Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files - Password in First Post

[wragostinho]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

Seems to make sense to me. Bear in mind that the files you are using are the V1 files and are probably not 100% accurate. I'm sure Dark will be sorting this for the V2 files. But well done for spotting it :thumbsup

After I did that observations I continued checking the dimensions and I found interesting things that I think we need to consider.
As I'm in my job and there is no Pepakura Designer here I will try to explain writing.

Let's think in the Abs file. We can divide the parts listed in it in ribs (involving the circunference of the body) and front (basically the abdoman).

When I apply the in Abs file the same scale of the Chest (as explained before 24.5) the top extremity width of the Ribs fit perfectly with the inferior extremity width of the chest, remembering, considering only the virtual verification, the two parts present a very nice interface .
As the next step, I opened the Cod file and applied the 24.5 scale. In the virtual verification the dimensions shows a very nice interface between the lower extremitiy width of ribs and the top extremity width of cod.
Remembering, both parts scaled to 24.5.

My conclusion was, the Chest, the Ribs (Abs file) and the Cod, virtually show good adjustment between them using the same scale, but the front abdoman needs to be upscaled to, in the case showed here, 27.01.
Only this way the alignment between the Chest and Abs will present a better finish as I commented in the previous post.

This way, I will rearrange the pages to print the ribs first and in sequence, print, upscale the file and only after this, print the front abdome.

Did you understand? If not at tonight I can attach pictures about.

 

[InCOGnito B2TE]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

To be honest I was basing my comment on your logic and attention to detail rather than anything else as I haven't reached this part myself yet. I'll bow out of this question now to allow other, more experienced builders to answer. :$

It sounds to me like you are saying everything fits in the 24.5 scale but the top line of the top ab needs to be made wider without making the overall width of the part wider. right or wrong?

In my understanding I would say that you probably don't want to be that accurate at the pepakura stage as the thinkness of the chest plates and ab plates will change in the resin/fibre glass and body filler (bondo) stages making for a lot of sanding and fitting later...

 

[cooper32]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

hello everybody,

i am Mario from germany.
last week i started to build my first Iron Man Suite. The Mark VII.
At First i will build a prototyp helmet to look how it works with the cutting, glueing and fiberglasing.

These are my fist parts of the helmet

 

[wragostinho]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

To be honest I was basing my comment on your logic and attention to detail rather than anything else as I haven't reached this part myself yet. I'll bow out of this question now to allow other, more experienced builders to answer. :$

It sounds to me like you are saying everything fits in the 24.5 scale but the top line of the top ab needs to be made wider without making the overall width of the part wider. right or wrong?

In my understanding I would say that you probably don't want to be that accurate at the pepakura stage as the thinkness of the chest plates and ab plates will change in the resin/fibre glass and body filler (bondo) stages making for a lot of sanding and fitting later...

You are right, I can adjust this things after, in fiberglass and body filling, but if I achieve this kind of adjustment in pepakura, the things will become very simple in the next phases. :rolleyes

Now the most important thing to me is the interfaces between the parts, I saw many projects here and in the internet that shows big gaps between the parts like Cod and Abs for example, I will try to achieve this kind of finish, look below (it isn't a MK VII).

This is from a Puerto Rico guy, perfect right? This is my benchmark for finish.

:love

 

[darkside501st]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

Seems to make sense to me. Bear in mind that the files you are using are the V1 files and are probably not 100% accurate. I'm sure Dark will be sorting this for the V2 files. But well done for spotting it :thumbsup

InCOGnito was right... these are the V1 files and when I made them I did not have all the wonderful reference materials that we all have today. The ab plates are not 100% the right shape but they are the right size. Everything should be scaled the same (or pretty close to it) in order to fit together correctly. If you scale the abs to 27.5 and leave the cod and chest at 24.5 then the abs will fit over the chest and cod. Maybe not quite but you get the idea.

Yo Darkside, has Tamasoft said wheather or not they've made an Update to Designer?

They have noted my/our suggestions and have really liked and aggreed that a few of them are good and should be incorporated in the next update. Although, they did say that some of these changes would not be easy but I think they are working on it. However, we will just have to wait and see.

 

[newtype2099]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

I have a funky shaped head. the 1.0 scale helmet (mark VI by sharkmark) fits, mostly, but my ears touch the side of the helmet. after doing the tester at 1.11, the helmet is way too damn large. enough for about an inch between either ear to the paper.

worked on the 1.05 model you provided, and upon finishing the top part (where the hinges would go) and the "temple" areas, it fits slightly better, and compared to the original model, it can cover it entirely - even above the ear pods. I want to finish the helmet completely before Iron Man 3, so should I scale this up slightly to 1.08-1.10, or should I finish this 1.05 model before i make judgement calls on its size?

 

[DevilFlash]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

My problem is, chest is good with scale 24.5 but I won't ever fit in a 24.5 abs and cod. I tried the 24.5 cod and couldn't even put the two legs in it. It didn't even go high enough on the waist.

There is the chest:



I guess I'll have to check when the back's done if everything fit with an upscaled abs and cod (same scale for these two parts).

 

[wragostinho]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

My problem is, chest is good with scale 24.5 but I won't ever fit in a 24.5 abs and cod. I tried the 24.5 cod and couldn't even put the two legs in it. It didn't even go high enough on the waist.

There is the chest:



I guess I'll have to check when the back's done if everything fit with an upscaled abs and cod (same scale for these two parts).

Well,I think that I am understanding exactly what is happening with you. I'm sure the same will happen with me.
I took my measurements here and the news weren't good to me but I think that I found the solution for us.
First of all I'm using the same scale that you, 24.5
When I compare my measurements with the superior section of cod. No way to fit or dress it in the standard way. The problem is the top section of the cod, it become to close but if you note the area below this section is considerably bigger than the other.
Then let's find possible solutions. The first one is change the way to dress the cod. I suggest to build it in three parts and connect these parts on your body using velcro or kind of connections used to lock backpack straps. You can easily check this possibility in the paper phase put the parts close your body and using some adhesive tape.
Look below the proposal.

Did you understand this idea?
The next proposal, in my opinion will provide a possibility to dress the cod in the standard way.
Just remove the top section of the cod, look below.

There are, one more option, apply the two proposals above together, divide in three pieces and cut away the section.

 

[sylvester86]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

Good evening...

I printed my Chest scaled to 24.5, it seems to be perfect to my size.

I'm using the following picture to have a idea about the proportion of the parts and I noticed the following.

Look to the points marked by the arrows in the picture below.

Theses marks show a perfect alignment between the chest and the Abs in this points. In the Pepakura Design I checked the distance between this two points and found approximatly 143mm, as I said in Chest ( scaled to 24.5)

Ok, the next step was open the Abs file scaled to 24.5. I performed the same measurement and the distance between the points, showed in the next picture, and the distance found was 129.3mm. I consider be very smaller than that I found in chest.

Trying other scales for Abs I just found a distance similar when I scaled the file to 27.01, this scale is very different from the used in Chest. See below.

I saw here someone writing something about the scale for the Chest, Abs and Cod should have the same scale. Is this right? Or I am committing a misunderstanding thinking so detailed this way?

Thx...

I think Darkside did the chest to ab connection right the first time... the abs are supposed to move freely underneath the chest... that would not be possible if the to points were the same size... but I can say that the shape of the V1 abs don't look quite right, so I look forward to the new and improved V2 files opcorn

 

[darkside501st]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

I have a funky shaped head. the 1.0 scale helmet (mark VI by sharkmark) fits, mostly, but my ears touch the side of the helmet. after doing the tester at 1.11, the helmet is way too damn large. enough for about an inch between either ear to the paper.

worked on the 1.05 model you provided, and upon finishing the top part (where the hinges would go) and the "temple" areas, it fits slightly better, and compared to the original model, it can cover it entirely - even above the ear pods. I want to finish the helmet completely before Iron Man 3, so should I scale this up slightly to 1.08-1.10, or should I finish this 1.05 model before i make judgement calls on its size?

I think you should finish building it at 1.05 and test fit the final product. If the 1.0 fit you but was a little tight and the 1.11 was way too big then I think that the 1.08-1.10 would still be too big. Finish the 1.05 and then see.

My problem is, chest is good with scale 24.5 but I won't ever fit in a 24.5 abs and cod. I tried the 24.5 cod and couldn't even put the two legs in it. It didn't even go high enough on the waist.

There is the chest:



I guess I'll have to check when the back's done if everything fit with an upscaled abs and cod (same scale for these two parts).

You seem like a skinny enough guy. The abs wont fit at 24.5? After you harden them you can also trim part of the edges back which would give you a little more room. The cod can be bigger than the abs just like the chest/back can be bigger... you might run into some issues if the abs are a bigger scale than these other parts.

Well,I think that I am understanding exactly what is happening with you. I'm sure the same will happen with me.
I took my measurements here and the news weren't good to me but I think that I found the solution for us.
First of all I'm using the same scale that you, 24.5
When I compare my measurements with the superior section of cod. No way to fit or dress it in the standard way. The problem is the top section of the cod, it become to close but if you note the area below this section is considerably bigger than the other.
Then let's find possible solutions. The first one is change the way to dress the cod. I suggest to build it in three parts and connect these parts on your body using velcro or kind of connections used to lock backpack straps. You can easily check this possibility in the paper phase put the parts close your body and using some adhesive tape.
Look below the proposal.

Did you understand this idea?
The next proposal, in my opinion will provide a possibility to dress the cod in the standard way.
Just remove the top section of the cod, look below.

There are, one more option, apply the two proposals above together, divide in three pieces and cut away the section.

Both are good ideas that I have seen being used before in many costume builds. You might not have to do 4 separate parts though. If you just make part 1 separate and the rest as one piece then the rest should flex a little to help you get it on... and as an added bonus you would be able to use the restroom without removing the entire suit.

 

[jasonamigo23]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

I have a funky shaped head. the 1.0 scale helmet (mark VI by sharkmark) fits, mostly, but my ears touch the side of the helmet. after doing the tester at 1.11, the helmet is way too damn large. enough for about an inch between either ear to the paper.

worked on the 1.05 model you provided, and upon finishing the top part (where the hinges would go) and the "temple" areas, it fits slightly better, and compared to the original model, it can cover it entirely - even above the ear pods. I want to finish the helmet completely before Iron Man 3, so should I scale this up slightly to 1.08-1.10, or should I finish this 1.05 model before i make judgement calls on its size?

I guess you could finish it at 1.05. Remember its supposed to press against the ears, so that's normal if its tight around the ears but just right in all other measurements. In fact most people cut holes at that part so their head will fit. Refer to ProjectEarth's build. Remember, what's important is that the lowest internal width (that's around the top of the ear section) of the helmet should be as wide as the widest part of your skull (not including your ears). Above all, I think a helmet is perfectly scaled when it looks just right on you from the outside. Hope that helps

 

[jasonamigo23]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

My problem is, chest is good with scale 24.5 but I won't ever fit in a 24.5 abs and cod. I tried the 24.5 cod and couldn't even put the two legs in it. It didn't even go high enough on the waist.

There is the chest:



I guess I'll have to check when the back's done if everything fit with an upscaled abs and cod (same scale for these two parts).

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this before but maybe the reason why it doesn't fit is because the waist width of the COD tapers down from the larger width of the hips. So even though it's supposed to fit just right around you, maybe the opening of the waist just can't get past your hips. I mean, that would be perfectly normal as people's hips are wider than their waists So maybe its not a problem of scale, rather you just have find a way to fit it around you.

 

[DevilFlash]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

You seem like a skinny enough guy. The abs wont fit at 24.5? After you harden them you can also trim part of the edges back which would give you a little more room. The cod can be bigger than the abs just like the chest/back can be bigger... you might run into some issues if the abs are a bigger scale than these other parts.

I'm 192 (down from 252) pounds for 5'10" so I'm not that skinny. Waist and hips circumference are more or less the same (a bit under 100cm) so I'm the "straight" (no pun intended) type.

I had to upscale the cod for two reasons:
- I couldn't fit in it so I cut a side of the cod (same way I use to dress the brace or neck), fit one leg and then tried to fit the other one. I still needed a couple inches to join the two cut parts.
- The cod didn't go high enough on the hips

So yes wragostinho, I tried to dress it your way but needed more place anyway. The second option doesn't offer enough room either.

For the abs section, on pep, with scale 24.5 the lowest rib is 28cm wide. That's way to tight for me. I need at least 10 more cm. But if I scale the pep with my waist's wideness, I have to upscale the abs largely (10-15%). I guess I won't stop to go to the gym for a while to lose those last 35 pounds and maybe take a coach to target the fat around the core.

And I'll use the idea of making the frond cod a separate piece to easily go to the restroom Thanks Dark.

 

[codriver]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

Michael aka Darkside ;-) could you please release some new Teaser's?!

In Christmas we have some present's and now for Easter time?! ;-)
Can't wait those teasers are like fuel to our work.

PS.: Anyone could help me with this?
Why when I write a post, there is a bottom in white?
I checked and I have no problem with my signature, indeed not even have any signature, therefore I find it strange!
Edit: I put a simple forum signature a few minutes ago and this same signature wont show :-(

 

[newtype2099]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

I think you should finish building it at 1.05 and test fit the final product. If the 1.0 fit you but was a little tight and the 1.11 was way too big then I think that the 1.08-1.10 would still be too big. Finish the 1.05 and then see.

alright, thanks for your speedy reply. i'll do what i can to speed build and post-resin i'll post back on here.

 

[wragostinho]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

I'm 192 (down from 252) pounds for 5'10" so I'm not that skinny. Waist and hips circumference are more or less the same (a bit under 100cm) so I'm the "straight" (no pun intended) type.

I had to upscale the cod for two reasons:
- I couldn't fit in it so I cut a side of the cod (same way I use to dress the brace or neck), fit one leg and then tried to fit the other one. I still needed a couple inches to join the two cut parts.
- The cod didn't go high enough on the hips

So yes wragostinho, I tried to dress it your way but needed more place anyway. The second option doesn't offer enough room either.

For the abs section, on pep, with scale 24.5 the lowest rib is 28cm wide. That's way to tight for me. I need at least 10 more cm. But if I scale the pep with my waist's wideness, I have to upscale the abs largely (10-15%). I guess I won't stop to go to the gym for a while to lose those last 35 pounds and maybe take a coach to target the fat around the core.

And I'll use the idea of making the frond cod a separate piece to easily go to the restroom Thanks Dark.

Alright,

I'm 5'11'' and 205 pounds, I will need to enter in a diet to achieve a nice proportional costume, because if I try to adjust the suit and only in the cod the scale should be 30 to fit :eek.
My friend, let's go to gym make some sports then. You in Belgium and I here in Brazil. I know only one thing I will finish the job and I will fit in this costume.

Darkside, you are being responsible to make me forget my lazy life and become a athletic guy. Thank's for this too! :lol

Good luck for us!

 

[JM24]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

Hey guys,
Finally getting the ball rolling on my build. I scaled and built most my first tester helmet to see if my measurements and scaling were right. All in all I think it pretty close if not spot on, but there is a concern I have. The eye slots seem to sit a tad low at my eye line and I cant see straight ahead when looking forward. More like a downward 15-20 degree angle. If I push the jaw and chin area of the helm closer to the front of my face the visibility is better. At current scale I CAN'T slip it on so I know I'm close, and it looks pretty good I think, but would it benefit me to shrink the scale by .01-.02 increments? Or can I adjust with extra padding once I build it in foam? what do you guysthink?

 

[Richie11]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

Hey Guys. Just wondering, should all the scales of each part be the same for a good proportional fit, or does it make any difference with different scales? Please help out!!!

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"I am Iron Man"

 

[Richie11]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

Also Mike, what height are your parts made for? i know there are differences however, just a rough idea.

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"I am Iron Man"

 

[jmgrice]

Re: Darkside501st's Iron Man Mk VII pepakura files **Update Jan 3, 2013**

Thanks for the excellent v2. Looking forward to the general v2 release files.
Resin and hopefully some bondo tomorrow. Set my hotbox up as weathers crap in the uk at the moment.

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