Disney + | She-Hulk

[Psab keel]

 

[Picard102]

Dude he works at a engineering firm,I’m sure he works around more intellects than idiots.

Idiots work everywhere, a lot of them have degrees.

 

[Master Boda]

Idiots work everywhere, a lot of them have degrees.

You are correct, I believe the term is “Educated Idiot”.Alas some have infiltrated the very entertainment industry we are discussing.

 

[CB2001]

You are correct, I believe the term is “Educated Idiot”.Alas some have infiltrated the very entertainment industry we are discussing.

I concur, but I'm wondering if they even are actually "educated." Seriously, with the way the current writers (including those that have written this show) are reacting, it's like they never had any fiction workshop classes (where you write a story and workshop it with the teacher and other students to get constructive criticism in order to find the story and character's weakest points in order to improve on them for the final version of the story). And with the way they are acting, they wouldn't have lasted five minutes in the first fiction workshop I was in (our teacher, Mark Winegardner, made it a requirement that for the actual workshop, we were not allowed to verbally speak about the positives of the story. We could write the positives on the drafts we handed out, but we had to also write the negatives and also verbally discuss the things that didn't work in the actual classroom itself, so that we could be accustomed to constructive criticism). It comes off more like they went to the classes to learn how to write in the format, but not how to create a story with well developed characters.

 

[JPH]

I concur, but I'm wondering if they even are actually "educated." Seriously, with the way the current writers (including those that have written this show) are reacting, it's like they never had any fiction workshop classes (where you write a story and workshop it with the teacher and other students to get constructive criticism in order to find the story and character's weakest points in order to improve on them for the final version of the story). And with the way they are acting, they wouldn't have lasted five minutes in the first fiction workshop I was in (our teacher, Mark Winegardner, made it a requirement that for the actual workshop, we were not allowed to verbally speak about the positives of the story. We could write the positives on the drafts we handed out, but we had to also write the negatives and also verbally discuss the things that didn't work in the actual classroom itself, so that we could be accustomed to constructive criticism). It comes off more like they went to the classes to learn how to write in the format, but not how to create a story with well developed characters.

You are talking about writing in a way that is true to the character. *That* requires honesty and integrity.

Nowadays, it is much easier to simply claim to be a long-standing fan, get the job, then write whatever the heck you want.

When actual, long-term fans post legitimate gripes, just dig in. Plenty of new fans will support the writer, if anything, just to be a part of their generations new version of a character.

This is the (new) way.

 

[Picard102]

I concur, but I'm wondering if they even are actually "educated." Seriously, with the way the current writers (including those that have written this show) are reacting, it's like they never had any fiction workshop classes (where you write a story and workshop it with the teacher and other students to get constructive criticism in order to find the story and character's weakest points in order to improve on them for the final version of the story). And with the way they are acting, they wouldn't have lasted five minutes in the first fiction workshop I was in (our teacher, Mark Winegardner, made it a requirement that for the actual workshop, we were not allowed to verbally speak about the positives of the story. We could write the positives on the drafts we handed out, but we had to also write the negatives and also verbally discuss the things that didn't work in the actual classroom itself, so that we could be accustomed to constructive criticism). It comes off more like they went to the classes to learn how to write in the format, but not how to create a story with well developed characters.

That's the problem with writer "education". They went to school to pay to be convinced they could write, or at least act like an authority, and get a piece of paper verifying it. The entertainment industry was better off before these places convinced fools to part with their money.

 

[NeoRutty]

I doubt you have too many clients that are famous for and would encourage you to twerk with them.

True… once I was on a flick an smoked weed in the edit suite with two famous stoners… but I’d NEVER smoke in there just cuz or I definitely would end up in the HR office…

 

[jts1031]

They actually worked recently with a celebrity whose family is from the Dayton area on a business project. He is WELL known for being a bad boy and even he was professional in that instance. Like zero coke or hookers in the meeting.

And was he "winning?"

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I can neither confirm or deny anything.

And yeah there's a difference between someone who is educated and someone who is smart. You would think most people who engineering degrees, in their late 20s, would know that metal bowls can't go in microwaves. But some don't.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

I can neither confirm or deny anything.

And yeah there's a difference between someone who is educated and someone who is smart. You would think most people who engineering degrees, in their late 20s, would know that metal bowls can't go in microwaves. But some don't.

Just recently worked with a ‘temp’ manager. He’s got a bachelors and a double masters, but has worked for a contract company, bouncing from hospital to hospital for YEARS, as he can’t hold a full time job.

Education and intelligence are two VASTLY different things.

 

[Master Boda]

I concur, but I'm wondering if they even are actually "educated." Seriously, with the way the current writers (including those that have written this show) are reacting, it's like they never had any fiction workshop classes (where you write a story and workshop it with the teacher and other students to get constructive criticism in order to find the story and character's weakest points in order to improve on them for the final version of the story). And with the way they are acting, they wouldn't have lasted five minutes in the first fiction workshop I was in (our teacher, Mark Winegardner, made it a requirement that for the actual workshop, we were not allowed to verbally speak about the positives of the story. We could write the positives on the drafts we handed out, but we had to also write the negatives and also verbally discuss the things that didn't work in the actual classroom itself, so that we could be accustomed to constructive criticism). It comes off more like they went to the classes to learn how to write in the format, but not how to create a story with well developed characters.

No they are not educated they are indoctrinated into this new idiot ideology.One side no longer knows the concept of constructive criticism,if one disagrees with your thinking you simply shout that they are some form of “ist”.Ironically it is like the boy who cried wolf,after awhile the terms will lose meaning.

I can neither confirm or deny anything.

And yeah there's a difference between someone who is educated and someone who is smart. You would think most people who engineering degrees, in their late 20s, would know that metal bowls can't go in microwaves. But some don't.

In their late 20s is the key word,our youth are being so dumbed down it’s sad.Even sadder imo are the older folks who you think would know the difference between wisdom and knowledge.We have entered a second dark age and it is showing.

 

[Bigdaddy]

And away we go...

 

[Psab keel]

In my estimation a third or fourth tier comic character isn't worth crying over. She's not as iconic or significant a character as many others in the Marvel lexicon. For that matter I've never understood the appeal of the Hulk either.

If I had to guess the frustration people here are expressing has more to do with the dumbing down of pop culture than it does with the character in question. It's just one more example of mediocre writing that dismisses the source material in favor of messaging to promote the current authors ideals, rather than honoring what originally defined the character. I can understand how that would bother hardcore fans.

My take at this point is to pick your battles wisely and vote with your wallet. As long as I have physical copies of the stories I love most, let these companies run these brands into the ground. If enough people stop watching or buying, maybe they'll start to hire better writers. Until that point nothing will change.

I'm also fine with stories ending.

 

[JPH]

Just recently worked with a ‘temp’ manager. He’s got a bachelors and a double masters, but has worked for a contract company, bouncing from hospital to hospital for YEARS, as he can’t hold a full time job.

Education and intelligence are two VASTLY different things.

Working professional temp can be awesome. Expenses and travel covered! I know folks who have done it for years. You show up as the hero to fill a necessary gap, a full-timer gets hired or comes back from sick-leave, military service, whatever, and then you bail.

Keep good books and nearly everything is a tax writeoff.

No politics, no BS, nobody imposing their crap because you can just walk-out.

Companies try temps to see if they are a good fit, but usually a temp wants to be a temp.

I wouldn't blame a temp for wanting to do what they do.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Working professional temp can be awesome. Expenses and travel covered! I know folks who have done it for years. You show up as the hero to fill a necessary gap, a full-timer gets hired or comes back from sick-leave, military service, whatever, and then you bail.

Keep good books and nearly everything is a tax writeoff.

No politics, no BS, nobody imposing their crap because you can just walk-out.

Companies try temps to see if they are a good fit, but usually a temp wants to be a temp.

I wouldn't blame a temp for wanting to do what they do.

True on all points, except the n this case, he was a self-aggrandizing idiot who kept telling us how lucky we were that he was there. But hadn’t a clue in anything that actually mattered.

 

[JPH]

True on all points, except the n this case, he was a self-aggrandizing idiot who kept telling us how lucky we were that he was there. But hadn’t a clue in anything that actually mattered.

I think that is called, "aggressive marketing."

Didn't Rudolph Valentino say something like, "sex appeal is 50% of what *THEY* think you have and 50% of what *YOU* think you have" ?

 

[JPH]

In my estimation a third or fourth tier comic character isn't worth crying over. She's not as iconic or significant a character as many others in the Marvel lexicon. For that matter I've never understood the appeal of the Hulk either.

If I had to guess the frustration people here are expressing has more to do with the dumbing down of pop culture than it does with the character in question. It's just one more example of mediocre writing that dismisses the source material in favor of messaging to promote the current authors ideals, rather than honoring what originally defined the character. I can understand how that would bother hardcore fans.

My take at this point is to pick your battles wisely and vote with your wallet. As long as I have physical copies of the stories I love most, let these companies run these brands into the ground. If enough people stop watching or buying, maybe they'll start to hire better writers. Until that point nothing will change.

I'm also fine with stories ending.

If their weren't so many contradictions, fans would be less vocal.

An attorney with newly found superpowers, who just wants to go back to being an attorney accepts a job defending a supervillain who tried to kill her cousin, who is also a superhero. Could she have been any more desperate for the job? So, a strong, independent, free-thinking hero accepts a job ultimately prostituting out her super-hero identity to free someone she ethically and morally knew she should not.

But don't tell her about controlling her anger

Dang! What next? Is her boss going to demand she wear a French maid outfit and serve scones during tea time, while barking like a dog?

From Savage She-Hulk to The Caved She-Hulk.

 

[sbaxter]

I wasn't a huge fan of that scene and didn't think it added much to the story but it was harmless.

For myself, it was harmless, if annoying. It is partly annoying because of how twerking has been turned into some sort of ridiculous political statement, even though I know not everyone (probably not most people) sees it as some sort of "weapon." But I have a 12-year-old son who likes the show. I try to shield him that sort of thing as much as I can, but he knows there are mid-credits scenes in every episode and he will certainly see at least part of it when he watches something like the Screencrush episode breakdown, so I'd rather let him see it and express my derision for it (tastefully) than make him see it as some sort of tantilizing "forbidden fruit." I wouldn't have to do that if they had just left it out of the show.

For those who aren't happy with the fourth-wall breaking (probably not Moonlighting fans, I'd guess), it has been suggested that there may be more going on with that than just joking around -- possibly something multi-verse related. I think there may be something to that, but we'll have to wait and see. I, personally, am glad they have included it either way. It strikes me that not including it with She-Hulk would be akin to having a Jedi in a show but having him never use or reference the Force.

SSB

 

[Picard102]

Could she have been any more desperate for the job?

They addressed this in the show. No one else would hire her. There was a whole montage about it. Maybe you skipped that part?

So, a strong, independent, free-thinking hero accepts a job ultimately prostituting out her super-hero identity to free someone she ethically and morally knew she should not.

She's not a hero, she's trying to live her life as a lawyer. Aside from her cousin being someone he attacked a decade or more ago, there is no moral or ethical issue with her representing him. Her job is to represent a client to the best of her ability, even if she personally thinks he should not be free. We saw nothing that would make the case he shouldn't be free.

 

[Riceball]

Just recently worked with a ‘temp’ manager. He’s got a bachelors and a double masters, but has worked for a contract company, bouncing from hospital to hospital for YEARS, as he can’t hold a full time job.

Education and intelligence are two VASTLY different things.

That's not actually an indicator of anything. Lots of people work as professional contractors, bouncing from company to company because they make more by doing that than by staying long term at any one place as a permanent employee.