I have no problem with Capaldi being 14 and have David Tennant using up a regen even though he remained the same doctor. He used up just as much energy as he would have used if he had changed, and that is explained at the time. Just because he didn't change doesn't mean the cycle didn't get bumped. I have have no problem with the way he got a new set of regenerations, this is not the first time that the Time Lords gave out more.
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So when River gave up her regenerations, did she add any to the number he was supposed to have or was it just to keep him going that once? Like all hers were > one of his?
B-Movie Zombie
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I look at has if River bringing the Doctor back to life.
There's two sets of numbers here. Number of regenerations and number of Doctors. The regeneration into Capaldi was the 13th regen, but Capaldi is the 13th Doctor. Not hard to understand.
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I figured that was how they were going to justify it but it looks like they dropped that idea in favour of "Time Lord magic".
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NakedMoleRat
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I say that Tennant was the 11th and 12th Doctor. It fits as we had the series 3 whiney "I miss Rose.....where is Rose!....I miss HER!" Doctor. Then we have the series 4 Doctor with Donna who finally snapped out of his silly 6 year old whimper and began to man-up once again. So, yea.....he's two Doctors.
No matter what, Capaldi is still going to be called 12. They have never changed what any of the Doctor's were called, they just said that more regenerations have occured than we thought and finally came up with a semi good way of getting past the 12 regen limit. I for one am glad that it has finally been addressed and it is not something that needs to be worried about for another 50 years or so and by then I don't think I will care.
Well, both I and the show say different. Even in the 50th when all the Doctors showed up "No sir, all THIRTEEN!"
Including Capaldi there are 13 Doctors. Period. Any other conjecture is fan nonsense.
However, if you include Peter Cushing, Capaldi is indeed the 14th actor to officially hold the role of the Doctor. Cushing doesn't count in the timeline of the series though, for starters he's a human named Dr. Who...
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NakedMoleRat
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IYHO.....
In the show's opinion... which is called fact. "All thirteen" Doctors as spoken by Capaldi means that he is Doctor 13. Not sure where the confusion here is...
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NakedMoleRat
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Because Tennant was a two-fer. Next you're gonna tell me he's half human.
Not sure if you're being obstinate on purpose or honestly...
Tennant is not a "two-fer". Yes, he uses regeneration energy but he deflects it so that he doesn't change. HE REMAINS THE SAME DOCTOR. He's not a new guy, he hasn't changed. Regeneration used, Doctor number stays the same.
That's like saying when River used her regenerative power to save Smith he's a new Doctor as well. Nonsense.
The show has been plenty clear on how many iterations of the Doctor there have been. Not every use of regeneration results in a new Doctor, therefore the regeneration into Capaldi is number 13 resulting in the 13th Doctor.
NakedMoleRat
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Do you accept that the Doctor is half human? That was mentioned on screen, which makes it a fact too. It has never been denied...so he must be half human. There are those who choose to not believe it....why can't I be given the same rights as well to believe what I choose to?
Half human has already officially been explained in BBC sanctioned literature as the Doctor fooling the Master. But whatever. You have full right to believe the sky is green if you want.
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NakedMoleRat
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Funny poster.....ha ha. The officially santioned literature....the one off line in an American comic book......not sure the BBC read that before print. And green sky....so condecending! Basically you are telling me I am an idiot because I don't agree with you......nice.
*Sigh*
Nope, has nothing to do with me. You don't agree with the people who write and produce the show.
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JBReplicas
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All 13 Doctors - The Day of the Doctor - Doctor Who 50th Anniversary - YouTube
Peter Capaldi IS the 13th Doctor
Peter Capaldi IS the 13th Doctor
Angelus Lupus
Sr Member
The debate/argument over the numbering is likely to go on until at least the Doctor after Capaldi. Moffat really threw a curve ball on that one. Personally I think the 50th would have been much better without the War Doc. Imagine Tennant and Smith teamed up with McGann... it could have been brilliant!
But.. for purposes of marketing (i.e. labelling of figures, sonics, etc) Hurt doesn't count, and Eccleston, Tennant and Smith are still 9, 10 & 11. I think we'll have to wait for the publicity for the next season to start before we can definitively state whether Capaldi is 12 or 13.
But.. for purposes of marketing (i.e. labelling of figures, sonics, etc) Hurt doesn't count, and Eccleston, Tennant and Smith are still 9, 10 & 11. I think we'll have to wait for the publicity for the next season to start before we can definitively state whether Capaldi is 12 or 13.
Jaitea
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I see it as it was played out in the show....Eccelsons Doctor had mentioned to Rose he was Doctor 9......Tennent 10 & Smith has said he's 11 even though he was aware of Hurt's & Tennant's extra regenerations....so Capaldi should be 12.....McGann's Doctor should have regenerated to Eccelson's...but the Sisters intervened.....forcing his regeneration into the Warrior.
You can see in the mini episode that they used a younger archive image of Hurt, so it would be safe to say that Hurt's Warrior spent quite a long time fighting in the Time War....he ages very slowly.
In the 50th show he was still the Warrior,.....really only at the end of his life did he behave like the Doctor (all 13 mentioned),....thus forcing him to regenerate into the 9th Doctor,....he did use up an extra regeneration though to accommodate the Warrior
So really I think Capaldi is the 12th Doctor but is on his 14th regeneration......Hurt briefly behaved like the Doctor, but that was in his reincarnation as the Warrior
What will really balls things up is if Moffat scrips Capaldi telling everyone he's the 14th Doctor
J
You can see in the mini episode that they used a younger archive image of Hurt, so it would be safe to say that Hurt's Warrior spent quite a long time fighting in the Time War....he ages very slowly.
In the 50th show he was still the Warrior,.....really only at the end of his life did he behave like the Doctor (all 13 mentioned),....thus forcing him to regenerate into the 9th Doctor,....he did use up an extra regeneration though to accommodate the Warrior
So really I think Capaldi is the 12th Doctor but is on his 14th regeneration......Hurt briefly behaved like the Doctor, but that was in his reincarnation as the Warrior
What will really balls things up is if Moffat scrips Capaldi telling everyone he's the 14th Doctor
J
Let's face it. Moffat has just caused confusion and even anger just because his his huge ego wanted to address the regeneration problem during his reign. Whether we like it or not, things are now messed up and what we thought and referred to as Nine, Ten and Eleven for all these years has just been changed. Imagine if he had thrown the 'missing' Doctor between Three and Four, then there really would have been uproar. But we have to accept, however we look at it now, Hurt was Nine and everyone has been bumped up a slot from that point on 
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