural dance.
Interacting with people who have experienced trauma by repeatedly reminding them of it has a tendency to make them worse. ANd why not? Especially if everyone keeps telling them how messed up they *should* be.
 
JoeG said:
That was a great finale! I think my face was like this :oops: almost the entire time. I swear at parts it felt like the writers have been reading this thread!:lol:
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My thought at one point was that this episode was like watching the old Merrie Melodies "Duck Amuck" short, but in this case "Daffy" was able to wrest control away from Bugs Bunny.
BROTHERFOSTER said:
The finale: I could watch that opening sequence 100 times! Well done.
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I really got a kick out of it as well. Are those still Bill Bixby's hands smashing into the pavement as he was trying to change the car tire (if they really his hands in the original footage)? I had been wondering if that sequence was an incredible recreation, or if they actually went back to the original footage and manipulated it digitally. Judging from this comparison video, it was mostly the latter.

SSB
 
Laspector said:
I really liked that episode. If you are going to break the 4th wall, that is the way to do it, not just speaking to the camera. That episode had "John Byrne She-Hulk" written all over it.
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I watched the episode a second time last night with my kids. When they pulled the "menu screen" gag, my boys' immediate reaction was to turn and look at me, thinking I had hit the wrong button on the remote -- as I completely suspected they would.

SSB
 
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