OT = Original Trilogy
PT = Prequel Trilogy
Clone Wars = Clone Wars computer animated series that ran on Cartoon Network.
EU = Expanded Universe, which includes official Star Wars books, comics, games, etc. that don't take place in the movies.
Are there any actual FANS of Star Wars still?
- Thread starter seelsa73
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OT = Original Trilogy
PT = Prequel Trilogy
Clone Wars = Clone Wars computer animated series that ran on Cartoon Network.
EU = Expanded Universe, which includes official Star Wars books, comics, games, etc. that don't take place in the movies.
Zombie_61
Master Member
This definitely holds true for me, though I'd extend it to include any form of entertainment medium. It's nice to enter into a discussion with someone who likes the same things as you, but in my experience you run out of things to discuss rather quickly. Most of the time I'd rather have a conversation with someone who doesn't like the things I like, or with someone who likes something I seriously dislike. I might never completely understand their perspective, but I certainly wouldn't belittle or insult them for liking what they like.
seelsa73
Sr Member
I agree, but only to a point. Sometimes you get so passionate about your own side of the argument that you don't even realize you've been yelling at the other person until you're both stomping mad and walking away. This happens constantly to my fiance and I. Luckily, we see eye to eye on Star Wars (movies; he doesn't read anything EU.
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Zombie_61
Master Member
Well, yeah. Regardless of the topic, if you're yelling at someone rather than talking to them you're not going to make much headway. It does help somewhat though if that person realizes your attitude and tone of voice come from the passion you feel for the subject and not from the fact you're a loudmouth who thinks volume will "win" any discussion. 
EagleScout
New Member
Unfortunately we live in a finance driven world, you can't employ people just to be nice. Yes, it is a blow to morale, but in the long run, these decisions to shed labor and jettison unprofitable units is the right one. Disney now employs over 65,000 people worldwide and that's a lot of people to take care of. George was a father figure that took care of his people, but when his empire got sucked into the Disney machine, that family atmosphere was gone. A job is only a job, which is a sad statement, but true nonetheless. We can only hope that the essence of George's work will carry on and we don;t get crappy direct to video sequels and an annual Life Day special.
seelsa73
Sr Member
I think you be in the wrong thread.
Finally someone stumbled onto the truth!
Yes, but Stormtroopers are notorious for their blaster skills, or should I say lack off
lol exactly, just because someone happen to share name with another movie(Terminator 3, Terminator Salvation) doesn't mean they have anything to do with the others.
seelsa73
Sr Member
Yes it does! Unless announced otherwise, these movies have everything to do with each other. Just because an individual dislikes a movie's sequel (or prequel) does not in any way make that movie not a part of the series. I'd like to give you a quote from Niel deGrass Tyson that, while talking about something completely different, has relevance to my argument. He said, "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe it." Replace the word "science" with "movie sequels" and "believe it" with "want it to", and it makes my point pretty well.
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Solo4114
Master Member
Except science isn't fiction. The great thing about stories is that, even though someone tells one, I don't have to listen to it or acknowledge it. Science, on the other hand, is a description of the reality occurring around us.
So, no, the mere fact that some ******* in Hollywood writes a craptastic script and slaps "Part 8" on to an existing brand doesn't mean I need to recognize its legitimacy. "Official" != "legitimate."
I determine what's legitimate.
The studio and licensing guys determine what's official.
You like 'em? Groovy. You go ahead and incorporate them into "your" story. But I'm incorporating only the parts I like. That's because, unlike science, art is an INTERACTION between author and audience, rather than a one-way street.
seelsa73
Sr Member
That's not the way i see it. But the great thing about fandom is that we don't all have to agree on everything, we just have to (or maybe "should" is a better word to use) get along.
Although i find Halloween III to be an exception to my viewpoint: the damn thing didn't even exist in the same reality as the first 2 (or anything that came after in the "same" series).
Although i find Halloween III to be an exception to my viewpoint: the damn thing didn't even exist in the same reality as the first 2 (or anything that came after in the "same" series).
Solo4114
Master Member
What I'm getting at is that art and consumption of art -- particularly in popular culture -- is not a strictly top-down affair. The artist doesn't dictate the audience's experience of their art. They influence it, sure, but it's a lot more fluid than "Here. This is my art, and you will accept it however I say." And this goes beyond merely liking a particular piece or not.
Storytelling in particular is vulnerable to this because, in my opinion, the art of storytelling is vastly different from purely visual arts (e.g. sculpture, painting, etc.), or other performance arts (e.g. music, dance). There's overlap, but to me storytelling involves a lot more audience participation rather than passive consumption.
Stories are also, in my opinion, far more open to audience contribution and creation. When the storyteller finishes and the audience says "And then what happened?" where the storyteller fails to answer the question, the audience can just as easily fill in the blanks for themselves. It isn't the "official" story, but it's every bit as legitimate in an artistic sense as what the storyteller created. The role of storyteller has simply shifted from one author to another.
I should be clear that this is also COMPLETELY separate from the legal notions of authorship and creation. In that sense, the creator or rights-holder has every right to dictate what is "officially" part of the story's continuity. But bear in mind that authority is derived from law only, and only applies to what may legally be presented to the public, reproduced, etc. (all the exclusive rights granted under copyright law).
Aside from that, the author has no exclusive claim on imagination or creativity. They can tell me "Then, Luke Skywalker opened a bakery where he sold wookiee cookies for many years, until one day he decided to diversify his holdings into inter-system finance, tibanna gas mining, and the import and export of Corellian brandy, all to serve as a legitimate front to his illegal spice dealing activities." But it doesn't mean I have to agree with them.
If you accept the PT, the EU, the video games, the Holiday Special, etc., recognize that this is your choice to do so. No one can force you to accept them; you do that of your own free will. Just because George Lucas or Mickey Mouse says "In the next Star Wars story, Lando Calrissian gets a sex change" doesn't mean you HAVE to accept it and incorporate it into your experience of Star Wars. Ultimately, that's what I'm getting at when I say that I'm the final arbiter on what my experience of Star Wars is. Lucas, The Mouse, or whoever else can tell me whatever they like, but it's up to me what I choose to accept and incorporate.
Storytelling in particular is vulnerable to this because, in my opinion, the art of storytelling is vastly different from purely visual arts (e.g. sculpture, painting, etc.), or other performance arts (e.g. music, dance). There's overlap, but to me storytelling involves a lot more audience participation rather than passive consumption.
Stories are also, in my opinion, far more open to audience contribution and creation. When the storyteller finishes and the audience says "And then what happened?" where the storyteller fails to answer the question, the audience can just as easily fill in the blanks for themselves. It isn't the "official" story, but it's every bit as legitimate in an artistic sense as what the storyteller created. The role of storyteller has simply shifted from one author to another.
I should be clear that this is also COMPLETELY separate from the legal notions of authorship and creation. In that sense, the creator or rights-holder has every right to dictate what is "officially" part of the story's continuity. But bear in mind that authority is derived from law only, and only applies to what may legally be presented to the public, reproduced, etc. (all the exclusive rights granted under copyright law).
Aside from that, the author has no exclusive claim on imagination or creativity. They can tell me "Then, Luke Skywalker opened a bakery where he sold wookiee cookies for many years, until one day he decided to diversify his holdings into inter-system finance, tibanna gas mining, and the import and export of Corellian brandy, all to serve as a legitimate front to his illegal spice dealing activities." But it doesn't mean I have to agree with them.
If you accept the PT, the EU, the video games, the Holiday Special, etc., recognize that this is your choice to do so. No one can force you to accept them; you do that of your own free will. Just because George Lucas or Mickey Mouse says "In the next Star Wars story, Lando Calrissian gets a sex change" doesn't mean you HAVE to accept it and incorporate it into your experience of Star Wars. Ultimately, that's what I'm getting at when I say that I'm the final arbiter on what my experience of Star Wars is. Lucas, The Mouse, or whoever else can tell me whatever they like, but it's up to me what I choose to accept and incorporate.
I was just gonna mention Halloween 3 actually... T3 and TS falls into the same "exception pit".
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