Depp's Tonto...Anybody gonna do it?

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  1. sparrowed

    sparrowed Well-Known Member

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  2. Shylaah

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    OMG! And I thought Depp couldn't go more clownish looking than what he let Burton do to him as the Mad Hatter in AiW, but this runs a very close second. Also thought Tonto was a Native American. Looking quite like a Pelegostos who stole Jack's bandanna and wig and enhanced them with feathers!?

    As for the Lone Ranger......well, looking a little like he's off to a shareholder's meetin' ix-nay for the hat and mask??? Would be an easy costume to do though--a three piece suit, a white cowboy hat and black mask and there ya go!?

    Shylaah
     
  3. sparrowed

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    Captain Jack Spronto?
     
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  4. Wes R

    Wes R Legendary Member

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    That Depp costume's insulting to Native Americans (not to mention his casting) plus why does that dead bird on his head look like a prize from a fair?
     
  5. Godsmulligan

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    What kind of fairs do you go to that give dead birds as prizes? I would run like crazy. :)
     
  6. NoTsOsErIoUs

    NoTsOsErIoUs Well-Known Member

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    Tonto dismounts and places ear to ground

    Tonto: "Buffalo come"

    Lone Ranger: "That's amazing Tonto! How can you tell?"

    Tonto: "Ground sticky"
     
  7. TitaniumBat

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    Not defending the casting of Depp as Tonto but he is Native American.
     
  8. sparrowed

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    I dont get the "crow" hair accessory. :confused
     
  9. Dutchman

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    Agreed.
     
  10. Dutchman

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    Agreed.
     
  11. Shyaporn

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    It's a little sad that in the 1950's ABC found their way to casting an actual Native American on The Lone Ranger TV show, but here in 2012 Johnny Depp is cast in the role. He's conveniently rolled out the fact that he's apparently 1/16th or some other fraction, but it's the first anyone's really hearing about it.

    I'm sure they'll reprise some sort of "Dances with Wolves" storyline to explain the situation. We'll see - he's a good actor, so there's that. Still.
     
  12. aelynn000

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    It may be the first you've heard about his heritage but he's talked about it quite a bit leading up to ( and after ) his directorial debut and starring in The Brave, which was in '97. He's never tried to hide it. Personally, I don't run around telling everyone I'm Polish or Ukrainian.

    The poor guy gets guff for whatever role he takes on. The fact is, it's Hollywood and it's about money. This is meant to be a popcorn flick, not a documentary. People of not-that-heritage portray people of that-heritage all.the.time.

    And let us not forget in regards to his appearance, he may have some say on what he likes or doesn't like, but his overall look is designed to be that way by someone else paid to design it. Though I still have my money on this shot being for a single showdown scene.
     
  13. Galactifan

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    Hmmmmmm......is Tonto "good guy" or a "bad guy" in this movie? He looks scary.
     
  14. aelynn000

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    Found this interesting!

    I won't dance around it, I have little to no knowledge of the Native American culture but I'd think it's more of a ceremonial type garb than everyday...again part of why I think this is only a single scene look.

    I do like his armor/chestplate thing though..
     
  15. sparrowed

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    Crow hairpieces were apparently quite fashionable I guess.
     
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  16. Qui-Gonzalez

    Qui-Gonzalez Master Member

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    He is?
     
  17. TitaniumBat

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    Found this interesting link. There is a magazine article from 1988, assuming 21 jump street days that has a quote regarding his heritage ... although it doesn't really say how much. Technically I'm 1/64 myself :). But my gradmother who was a 1/16 was considered enough Native American to qualify for free health care.

    http://nativeamericanencyclopedia.com/johnny-depp-on-being-cherokee/
     
  18. Qui-Gonzalez

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    Good lord, the blood quantum for Cherokee is loosey goosey. My tribe is 1/4. After that, you no longer count on the rolls. So, if I have any children, they are screwed in regards to calling themselves American Indian. Weird, eh?
     
  19. MaulWalker

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    Yes, Native Americans had ceremonial dress and everyday dress. For portraits (either photo or drawn/painted), individuals typically wore their "best dress". A headdress is typically reserved for ceremonial occassions.

    This chestplate is made of buffalo horn hairpipe.
     
  20. Shylaah

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    I thought this thread was about the costumes/costuming and the other thread in the Entertainment and Movie forum was the casting and entertainment merits and factors thread?...........but :unsure

    Yeah, that "crow hat", that's really a scream--never seen anything like that. Maybe some western tribe's custom, but wasn't the original Tonto some northeastern or north mid-western tribe?

    I think those chest beads are a chieftain's thing. The original Tonto was suppose the be the son of a chief, so maybe he rates the chest beads??

    I think the Captain Jack Sparrow resemblance may be a bit more than coincidental and a bit more than just because it's Depp........I mean if they were not going to stick to the tribe and look of the original Tonto, they had hundreds of tribes in the US to pick from, so they pick long hair and bandanna and little feathers (and I bet there are trinkets also) tied in and little braids down the side and one feather sticking out quite like a sail fid and on the same side as Jack's............and the bird, the crowing piece, the tricorn replacement!!! :):lol:lol

    I can't wait to see more pictures, see the overall costume, see the Caboots!? :lol

    And anxious to see the rest of LR's costume,too. Not very western except for the hat, the rolled up neckerchief and it kinda looks like he's sittin' on a horse with his hands on the saddle horn.......

    There's no shortage of histories, pictures and illustrations of the illustrious Texas Rangers of that post civil war period, so no excuse to not get that somewhat historically correct.

    The Lone Ranger books and TV show were one of my dad's favorties, along with Fury and the Cisco Kid. I guess I have trouble accepting any pollution and/or perversion of those old classics and childhood heroes. That's why I've never seen TB's AiW, it's one of my favorite childhood stories and memories and I don't wish to see how he, IMO, perverted it.

    Shylaah
     
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  21. bpearl

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    Tonto is in battle dress. I know little of the native american traditions. What I have read about other cultures that when going into battle the idea was to look scary, and he does. I am sure Johnny has done a lot more research on native american's than many of us and it is a heritage that he is very proud of and he wants there to be a native american hero - why not? I am sure Cherokee nation don't have an issue with it. The only reason this movie is being made is because Johnny Depp is in it
     
  22. Dutchman

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  23. Steampunch

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    Well not to encourage arguments about rascism or historical inaccuracies but this is a movie based on a radio show from the 30's and a tv show in the 50's Tonto has always been a 'hollywood' Indian, by that I mean a Native American depicted by hollywood movies & we all know how accurate movies are.
     
  24. sparrowed

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    I plan on doing it $$ permitting
     
  27. paplooo

    paplooo Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    i watched the movie today and im a bit disappointed ... is a funny action stuff.. but nothing to do with the real story, lets put it like this,,.. is like a new movie of batman .- Robin is the Hero and batman is a clumsy / stupid guy, who want this?.. not me.
    also Jerry bruckheimer .. Next time a bit of research can help... Apparently nobody knew it how many bullets a revolver hold .
    def not a movie Im gonna watch again.
     
  28. spookykid7404

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    I'm about 80% done with it

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  29. annet52

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    There was a couple of "Tontos" running around at Dragon Con.
     

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