Casting off production made pieces , cool or not?

[GINO]

Ok , my pieces were pulled from the dumpster at fox studios , some were pieces that didn't make the cut and some were painted and discarded after filming. The general consensus here is that its ok to mold and share with this community . Does everyone agree?

If your pieces were meant for the production and not just your own personal project, then yes, absolutely ok.


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[lonepigeon]

You should be able to pick any props made by a pro member of this board. Let's take this (purely hypothetical but plausible example). Adam Savage makes something for Mythbusters, which by definition makes it screen used. He also made a LotR map that he released to the RPF community. Is it ok to sell copies of his items?

Not really a great example. Depending on what it was for Mythbusters Adam himself might remain the copyright holder. I don't know what his contract is with the show.
Adam was a model builder on the SW prequels. If you had a model he made for SW it would be fair game. Legally it was work for hire and Lucasfilm owns the rights to it. Adam couldn't even make copies legally.

The LOTR map is Adam's own design, not a copy of a film prop, either way it would be wrong to copy it.

 

[GINO]

Exactly.

 

[WookieeGunner]

But that's my point. Your saying it's black and white yet your saying that it is and it is not ok to copy Adam's work. So which is it, yes or no, can you copy Adam's work?

 

[scarf man]

It's not that difficult a concept. No you can not copy other hobbyists work without permission.
Yes you can copy original studio used one of a kind props if you own them.

 

[defstartrooper]

But that's my point. Your saying it's black and white yet your saying that it is and it is not ok to copy Adam's work. So which is it, yes or no, can you copy Adam's work?

They're saying it's ok to copy work he was hired to do for a tv or film production because legally he doesn't own it the studio/production company do.

It's not okay to copy something he made personally himself on his own time as that remains his property like the LOTR map.

Seems pretty clear to me.

 

[lonepigeon]

But that's my point. Your saying it's black and white yet your saying that it is and it is not ok to copy Adam's work. So which is it, yes or no, can you copy Adam's work?

You're not understanding the issue.
Who made it is not exactly relevant.

This board is about replicating props.
There are two options to achieve this goal:
1. Obtain an original prop and copy it.
2. Recreate it as best you can from available info and pics.

It's wrong to recast a prop you don't own (that includes copying a copy of a real prop whether it was made by methods 1 or 2 above).

 

[WookieeGunner]

Who made it might not be, but who owns the copyright is completely relevant. Gino said it is ok to copy something made by a studio because they are protected legally. A hobbiest who makes a replica is protected by the exact same copyright law as the studio, even on replica stuff. They may not be protected on Trademark, they might have made it illegally, but once they have made it they own the copyright to that replica, the same way a photographer owns the copyright on a picture they take of a picture. Therefore they are just as protected as the studio so saying the legal defense makes it ok is only ok if you can cast anyone's original work.

 

[Coffee Addict]

I've noticed in my short time and in searches that when this question is asked you get a million different responses and no real definitive answer. The question should be posed to the Moderators for an answer since its going to be them that Ban you for the offense.

Roy

 

[lonepigeon]

Therefore they are just as protected as the studio so saying the legal defense makes it ok is only ok if you can cast anyone's original work.

Not exactly. Their rights are limited because it's not their design. It would already be the copyright of a studio.
There have actually been cases of members here having their work recast as official replicas without compensation. They haven't dared go after the company that stole from them because of their own initial crime.

There's no reason to make it this complicated. It's been explained in plain english above several times.

 

[scarf man]

The issue is not one of legality, but one of ethics within our hobby.
If you buy something here just to drop it in some rubber and turn a quick buck, you are unethical in the eyes of the majority of the membership of the RPF.

 

[Beechy McFly]

Very true.. Definitely not about legality.. Hell we would all be in trouble then.. For prop makers and collectors, it's only about ethics..

 

[micdavis]

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[WookieeGunner]

The issue is not one of legality, but one of ethics within our hobby.
If you buy something here just to drop it in some rubber and turn a quick buck, you are unethical in the eyes of the majority of the membership of the RPF.

But if I buy something from Propstore London to drop it in some rubber and turn a quick buck I'm being ethical? Taking someone else's hard work just to turn a quick buck is taking someone else's hard work to turn a quick buck no matter how you justifiy it. Either say it is ok to do it or it isn't ok to do it, anything else is just making excuses for "I'm ok to do what I want, but your not."

 

[scarf man]

But if I buy something from Propstore London to drop it in some rubber and turn a quick buck I'm being ethical?

You're missing the point. If one buys an original prop for the soul purpose of making money off the community, that's unethical, and no where near the spirit of the hobby.

 

[GINO]

I'm sure it happens, but I believe the vast majority of people who invest into acquiring something original and duplicate it have a genuine passion for it.
And it is understandable that they would (or most likely need) to offer copies to people to recoup their investment, and maybe a little extra to help fund the next prop endeavor.
Sort of like the circle of life in the replica prop world.

 

[GINO]

bye bye spammer

*edit
there was a spammer that posted here but his posts were deleted

 

[RelicMaker]

I can't believe this page is already 7 pages long!:rolleyes

It's simple!
There are no ethics or morals here! There is just respect for our fellow members of the RPF and prop community!
We are thieves who make unlicensed replica props for sale and thieves who buy and collect unlicensed props to satisfy our need to own obscure props that will never be licensed, since there isn't a huge market for 'said' prop.

If the prop builder was a member here, and didn't want me to replicate something he had worked on, then out of respect, I wouldn't do it.
But, I've replicated something before without permission, and recieved contact from the original artist. This happened with my Goonies Map, and the prop builder was flattered that I replicated the prop so well. He wouldn't give me any reference pics to make it better out of fear of being involved with the production of it, but assured me that I captured the details very well and congratulated me on it.
If he had expressed anger instead and asked me to stop, then I would have stopped, since I respect him as the artist and creator of one of my favorite iconic props from when I was a kid.
I would have looked at it as a vocal C&D from the original artist.

So, I believe the general consensus here is that its ok to mold and share original "first generation" props with this community. At least I agree, anyway!thumbsup

So, again, I believe the general consensus is:

Original "First Generation" screen-used props that you bought and own - Cast Away!
"Second Generation" props that you bought from anywhere - Don't Cast!
Replica props that were sculpted, drawn, etc. by you - Cast Away!
Replica props that were not created by you - Don't Cast!

Do most agree?

 

[WookieeGunner]

You're missing the point. If one buys an original prop for the soul purpose of making money off the community, that's unethical, and no where near the spirit of the hobby.

Actually, I think your missing my point. When people are saying "I would not be as afraid of damaging the original as I am of not being able to recoup my time/$ investment." and "And it is understandable that they would (or most likely need) to offer copies to people to recoup their investment, and maybe a little extra to help fund the next prop endeavor." it implies to me that the rules are set up not to further the hobby, but to further the money that can be gained from the hobby.

To me the hobby is about being as close to what it must have felt like to be an actor on the set, to live in the "world" that is brought to us on the screen, whether that is going "pew pew" with my gen1 Matsuo BSG gun, or spending hours trying to figure out if Tarfful's bandolier is 4 inches wide or 4.5" wide, not about how can I make sure I can afford a new nifty or buying a reputation as "the great oracle of the secret screen used lore".

Isn't that why we are all here? Because we saw something once (or a thousand times) and said "That is so cool, wish I could have one."

 

[GINO]

Actually, I think your missing my point. When people are saying "I would not be as afraid of damaging the original as I am of not being able to recoup my time/$ investment." and "And it is understandable that they would (or most likely need) to offer copies to people to recoup their investment, and maybe a little extra to help fund the next prop endeavor." it implies to me that the rules are set up not to further the hobby, but to further the money that can be gained from the hobby.

To me the hobby is about being as close to what it must have felt like to be an actor on the set, to live in the "world" that is brought to us on the screen, whether that is going "pew pew" with my gen1 Matsuo BSG gun, or spending hours trying to figure out if Tarfful's bandolier is 4 inches wide or 4.5" wide, not about how can I make sure I can afford a new nifty or buying a reputation as "the great oracle of the secret screen used lore".

Isn't that why we are all here? Because we saw something once (or a thousand times) and said "That is so cool, wish I could have one."

How does that not further the hobby?
Where and how exactly do you think these replicas become availble to you, if not the way described above?
So you can have one, as you put it?

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