astroboy
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Especially considering that everything was destroyed when they first created cap
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Captain America: Civil War (Post-release)
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Snikt
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Haha! They better say how the hell she got lukes lightsaber. There should have been a severed hand in that box too.
But regarding this, they said that it made them berserk, so I guess it was something the Government had Stark cook up because Erksine was dead, and this was the best they could come up with? Story/plot wise, this was the only thing that bugged me.
third3ye
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We know other folks tried to recreate the super soldier serum - Hydra had some success in enhancing Bucky shortly after WW2, Banner was working on something similar for Ross when he got exposed to gamma, and same with Killian in IM3. It's not unthinkable that a man with Howard Stark's intelligence and resources could come up with a serum that works, though questionable if it makes one as strong & fast as Rogers and Red Skull (probably not). What's bothering me more is, if Hydra and Zola were able to enhance Bucky without any help from Stark, why couldn't they just have made more Winter Soldiers without relying on Stark's serum? Unless they wanted something even more potent than what they gave to Bucky perhaps.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
Regarding bringing a teen to the super-fight: It seemed pretty clear that no one was actually trying to kill each other in the airport fight, so it was always more about delaying and detaining. I think the only time where it got brutal enough to worry about anyone not making it out was in the last fight in Siberia. There is comic book precedent for that shield beheading people...
oh yes, with the nazi computer screen guy?!
maffhewdc
Sr Member
Yup! But he's actually more of a HYDRA guy than he is a Nazi. Arnim Zola.
joshvanrad
Master Member
Dat last act though. Daaaaaaaang.
Iron Man has been my favorite MCU movie since day 1, but this movie came pretty close to dethroning it.
Iron Man has been my favorite MCU movie since day 1, but this movie came pretty close to dethroning it.
Element 36
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Liked it a lot. Tom Holland was great as Spider-Man, and everyone was the best they've ever been outside of Hawkeye and Black Widow. Action was the best in any Marvel Cinematic Universe movie, especially that airport sequence highlighting both Ant-Man and Spidey. Black Panther was perfect here; so perfect in fact that I have no idea what they could still do with the character in his own film. The rivalry of Bucky and Falcon was endearing, and the friendship triangle of Cap, Bucky, and Tony was heartbreaking, especially in their final scene together. The only problem I had was the final twist, which the audience, at least I thought, were already supposed to know, especially since I guessed it from the opening sequence. Overall, I'd give it an 8.5-9/10. It's great, but small plot elements really diminish its quality.
I'm a huge lifelong DC comics fan, especially Bats and Supes. I read very little Marvel. The Marvel movies are better and have the added bonus of appealing to the general moviegoer who doesn't read comics. BVS didn't work for me at all.
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Cap's story is much more interesting and poignant when you consider his entire arc. TFA and WS each end with an act of self-sacrifice. He's paid his dues many times over and by the end of WS he's probably at the end of his rope emotionally. In Civil War he does something for himself for once - he puts everything else secondary to saving Bucky.
When Tony says he doesn't deserve the shield I didn't hear Steve disagree. He leaves the shield and goes off with his friend. Steve is no longer Cap.
When Tony says he doesn't deserve the shield I didn't hear Steve disagree. He leaves the shield and goes off with his friend. Steve is no longer Cap.
Snikt
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Thats exactly what Im talking about. And that was 1991 already. Bucky had been doing his thank for 50 years already. Hopefully it gets explained more, but I dont see a movie where it will.
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Aw man you think someone else is going to pick up the mantle? I figured Black Panther would make him a new shield, but you think he gave up being cap? He wasnt wearing any costume when he went to break the other guys out. Stark is such a ****** "my father made that shield, you dont deserve it". *eyeroll*
Snikt
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Keep in mind this was a Captain America movie, not an avengers movie. I thought it was rad that they had so many people in it already.
Fawbish
Sr Member
The power gets knocked out to the facility (which I suppose we can assume means that there is only steel to break rather than electromagnet type deadbolts or something...) and then Zemo starts the procedure. Bucky breaks out of his restraints during the procedure, and he is obviously in control, trying to get to Zemo to stop him. He could have actually covered his ears yeah haha. But then its quite hard to completely block out all sound I suppose.
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Did anyone watch "Agent Carter"?
Season 1 "The Blitzkreig Button" was revealed to actually be a vial of blood, one of ten samples taken from Steve in his early days before going into the ice. At the end of the series the butler Jarvis gave Peggy closure by returning it to her, which you then see her pouring into the water from the Brooklyn bridge. The nine other vials were supposed to be with the military but were "destroyed" during testing.
I never thought the vial Peggy got was the real one, I always figured Stark would have swopped it out, given his involvement with Captain Americas creation. When I saw CACW that more or less confirmed it for me.
Howard Stark had continued his research with "vita rays", probably aidded by Zola (who helped create "Bucky") so the new super serum appearing made sense, particularly with the "digital" Zola then ordering Howards death as glimpsed in CATWS and revealed fully in Civil War.
And thats what I hugely respect with the entire story arc of Captain America. Its as much about his friendship with Bucky as it is about Steve becoming "Captain America" for the military and, ultimately, rejecting his super hero persona for that friendship. Loyalty. Steve Rogers is that in a word,to the end.
Which is why when he drops the CA shield at the very end I thought it tied everything in the series together so honestly and completely I almost cheered.
And thats the difference between Marvel and DC .Nearly all the movies at their very heart are driven by the strengths and flaws in their characters, and its not the "superpowers" driving their development forward, its their struggle with those effects on their lives that makes their stories more compelling, and choosing at the moment of crisis the more humane and honest path for themselves.
Season 1 "The Blitzkreig Button" was revealed to actually be a vial of blood, one of ten samples taken from Steve in his early days before going into the ice. At the end of the series the butler Jarvis gave Peggy closure by returning it to her, which you then see her pouring into the water from the Brooklyn bridge. The nine other vials were supposed to be with the military but were "destroyed" during testing.
I never thought the vial Peggy got was the real one, I always figured Stark would have swopped it out, given his involvement with Captain Americas creation. When I saw CACW that more or less confirmed it for me.
Howard Stark had continued his research with "vita rays", probably aidded by Zola (who helped create "Bucky") so the new super serum appearing made sense, particularly with the "digital" Zola then ordering Howards death as glimpsed in CATWS and revealed fully in Civil War.
And thats what I hugely respect with the entire story arc of Captain America. Its as much about his friendship with Bucky as it is about Steve becoming "Captain America" for the military and, ultimately, rejecting his super hero persona for that friendship. Loyalty. Steve Rogers is that in a word,to the end.
Which is why when he drops the CA shield at the very end I thought it tied everything in the series together so honestly and completely I almost cheered.
And thats the difference between Marvel and DC .Nearly all the movies at their very heart are driven by the strengths and flaws in their characters, and its not the "superpowers" driving their development forward, its their struggle with those effects on their lives that makes their stories more compelling, and choosing at the moment of crisis the more humane and honest path for themselves.
astroboy
Master Member
I saw it again a second time. The one thing that struck me was how bad the "mise en scene" was. The locations really blurred together. Other than the opening scene, the whole movie feels as if it takes place in the same city. There's no sense of travel.
Other than that, it's pretty damn perfect.
One question I have involves the winter soldier. He worked for hydra, right? We're they German? Or Russian?
They still exist, right? Why did that facility in Siberia feel abandoned if these other winter soldiers were still in operation.
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Other than that, it's pretty damn perfect.
One question I have involves the winter soldier. He worked for hydra, right? We're they German? Or Russian?
They still exist, right? Why did that facility in Siberia feel abandoned if these other winter soldiers were still in operation.
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maffhewdc
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He was. He just didn't get punishment because he had was attempting to apprehend Bucky while Cap and Falcon were trying to protect him (which was against the government's agenda)
HYDRA originated in Nazi Germany but aspired to become global from the start. Remember there's the scene in TFA where the gestapo accuse the Red Skull of being a traitor when an officer notices Berlin was on HYDRA's list of targets. HYDRA has no national identity. They infiltrated the KGB just as they infiltrated SHIELD.
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Riceball
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There's that and then there's the fact that he's a foreign head of state and you don't just go around arresting foreign heads of states, particularly ones that you have no particular quarrel with. The worse they can do is to quietly ask him to kindly please leave the country and don't come back unless it's on official business and even then, no extra curricular activity.
