BRRogers / Verity Cosplay / 7 Chambers - "MoM of All Heroes"

[Verity Cosplay]

Just throwing in my 2p regarding the rails...

I agree that it looks as though something has been applied to the rails rather than them having been painted. Maybe to cover up damage, as the box has been smashed to bits at some point post filming. Perhaps the original rails were completely replaced?

When it comes to building a replica though, do you go for the prop *as it is now*, or *as it was on set*? I guess that's down to personal preference.

I'm of the view that the rails were still brass during filming, and they certainly were for the ISYHCANL scene in my opinion.

They're distinctly more of a yellow hue in the cave scene than they are today. Shinier too.

Just my 2p anyway.

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I am inclined to agree with you DaveP. Incidentally, it so happens the beryllium copper we used for our run has a similar hue and reddening over time, although we used it for strength reasons given the structure of the canoe. But yes, I'm not sure they didn't replace the rails or cover damage with like foil tape. The ISYHCANL has always had this brass vs copper debate. With film lighting it is always difficult and we can't necessarily trust the prop "as it is now" because things happen over time. Just also me thinking out loud.

 

[DaveP]

I am inclined to agree with you DaveP. Incidentally, it so happens the beryllium copper we used for our run has a similar hue and reddening over time, although we used it for strength reasons given the structure of the canoe. But yes, I'm not sure they didn't replace the rails or cover damage with like foil tape. The ISYHCANL has always had this brass vs copper debate. With film lighting it is always difficult and we can't necessarily trust the prop "as it is now" because things happen over time. Just also me thinking out loud.

You can say that again! Figuring out colours seems to be the area that causes the most debate. Not a criticism by the way. Obviously, you have practical/functional considerations to make with it being an installable hilt. And the Copper looks great!

It only actually occurred to me recently that the rails appear to have changed between shooting, and being exhibited. I figured it could be down to damage.

Just another interesting piece of this props history if that's the case.

 

[Duskraven]

Personally I am more interested in what the hilt was like "in universe." Is it likely that Luke used paint on the windvane or rails? I don't think so. It's possible he'd use tape on the control box if it were functional (or if it were damaged and was hastily repaired). For this reason I prefer the copper parts used in this run (at least having heard about, we'll see if that changes in hand).

 

[Verity Cosplay]

Personally I am more interested in what the hilt was like "in universe." Is it likely that Luke used paint on the windvane or rails? I don't think so. It's possible he'd use tape on the control box if it were functional (or if it were damaged and was hastily repaired). For this reason I prefer the copper parts used in this run (at least having heard about, we'll see if that changes in hand).

Yeah. As i Said tho be aware beryllium copper DOES start out looking more yellow. It is NOT brass tho. And will redden. Not sure it will ever hit super deep red like pure copper tho. So ppl wanting that I'd probably suggest copper foil tape.

 

[Duskraven]

I think the initial yellowish color of the beryllium copper also gives the hilt some continuity within the saga. In RotJ perhaps the copper parts were a bit tarnished when Luke put the saber together, while in TLJ the saber appears more polished as a whole and the copper parts appear more yellow. (Yes I know it's a different prop, but as far as we know it is meant to be the same saber.)

 

[TheJediSmuggler]

Since I'm not too familiar with the materials for the windvane, what's the best material to use for screen accuracy?

1. Aluminium windvane with Antique Gold paint?
2. Bronze windvane?
3. Copper windvane?

I'm more inclined towards using antique gold (like mentioned in another thread), but I haven't seen a brass windvane before.

 

[Gregatron]

I think the initial yellowish color of the beryllium copper also gives the hilt some continuity within the saga. In RotJ perhaps the copper parts were a bit tarnished when Luke put the saber together, while in TLJ the saber appears more polished as a whole and the copper parts appear more yellow. (Yes I know it's a different prop, but as far as we know it is meant to be the same saber.)

Yes, but the later iteration of the prop varies in some pretty noticeable ways (like the emitter).










(...also, the Disney Tragedy clearly takes place in a nightmarish alternate universe, so I don't give a flying fig about the continuity of it in relation to the OT. I'm happier arguing about the ROTJ hero vs. the V2 being the "real" hero, thankyouveryuch.)

 

[Spyhunter2k]

Just throwing in my 2p regarding the rails...

I agree that it looks as though something has been applied to the rails rather than them having been painted. Maybe to cover up damage, as the box has been smashed to bits at some point post filming. Perhaps the original rails were completely replaced?

When it comes to building a replica though, do you go for the prop *as it is now*, or *as it was on set*? I guess that's down to personal preference.

I'm of the view that the rails were still brass during filming, and they certainly were for the ISYHCANL scene in my opinion.

They're distinctly more of a yellow hue in the cave scene than they are today. Shinier too.

Just my 2p anyway.

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This. This is what I've been saying for years...that as seen on screen, we're not dealing will all copper metal parts.

It looks like all have now agreed that the neck paint is something closer to aged brass, antique gold, or fresh bronze (whatever you want to call the neck color).

The rails, as seen on screen, look undeniably brassy to me.

The card traces...well, card traces did come in 24K gold, and though I still think there's a chance that was what was seen on screen, BRRogers did some color correction that strongly indicates that copper was seen at least on the card traces.

As for whether we should replicate how the prop looks on screen, vs. now...I fall squarely into the "as seen on screen" camp. Think about it, if you replicate what was seen on screen, you're either trying to put yourself in the shoes of the character, or trying to replicate a snapshot in movie history. Either option makes sense, at least to me.

But if you're trying to replicate how a prop looks now, you're trying to put yourself in the shoes of the rich guy who happens to own the part today, with the final distressing not due to intentional artistry during the making of the film, but instead due to poor handling or inept/inaccurate "restoration" after filming. The V3 prop today looks NOTHING like it did while filming, and I can't get over how many folks imitate some nameless dude's slapdash and inaccurate post-ROTJ complete remodel of that saber, vs. how it looked while filming. I honestly don't understand why anyone would have that preference, but I respect the wishes of prop owners to make them how they prefer.

 

[Duskraven]

Yes, but the later iteration of the prop varies in some pretty noticeable ways (like the emitter).










(...also, the Disney Tragedy clearly takes place in a nightmarish alternate universe, so I don't give a flying fig about the continuity of it in relation to the OT. I'm happier arguing about the ROTJ hero vs. the V2 being the "real" hero, thankyouveryuch.)

Then why did you bother replying? I know it varies in other ways, as I said it's a completely different prop, but is intended to be the same saber as far as we know.

 

[scohrdarkshadow]

I am inclined to agree with you DaveP. Incidentally, it so happens the beryllium copper we used for our run has a similar hue and reddening over time, although we used it for strength reasons given the structure of the canoe. But yes, I'm not sure they didn't replace the rails or cover damage with like foil tape. The ISYHCANL has always had this brass vs copper debate. With film lighting it is always difficult and we can't necessarily trust the prop "as it is now" because things happen over time. Just also me thinking out loud.

Would spraying the canoe preserve the yellower look? And if so any recommendations on what spray to use?

 

[Verity Cosplay]

Would spraying the canoe preserve the yellower look? And if so any recommendations on what spray to use?

yeah an air barrier would work. Renn wax or spray clear rustoleum or spray clear lacquer of some kind? Renn wax is probably the easiest

 

[scohrdarkshadow]

Thanks!

 

[Scotchaholic]

Any news on the crystal chambers?

 

[Verity Cosplay]

Any news on the crystal chambers?

Working out how I want to do the crystal holders and then it should be ready for spec and off to fab. I've made the bolstering adjustments I wanted to based on the prototype so now it's just crystal holders and spec.

then onto the rest of the chsssis!

 

[awhite89]

Working out how I want to do the crystal holders and then it should be ready for spec and off to fab. I've made the bolstering adjustments I wanted to based on the prototype so now it's just crystal holders and spec.

then onto the rest of the chsssis!

This is going to be so amazing when all is said and done, even your prototype looked awesome. I'm excited to see the final product in all its glory

 

[Scotchaholic]

This is going to be so amazing when all is said and done, even your prototype looked awesome. I'm excited to see the final product in all its glory

RIGHT?!

 

[AnthonyD2199]

Ah Drat! it's sold out on the 7 chambers website now.
Is there any chance of a second run of these at some point?

 

[Wraith20878]

Ah Drat! it's sold out on the 7 chambers website now.
Is there any chance of a second run of these at some point?

Yea, I missed out as well. I’d definitely be interested in buying one if another run ends up happening.

 

[Mark P]

I actually just ordered one of their elite kits myself.

Good News is, they said in the project run thread that they are planning on doing another run of the standard soon and a static version eventually as well.

I just couldn't wait lol!

 

[AnthonyD2199]

I actually just ordered one of their elite kits myself.

Good News is, they said in the project run thread that they are planning on doing another run of the standard soon and a static version eventually as well.

I just couldn't wait lol!

I hope they do a static one, I'm not much of an FX saber builder