Captain America: Civil War (Post-release)

Well it didnt come off that way, so I apologize that I took it that way. Nah, I wouldnt want to get banned, but if they did its not like I would lose sleep over it. I like you guys and all of course, but if they banned me for one F word then *eye roll* Thank you though.

But anyway, back to the thread. I didnt get Antman's orange slices joke. Anyone care to explain?
 
Well it didnt come off that way, so I apologize that I took it that way. Nah, I wouldnt want to get banned, but if they did its not like I would lose sleep over it. I like you guys and all of course, but if they banned me for one F word then *eye roll* Thank you though.

It's alright man. I should've explained it with my first reply as well.

But anyway, back to the thread. I didnt get Antman's orange slices joke. Anyone care to explain?

Neither did I, but I think we can all agree that Ant-Man does the best laugh ever.
 
Cool. *handshake*

The only thing I thought of, and this is obscure, but when I used to play soccer, during half time someone would bring a big bowl of orange slices for us to eat. Like he needed a break or something? I dunno.
 
OK... just finished watching it.

I had to watch a crappy CAM from a torrent site because I live on a remote island in the Pacific that doesn't get new movies until they hit the shelves on Blu-Ray.
Don't judge. If it's still in theaters at the end of next month when I head back to the states I'll pay to see it x4 (me, wife, 2 kids), so I'm hardly keeping Disney from getting it's cut.

On to the movie.

The Good:
The airport fight was off the chain awesome. Actually every fight was awesome on so many levels.
LOVED Ant-Man going GI-ANT. That was AWESOME!!!

All the costumes were awesome.... except Ant-Man. Don't understand the need for the change. The helmet was cooler before.

Black Panther was awesome too. Can't wait for his stand-alone movie.

Tony Stank?

The Bad:
I'm sure it's much more spectacular in HD and stereo. I missed some stuff, particularly dialogue and non-English speaking scenes with the lousy audio. Like the trigger words for Bucky to go Winter Solider.
Same thing with Age of Ultron. Seeing it in the theater I caught a lot more. Can't wait to see it on the big screen.

I have issues with team Stark taking the position of "We need to be put in check" for all the destruction they cause in the process of keeping people safe and saving the world, but not really putting it into practice as they destroy an airport trying to bring in the criminal-Avengers. Especially when it's based on flimsy evidence. The immediate release of a fuzzy video showing Bucky in Vienna at the scene of the attack at the Sokovia Accords. They didn't see him do anything so it was circumstantial at best... especially in a world where you can wear someone else's face (Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D and TWS). Nobody ever considers that?

German Special Forces in Bucharest? I guess international law doesn't include trials... just go in and spraying bullets when Bucky was a "suspect".

The evidence comes out that Bucky wasn't involved... but the Avengers in The Raft weren't cleared a freed? The whole reason they're in the prison is BS. According to Stark they're in there because they broke the law. Exactly which law did they break? Helping a "suspect", when Ross/Stark had no intentions of conducting any kind of investigation? BS.

Ross is every bit the dirtbag he always is. I thought for sure when Tony was going to The Raft they were going to pull super-criminals out of there to hunt down Bucky. A little disappointing there. But I guess it would have been weird to introduce super villains that we have never seen before. Especially since the bad guys from all the other movies usually end up dead by the end (Obadiah Stane , Darren Cross, Aldrich KIllian, Red Skull). Is Ivan Vanko and Justin Hammer the only ones they actually put in prison.

Not a huge fan of the globe trotting. They're all over the place... like Age of Ultron. I feel like that kind of takes away from the flow of the movie.

The In-Between:
For those talking about missing the mark with the source material. For as much as we have gotten in the MCU, it would be nearly impossible to have every character that was in the comic version. That said... the scenes where they "go under ground" was a bit lacking. This would have been an awesome opportunity to link the TV MCU to the films by having Punisher, DD, Luke Cage, the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, even if only in cameos.

Poor Rhodey... oh wait, Vision was told by Rhodey to knock out Falcon's jets so he could only glide. No guarantee that he wouldn't have disabled the flight pack completely. Pretty Tony and Rhodey weren't going to turn around to save him from falling. He'd have been dead for sure. I'm not having a pity party for WAR Machine. I might be biased though since I hate Don Cheadle in the role and have been looking forward to seeing something like this happen to him.

After everything that happened, Stark still couldn't seem to let it go.

Aunt May seems kind of young (I guess at 52 Marissa Tomei is hardly a spring chicken, but Aunt May has always been kind of an old lady) and now they live in what looked like a swanky apartment instead of the crappy old row home? I don't know that the Tom Holland is the best Spider-Man ever. Il iked all of them up to this point. It hasn't been the actors as much as the lousy writing for the last movie from each incarnation. I didn't think Holland had nearly enough time on screen as Peter or Spidey for anyone to say he's the best. Still looking forward to seeing the next Spider-Man movie.

Love the "That shield doesn't belong to you. You don't deserve it. My father made that shield." part. Stark is reduced to a child. It would have been cooler if Cap gave him a final blow with "Yeah... he made it for me."

Who is the woman on the other end of Zemo's phone? Or is he listening to a voicemail of his wife before she died?

I kind of wonder if Zemo's final words are more of a hint that he was working for Thanos and this was all being done to make the Avengers ineffective during the Infinity Wars.
 
But anyway, back to the thread. I didnt get Antman's orange slices joke. Anyone care to explain?

i think it was a hangover joke. He probably had a splitting headache after going big.
 
Who is the woman on the other end of Zemo's phone? Or is he listening to a voicemail of his wife before she died?

Yes, it seemed to be a voice message from his wife about his kid.
 
I've seen a couple of people say that about Spidey's apartment. Er..it seemed pretty small to me plus he gets his tech out of the garbage. I would say they are poor.
 
The reason they were still locked up after bucky was deemed innocent is that they were in for vigilanteism, not helping a terrorist.

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All the positives have been raised already and the film is a 9.9/10 for me for all reasons explained and more.

Nitpicky points:

I wish the villain wasn't named "Zemo." Hearing that Zemo was going to be in this film threw off my expectations as a comic reader and it was a little disorienting because I kept looking for the connection that wasn't there. It's kinda like Into the Darkness which would easily have been 50% better only if they didn't name the villain Khan Noonian Singh.

It's not that I wanted Cap to die but some of the hype (e.g. "this is going to be a more heart-wrenching movie") prepared my expectations. I expected a more earth-shattering conclusion. The film had Crossbones, Sharon Carter ... I thought it all added up to the death of Cap. I guess they deliberately messed with expectations just for added dramatic tension. I don't know. The dramatic potential of his death as shown in the comics and how it affected other characters was something I was excited about seeing realized. And a small part of me does feel a little cheated that we won't get Bucky taking the shield (foreshadowed in The Winter Soldier). But maybe the public isn't ready for that.
 
I'm certainly not ready for Bucky as Cap. He was ready to go off the hinges at a word. I don't want the mass murderer teaming up with Tony. That shouldn't work and wouldn't, IMO...
Also, who should've killed Cap? Tony would've lost all credibility. I enjoy that they left it at separate but not entirely apart for the team. They just found who they needed to be with. Although it looks like Cap came out on top. Who does Tony have? Rhodes and Vision?

What was Vision doing during the airport fight?
 
I'm not saying he should have died but I did have my expectations tweaked for the reasons I explained. And, as wonky as it might seem to have gone in this direction, I have also learned that Marvel will find a way to make anything work - e.g. Thor (I thought that was going to be miserable but it wasn't), GotG (I thought they were out of their minds ... but it worked). Don't get me wrong I'm also relieved that Chris Evans is alive as Cap but I was emotionally prepared for the worst and to have Marvel drag my emotions through the wringer. It's not unlike the fact that Peggy dies. I love her and don't want to see her die. It makes me tearful just thinking of her arc - even just between Winter Soldier and Civil War, but it is a beautiful piece of storytelling.

If you don't know how cap dies in the comics go read Civil War. I thought he might die the same way he died in the comics.
 
I'm not saying he should have died but I did have my expectations tweaked for the reasons I explained. And, as wonky as it might seem to have gone in this direction, I have also learned that Marvel will find a way to make anything work - e.g. Thor (I thought that was going to be miserable but it wasn't), GotG (I thought they were out of their minds ... but it worked). Don't get me wrong I'm also relieved that Chris Evans is alive as Cap but I was emotionally prepared for the worst and to have Marvel drag my emotions through the wringer. It's not unlike the fact that Peggy dies. I love her and don't want to see her die. It makes me tearful just thinking of her arc - even just between Winter Soldier and Civil War, but it is a beautiful piece of storytelling.

If you don't know how cap dies in the comics go read Civil War. I thought he might die the same way he died in the comics.

I didn't want Cap to die honestly, because that would have been so predictable (given that he dies in the Civil War comic). I was waiting for Cap to at least get a serious injury from Stark. Maybe a broken arm? Maybe that's why I left the theater wanting for more
 
I think that the death of any of the main Avengers team in Civil War would have been premature given whats coming ahead with the two "Infinity Wars"movies . I have noticed that suddenly certain actors are talking about being "open" to extending their contracts beyond their current remit with Marvel. When ever I hear that I am always reminded of Dame Judy Dench at the "Skyfall" premier talking about how much she was looking forward to playing M in the next Bond movie (and a certain actress has also been saying the same thing ,but that's another franchise).
 
One of many haunting lines:

Tony: "Do you even remember my parents?"
Bucky: "I remember them all."

Yeah, the writing of this movie was great. I got chills when he said that too. One of my favorite scenes is when Bucky and Cap are remembering something from their past, and it makes you realize why Cap wants to protect him. The only person left from his past life is this victim, and you feel for him. Can you imagine waking up and everyone and everything you ever knew was gone? Then find out that the two people you cared most about (Peggy and Bucky) are still alive? Of course Peggy dies cause she is old, and your friend was hunting down and killing people while you were on ice. Man. Great writing.

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Another line that gave me the chills:

Cap: "Where are you from?"
Spidey: "Queens."
Cap: "Brooklyn."

I enjoyed that as well, like a comraderie was growing between the two because of where they are from. Since you read the comics, if there is a conflict later on, you know spidey switches sides and teams with cap. In the comics, Cap is Spideys hero. So, is cap out of commission until Avengers 3? :cry
 
I'm certainly not ready for Bucky as Cap.

My guess is we probably won't see Cap or Bucky again until Infinity War. Cap will return alongside a newly awakened and cured Bucky, who will be wielding a new Vibranium arm. Something could happen to Rogers in the battle with Thanos and Bucky could take over the persona then. I'm not saying that Rogers will be killed although that is a possibility. But maybe he chooses to retire.

Personally I would rather see Bucky take on the mantle versus recasting the role. At least that has a precedent in the comics. That goes for all the characters. If these movies are containing into future if actors don't won't to participate I would rather see new characters introduced than recasting.
 
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