Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
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RougeAvenger81
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Classy. Your first big film and you admit you were a drug addict the whole time. Kind of guy I want to hire for a big name character.
Robinson
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Actually American Beauty was a bigger movie than Ghost Rider, and he's gone on to be in the Hunger Games as well. I dont think ghost rider hurt him to much.
seelsa73
Sr Member
And lazy to boot. I personally don't want to see him at all...he was a great batman in TDK trilogy, but now that's over and so should that version of the character. And that Batman doesn't fit in this new MOS world.
RougeAvenger81
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Didn't realize he was in American Beauty. RGJ had established himself in a few good movies, even during his out of control days. Then fell off the map when he went to jail and got real bad. I guess I just see RDJ in a different light now that he is such a mainstream actor. I guess for wes to say that this early in the game just kind of puts me off to him. Now looking at him, he does/can have a pretty decent Bruce/Bats look. The black hair with ghostly blue eyes. I just haven't seen him in much of anything I liked to make me say YES he would be really good. Hunger Games was good, but he had a minimal part to it more or less. Not a character that was seen but for maybe 15 min of the film. Just my thoughts. If they picked him I will trust in Nolan that he knows how to cast. (Agreed that he has trouble casting females though).
Jawafive
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The rumors have me all sorts of worried for this movie. Using TDKR as source material would be okay if there were any sort of established timeline or history between the two characters. Why get an older Batman unless you're going to have him be the leader of the league later? They are supposed to be relatively similar in age and they sort of "grow up" together. I really hope they do this movie justice, but with Goyer involved I am not holding my breath.
coofunkcurly
Sr Member
To the general movie going public it is actually more confusing to have a new actor take on a role. You have no idea how many times I've had to explain the whole reboot thing to people.
Not sure how I feel about it but I am almost sure there is some truth to Bale being offered a huge pay day to reprise the role. Nothing more that the studio wants than this to happen. He is bankable and to the general public he IS Batman.
seelsa73
Sr Member
I know people who still think the TDK trilogy are prequels to the original 90's (+1 1989 movie of course) Batman series. There's going to be confused people either way.
Kirkysworld
New Member
So forget the fact that it is a reboot, I'd have Bale back as Batman purely because I see him as the Batman I've read in the comics, and seen in the animated short films. He's the best choice.
It might confuse some people but He's the best person to play it.
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It's true, you can't help some people lol
My mates get me to go with me just so I can point out stuff, like Characters and their comic history or get me to tell them about the movie cause they didn't understand it haha
Mektar
Sr Member
Sr but what? Comparing Bale to the batman in the comics isnt really accurate. He was a great Batman through the vision of Nolan's "realistic world" but he is far from a batman when it comes to a shared universe let alone similar to the comics.
Think they should concentrate on trying to make excellent or at least quite good solo films before trying to make cross overs. The avengers were all well established before the big one. So it was guarenteed to smash records. They probably decided on this before MOS came out. And with a new batman.... I hope they can handle this beast without building the new characters first. Its a lot to take on in such an infant stage.
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coofunkcurly
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Unlike Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man - Batman and Superman don't need build-up or solo movies. They have been household names for decades. Everyone knows their back stories. There's more ways to skin a cat than just the way Marvel did it.
Definitley see where you are coming from. But I dont think a justice league would guarentee records being broken no matter how well known they are.
Some people will have lost faith after returns and even MOS. So id argue that they do need to. Theyve made mediocre returns. Then MOS that wasnt bad but wasnt excellent by a long shot in my opinion. But theyre choosing to go ahead anyway. Batman was generally accepted as a better set of films. But theyre done with.
I dont think just because theyre well established in general is enough to take on a monster without getting the individual piece's right first.
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Some people will have lost faith after returns and even MOS. So id argue that they do need to. Theyve made mediocre returns. Then MOS that wasnt bad but wasnt excellent by a long shot in my opinion. But theyre choosing to go ahead anyway. Batman was generally accepted as a better set of films. But theyre done with.
I dont think just because theyre well established in general is enough to take on a monster without getting the individual piece's right first.
J
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JD
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Which is exactly why they keep rebooting Supes and Bats with origin movies. :facepalm
What you're saying isn't necessarily wrong - it's just not the way movie folks think. Their ego tends to get in the way and they feel a need to rework the character (via an origin) to satisfy themselves. Man of Steel didn't need to start on Krypton and Smallville... I think we might've gotten a much better movie had we started with an established Superman/Clark; same with Batman Begin - Nolan's quest to make a darker movie (not more "realistic") was sullied by his portrayal of a sullen Bruce Wayne with the ridiculous "training" he was put through. (...and yes I know these origins were used to set up the bad guys for each film - Zod/Rhas).
coofunkcurly
Sr Member
And that's where the problem lies in my opinion...unless it makes more than The Avengers many will see it as a flop. The stars aligned on The Avengers. RDJ, Whedon, weak competition, etc. It's enormous success had little to do with the introduction of characters in their own individual movies IMO. I think it played a part but only a small part. And really individual franchises are more about maximizing profit than setting up a bigger story.
They used the Disney formula to make The Avengers appeal to such a wide variety of ages and to both genders. That's why it was so huge. Now I'm not crapping on the movie because I did enjoy it. But I don't think WB has to take this same route. Great movies are made all the time with perfect character development. All without 3-4 movies preceding them to introduce the characters. It can be done. Now whether or not they are pulling together the right elements and will have a little luck on their side remains to be seen. It's way too early to pass judgement on a movie that they're probably still writing.
Like you said Its an unfortunate truth that unless it made near the same amount it would be considered a flop. When realistically it probably wont even if its great. I just think they should take what they can learn from the previous movies. Because ill want better then what iv got so far. Well not including batman but those are long gone. Although news today backs up 50 million offer for bale.
Most great movies made with perfect character development dont have 2 of the biggest personalities involved. Now 2 hours on one character turns to a shared amount of time. Giving less time for that development. Which im not convinced theyve gotten nailed yet. Which is why I worry. This movie has so much potential which is why if it naffs up then itll be worse then returns. Its a bigger movie so can fall harder.
Ill reseve judgement and still believe if done right this could be epic. And ill keep my fingers crossed. I just hope they dont go in thinking a film like MOS will do for this behemoth.
Exciting stuff!
J
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The real problem is Marvel embraces their character's and their history warts and all - when they veered, they paid for it. DC thinks the key to success is doing away with the past and gearing them all in the same direction as Batman. I read a Wonder Woman script about a month ago and the first half of the movie she spends with amnesia trying to become Wonder Woman - handled much like Begins.
YenChih Lin
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DUDE! WTF?!!? That's not WW…
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