Disney + | She-Hulk

[AJTaliesen]

If this show isn't doing it for you, THAT's OK! YOU DON'T HAVE TO WATCH! But, for ****'s sake, can you just stop acting like it's the end of the world that something doesn't cater to your sensibilities?!

/rant

Have even CONSIDERED taking your own advice? You really are allowed to not read the comments you disagree with.

 

[firesprite]

Have even CONSIDERED taking your own advice? You really are allowed to not read the comments you disagree with.

Look, I don't mind dissent. I can agree that moments maybe don't come off as effectively as they could. The most egregious commenters, I generally just put on ignore, but the unrelenting negativity, apparently from people who aren't even watching in some cases, does get tiresome at times.

 

[JPH]

This isn't the comics. It's an entirely separate entity, the entire MCU franchise always has been.
It's taking a premise from the comics, and adapting it to the screen. Not trying to create a 1:1 version of the comics.
So there is no continuity to break, this is her first appearance in this universe.

Well first, this was a discussion about continuity.

So, please reread what was posted and I'll even let you have an edit

When you are done, let me know, and I will continue to address your point.

 

[Paul Andrew]

Well first, this was a discussion about continuity.

So, please reread what was posted and I'll even let you have an edit

When you are done, let me know, and I will continue to address your point.

There isn't any continuity for the show to break, because the character didn't exist in the MCU prior to this show.

If you're using the term continuity as a stand-in for replicating the comics character 1 to 1 then I don't know what to tell you, except that that isn't what that word means, and that every character adapted to the MCU has had some level of change happen as they're adapted to the screen.

Accoding to what? According to her looong history established in the comics. The point of the series is to bring a comic book characrer to life, Right? Was she advertised as "not to be confused with the She-Hulk from the comics" ?

But you admit you didnt really folliw the comics.

I read Marvel comics for 20 years and while I didn't read She-Hulk, I have been aware of the character since I was a kid picking up different versions of Marvel encyclopedias and supplemental material. IIRC she got her powers in the comics via a transfusion rather than an accidental cross contamination.

You just admitted to not really reading the comic, but then want to tell simeone who *has*, that because she checked certain superficial boxes, it is fine.

All of the MCU characters are "checking superficial boxes" as they build up to nailing the spirit of the character. Some get there faster than others. In this case I do not see enough of a difference to warrant the deep offense you seem to be taking at the tarnishment of the she-hulk's character.

Um...well no, not if you care about continuity. Not if you actually *read* the comics. If yiu have seen and read what she did in prior, similar situations. Where else are followers of a *comic* character going to establish "continuity" other than from her comics?

Again, there is no continuity to break. Continuity refers to the material respecting its own series of events by not contradicting itself retroactively. This show is She-hulk's first appearance in MCU, they are not breaking continuity.

...that is not how "continuity" works.

Are we talking about your definition or the one that most people use? I think what you mean is that the show isn't nailing the spirit of the character as you're familiar with her from the comics, and all I can say to that is I'm sorry if you're not digging it. It's close enough for me. I didn't get butthurt when Tom Bombadil didn't make it to screen in TFotR, I'm not going to have a cow if they don't nail every nuance of the goddamn She-Hulk.

But she broke the forth wall"You say.

So what?!?! That is a shallow idea of the character. So, as long as she "breaks the forth wall," it iis all good?!?!

It's a trademark of the character. And as a "fan" I would expect you to be happy it made it to her screen translation.

These are adaptations. Not literal clones of the comics characters, and as with all adaptations, they will use specific traits of the character as written in the comics to bring fans along as they tell you the story.

And YES Moon Knight was absolutely the laziest series Marvel has put out. Love it all you like, but having people "black out," because the writer knows he can create *ANY* situation and have the character "resolve by blackout" is vacuous.

I mean, no, not really. You don't have to like the reasoning for how that worked, but the reasoning is in there.

 

[JPH]

According to what? I'm not a particularly avid reader of she hulk comics, but from everything I've read she seems to be similarly competent and knowledgeable and a little bit smarty-pants, complete with 4th wall breaks.

This reads a bit condescending dude. Can't help but picture you adjusting your monocle and twisting the tips of your 'stache.

Moon Knight was great. The character blacks out when another personality takes over, and part of the fun was the discovery of the 3rd personality by the end. Again, maybe it wasn't for you, but that didn't make it crap.

There isn't any continuity for the show to break, because the character didn't exist in the MCU prior to this show.

If you're using the term continuity as a stand-in for replicating the comics character 1 to 1 then I don't know what to tell you, except that that isn't what that word means, and that every character adapted to the MCU has had some level of change happen as they're adapted to the screen.


I read Marvel comics for 20 years and while I didn't read She-Hulk, I have been aware of the character since I was a kid picking up different versions of Marvel encyclopedias and supplemental material. IIRC she got her powers in the comics via a transfusion rather than an accidental cross contamination.


All of the MCU characters are "checking superficial boxes" as they build up to nailing the spirit of the character. Some get there faster than others. In this case I do not see enough of a difference to warrant the deep offense you seem to be taking at the tarnishment of the she-hulk's character.


Again, there is no continuity to break. Continuity refers to the material respecting its own series of events by not contradicting itself retroactively. This show is She-hulk's first appearance in MCU, they are not breaking continuity.


Are we talking about your definition or the one that most people use? I think what you mean is that the show isn't nailing the spirit of the character as you're familiar with her from the comics, and all I can say to that is I'm sorry if you're not digging it. It's close enough for me. I didn't get butthurt when Tom Bombadil didn't make it to screen in TFotR, I'm not going to have a cow if they don't nail every nuance of the goddamn She-Hulk.


It's a trademark of the character. And as a "fan" I would expect you to be happy it made it to her screen translation.

These are adaptations. Not literal clones of the comics characters, and as with all adaptations, they will use specific traits of the character as written in the comics to bring fans along as they tell you the story.


I mean, no, not really. You don't have to like the reasoning for how that worked, but the reasoning is in there.

Wow! So you took Picard's lead and now claim that her comic past doesn't matter.
But only after claiming that it did, and was similar.
In a discussion about "continuity" nonetheless.

 

[Paul Andrew]

Wow! So you took Picard's lead and now claim that her comic past doesn't matter.
But only after claiming that it did, and was similar.
In a discussion about "continuity" nonetheless.

... It's like you didn't read my post at all. Have a good one.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I always love when people get mad if you state your opinion in a thread that is for that exact purpose, discussion. You don't have to agree or even like someone else's opinion! If you like it, fine. My opinion shouldn't have ANY effect on your enjoyment of a show; that's silly. I've only see one person here who said they weren't actually watching the show, which I would disregard their opinion in that case. I've watched every single boring episode. I was holding on thinking surely it will get better, but it doesn't. So I am done with it.

 

[Picard102]

Well first, this was a discussion about continuity.

When you are done, let me know, and I will continue to address your point.

Tell me what this show has contradicted about itself or the rest of the MCU Cinematic universe?

 

[JPH]

I always love when people get mad if you state your opinion in a thread that is for that exact purpose, discussion. You don't have to agree or even like someone else's opinion! If you like it, fine. My opinion shouldn't have ANY effect on your enjoyment of a show; that's silly. I've only see one person here who said they weren't actually watching the show, which I would disregard their opinion in that case. I've watched every single boring episode. I was holding on thinking surely it will get better, but it doesn't. So I am done with it.

Well, some people formulate an opinion like a scientific method. Whether the like or dislaike something, they can state why.

Some folks like or dislike, but cant really articulate, or for a reason that others might find embarassing.

Sadly, in the case of She-Hulk and all its woke nonsense, people who like woke are trying to sell it by any means, so they will literally say anything to try and sell it. If they can convince you, it helps normalize "woke" -ness.

We just saw one person present two opposing *opinions* trying to claim the show is good.

Ultimately, they don't even believe their own arguments! They just want to convince you it was good. They are trying to sell you something.

 

[JPH]

Tell me what this show has contradicted about itself or the rest of the MCU Cinematic universe?

Your premise that the MCU is not related to the comics is false. Even in Marvel's children's reading books!

you keep advertising how totally out of the loop you are!

seriously, it is embarassing!!

And then you want people to educate your crater of a knowledge dedicit so you can ignore it and disingenuously maintain your position.

That is why I gave you a reread and rewrite chance,

You are wasting our time.

 

[Jaitea]

I always love when people get mad if you state your opinion in a thread that is for that exact purpose, discussion. You don't have to agree or even like someone else's opinion! If you like it, fine. My opinion shouldn't have ANY effect on your enjoyment of a show; that's silly. I've only see one person here who said they weren't actually watching the show, which I would disregard their opinion in that case. I've watched every single boring episode. I was holding on thinking surely it will get better, but it doesn't. So I am done with it.

I watch it, but regret it after each episode, it really is not great, there’s no action, there’s no real story, there’s no courtroom drama, the comedy falls flat
But still I watch it, just in case it does something

J

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

I find it interesting that some let what others say in an online entertainment forum get that under their skin that they have to permanently shield themselves from particular individuals' posts. I just don't really pay attention to what a few particular individuals have to say as they continually prove themselves to be irrelevant. No blocking necessary.

 

[Picard102]

Your premise that the MCU is not related to the comics is false. Even in Marvel's children's reading books!

you keep advertising how totally out of the loop you are!

seriously, it is embarassing!!

And then you want people to educate your crater of a knowledge dedicit so you can ignore it and disingenuously maintain your position.

That is why I gave you a reread and rewrite chance,

You are wasting our time.

What's embarrassing, is after 100+ hours of MCU content not being "in continuity" with the comics, you suddenly think She-Hulk needs to be.

 

[Paul Andrew]

Got around to watching the latest episode last night.

I'm really enjoying the less serialized way they are doing this show. Relatively low stakes, mostly about Jen struggling to adjust to her new life.

It was fun to see a bunch of D list characters, especially in a sitcommy situation. But I was spending the whole episode waiting for Wrecker to do his heel turn, which surprisingly didn't happen. The final twist caught me unprepared though.

The whole show has been kind of a breath of fresh air compared to the typical higher stakes fate of the world type stuff that the MCU usually does.

 

[JPH]

What's embarrassing, is after 100+ hours of MCU content not being "in continuity" with the comics, you suddenly think She-Hulk needs to be.

Actually, what is embarrassing is that the show even states it is based on the comics in the end credits

 

[Picard102]

Actually, what is embarrassing is that the show even states it is based on the comics in the end credits

Take it you're unfamiliar with what the words "based on" mean. It doesn't mean carbon copy.

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

A few thoughts...

I'm not that familiar with the she hulk comics but I would assume there's different iterations of her character much like there's different takes on Batman, Superman etc. So maybe this is just another version of her? Doesn't necessarily mean it's an enjoyable version of her but many many superheroes have different takes on their characters. Discounting this series for that reason doesn't compute.

Some hated the new Pattinson Batman film because they claimed it didn't feel like Batman to them. Well some don't like this version of She Hulk because it doesn't feel like She Hulk should to them. Not quite sure how one can be ok and not the other.

 

[JPH]

Take it you're unfamiliar with what the words "based on" mean. It doesn't mean carbon copy.

Apparently *you* are the one unfamiliar with what "based on" means, because the argument was about continuity.

Continuity is a significant contributing factor when a current work is "based" on a previous work.

Thanks for another easy win!

 

[JPH]

A few thoughts...

I'm not that familiar with the she hulk comics but I would assume there's different iterations of her character much like there's different takes on Batman, Superman etc. So maybe this is just another version of her? Doesn't necessarily mean it's an enjoyable version of her but many many superheroes have different takes on their characters. Discounting this series for that reason doesn't compute.

Some hated the new Pattinson Batman film because they claimed it didn't feel like Batman to them. Well some don't like this version of She Hulk because it doesn't feel like She Hulk should to them. Not quite sure how one can be ok and not the other.

She-Hulk in the comics was a confident, strong woman to begin with. She wasn't this loserific pushover they have on the show.

SheHulk fans want her to be the strong, confident character she is in the comics. So, it is insane when people think a wishy-washy, complaining Jen is perceived as acceptable. Feminist insist women can be strong, confident, independent, and WE WANT THAT!! Her fans want that!!! Instead, a character who was all of those positive attributes in the comics is made into a joke, and those who dont know any better make bad excuses or hide behind denial.

The series is literally on the opposite end of the spectrum!

Think of it as if Captain America acted like The Comedian in Watchmen.

Think of Elizabeth Bennett in Pride and Prejudice avoiding eye-contact and forcing herself to eat soap because her "tone" was out of line.

Fans would go BALLISTIC!!!

I dont know if you saw the Therapy with Abomination episode, but yet again, they made Jen out to be an emotional, low-self-esteem loser. Horrible taste in men; can't check her celphone enough! Really?!?!?

My friend and I looked at each other while watching and wondered if is this a rom-com? Where is Amy Shumer?

On this thread, we just had people argue that she *is* like the comics.

When debunked, THE SAME PEOPLE literally about-faced and claimed the MCU doesnt have to be.

Then that gets DEBUNKED.

The show advertises itself to be "based" on the comics.

So, that is a lie.

And people are not only falling for it, but DEFENDING it with confidence.

And that gives fans who *have* read the comics and watched the show license to to tell the truth.

 

[Mr Webber]

Hilarious to see some people still whining about "monetizing" anger on the internet 5 years after The Last Jedi. Do you not understand the internet in the year 2022? Lol.

Do you even meme bro?

There is even a market for monetizing praise on the internet for the utter garbage being sausage factory outed by so called entertainment companies, trouble is, its a miniscule a market and no one gives a frogs fat ass about it. Go figure. Incidentally, I have no idea what this She Hulk garbage is about.