ANOVOS issues (ANOVOS ONLY discussion)

[oblagon]

Having worked directly with Disney and other licenses, the comment of Disney or some other property holder stopping or holding up production of a product makes me laugh.

In my experience it took about a day or three days at most to get feedback from Disney; never once did they hold up the process. In fact they were often times pushing us to get something out quickly when our company wanted to hold on and revisit a detail or refine something.

 

[Lichtbringer]

Well, knowing how LFL handles approval of Modelkits before their release ..... there is nothing that can make me wonder anymore.

 

[Nocternus]

I think they mated with the devil, and are now paying the price for it.

They and their name, probably even their future business is now the frontbumper for a truck that´s owned and steered by Disney. Disney get´s all it´s wishes without standing in the line of fire. And i´m sure Anovos are not even in a position to communicate that. No matter what Disney does to delay products to their own wanted time schedule, if Anovos would say us "Sorry, but another delay has happened due to Disney not giving approval for .....xyz.) - Disney would not be pleased. And that wouldn´t ease the business between them. :lol

But that does not explain the complaints I'm seeing from Star trek fans

 

[KrangPrime]

Having worked directly with Disney and other licenses, the comment of Disney or some other property holder stopping or holding up production of a product makes me laugh.

In my experience it took about a day or three days at most to get feedback from Disney; never once did they hold up the process. In fact they were often times pushing us to get something out quickly when our company wanted to hold on and revisit a detail or refine something.

yeah.

If I had to take a guess, it's not disney. companies usually arn't concerned about quality or quantity. they just want to get it out out out...

I personally think this is a case of anovos moving too quickly too fast and possibly not having enough people to work on all the stuff they announced.

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Ah, rampant speculation. Clearly everything is a web of lies and deception, yes. :rolleyes
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The world is so bat crap crazy these days, i'm more likely to believe the professor with the tin foil hat on the street and bags for shoes.
one of them is bound to be right

 

[Sv3onSA]

The real reason behind Anovos delays :

 

[craigjohn]

Just some general thoughts on the situation.

It's easy to say, "well, Disney has got them jumping through hoops and that's why everything is delayed". But Disney/Lucasfilm are licensing machines. It does them no good to keep merchandise out of consumer's hands. Think of all the Star Wars, Marvel, Disney merchandise that's out there. And a lot of that stuff is timed to coincide with a movie release. Licensees have a short window to get products out while a movie is in theaters. They do it all the time. It really shouldn't matter what the product is. So what's really going on?

Bingo. If THIS can get out in customer's hands two months prior to Rogue One actually being released...



...um...

 

[Nocternus]

Bingo. If THIS can get out in customer's hands two months prior to Rogue One actually being released...

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Actually that is a great example those are toys aimed at kids therefore the safety tests would be more stringent yet here they are on the shelves

 

[Lichtbringer]

But that does not explain the complaints I'm seeing from Star trek fans

Not directly, but as they are a small company it would be no wonder if financial problems from SW would effect all their business.

And that´s the main reason i will not order anything from them that´s not directly available.

 

[Lichtbringer]

Actually that is a great example those are toys aimed at kids therefore the safety tests would be more stringent yet here they are on the shelves

There are not only safety tests.

Their tiered quality system (roughly toys/costume/props) brings on some funny decisions - they already had it with model kits, and i know from kits that didn´t get approved due to being not toyish enough for the bought license tier. Needed to be made again. It is a minefield.

 

[gman71]

Hey GotMaul, can you suggest to your whomevers that they post pictures of the finalized items you have that are expected to ship in Q4 here in this forum ASAP so you can put some minds at ease? Thanks, friend!

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

...It's easy to say, "well, Disney has got them jumping through hoops and that's why everything is delayed". But Disney/Lucasfilm are licensing machines. It does them no good to keep merchandise out of consumer's hands. Think of all the Star Wars, Marvel, Disney merchandise that's out there. And a lot of that stuff is timed to coincide with a movie release. Licensees have a short window to get products out while a movie is in theaters. They do it all the time. It really shouldn't matter what the product is....

 

[Nocternus]

Hey GotMaul, can you suggest to your whomevers that they post pictures of the finalized items you have that are expected to ship in Q4 here in this forum ASAP so you can put some minds at ease? Thanks, friend!

He said in this thread already they cant do that :-(

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One of the "finer" details of this license is that everything, is subject to marketing approval. Any type of media has to be entered into the system and LFL has to approve it. So, I cannot just show you a pic unfortunately and from previous submissions, a non-final product pic wouldn't fly. This is also the reason why we had to stop manufacturing pics during our TK run.

I wish I could, really ! It would be all too easy in the old days. But I have to rely on what we have done, which is ship thousands of TK kits, Star Trek outfits, hundreds of Bespins and all kinds of stuff as our street cred. Its the only thing I can offer, sorry.

Here is the reply when I asked

 

[ggriffaw]

The Hasbro BS stormtrooper is a good example of a product Lucasfilm and Hasbro wants released in a certain time frame so it is available while demand is highest. Same for the Anovos FO standard stormtrooper helmet. Items like an OT Han Solo belt don't have this same peak period for sales. I could certainly believe some products are given priority over others for this reason. That's just maximizing sales, not a conspiracy theory.

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[Mara Jade's Father]

The operator of a ponzi scheme is misleading investors as far as the source of the returns and can be put in jail for running the scheme. The later investors get very little if any returns.

There is no deception in tiered pricing. The customers know what the terms are and what they expect in return for placing an order.

There are legal ways and illegal ways to withdraw money from a bank. They both involve withdrawing money, but they certainly are not the same thing. Being legal or illegal is a huge difference.

How many people have been put in jail for offering tiered pricing or pre-sales? People have been put in jail for running ponzi schemes.

I do not know what is more disturbing...

The fact that Anovos is a Ponzi scheme.

or

That so much effort must be made just to explain that Anovos is not a Ponzi scheme.

:confused

 

[Lichtbringer]

Seems you are a little bit pissed.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

Seems you are a little bit pissed.

Really it's just overwhelming disappointment. People who should know better about how others want to be treated because they to have been there and complained and fought against the same type of treatment.

If someone on this board had received Tens of Thousands of Dollars in products that were suppose to be delivered 1 and 2 years ago, they would have been banned from this board by now.

 

[KrangPrime]

Really it's just overwhelming disappointment. People who should know better about how others want to be treated because they to have been there and complained and fought against the same type of treatment.

If someone on this board had received Tens of Thousands of Dollars in products that were suppose to be delivered 1 and 2 years ago, they would have been banned from this board by now.

lots o double standards in places.....

but yeah, in this case, it's just dissapointment and anger at having to wait so long for stuff WHILE having to pay upfront no less a large amount of money.


If you only had to pay say $200 of $2,000 and the rest later, i bet people would be a TAD more patient. but after 2 years, probably not by much

 

[Lichtbringer]

I still think they´ve gone blue-eyed into this business, and were intercepted by big company way of doing thing. Trouble and unexpected delays cumulated to the point they are now.

Atm. i wouldn´t order anything that´s not available from them. I trust in them doing their level best, but i´m not sure the circumstances are in a way they are enabled to do it as it should be.

 

[ThomasBond]

Really it's just overwhelming disappointment. People who should know better about how others want to be treated because they to have been there and complained and fought against the same type of treatment.

If someone on this board had received Tens of Thousands of Dollars in products that were suppose to be delivered 1 and 2 years ago, they would have been banned from this board by now.

This I can not disagree with. I am still hopeful and a little more forgiving but Anovos definitely needs to step up and get some stuff squared away. Unlike EFX I do think Anovos is trying and I truly hope they succeed because so far I have been very happy with their products and the potential for future products is unlimited they just need to get it together.

Also Got Maul needs to get back in here and take the fire.

I have to disagree about the banning. Although you are correct in many cases there are numerous examples, one huge one in the Studio Scale Model section, where a member has taken a lot of money and is years behind but as long as they are coming here, offering updates, and eventually delivering products the forum seems to be very forgiving. I think too forgiving in some cases and it is not consistent for sure with various members.

The Anovos situation is disappointing for sure but I still have hope.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

I have to disagree about the banning. Although you are correct in many cases there are numerous examples, one huge one in the Studio Scale Model section, where a member has taken a lot of money and is years behind but as long as they are coming here, offering updates, and eventually delivering products the forum seems to be very forgiving. I think too forgiving in some cases and it is not consistent for sure with various members.

Let me be clear. I am not proposing member's associated with Anovos be banned as it really wouldn't solve anything.

My point is that as a community, we have a reasonable level of what we tolerate. Although the admin of this board does not reflect all of our own personal views all of the time, it does a reasonable job as to reflect an overall tone of what we feel is acceptable and not acceptable in our hobby. My statement is meant to illustrate that Anovos has surpassed the accepted tolerances of what is acceptable in a seller/dealer.

If those members have any sense of decency left, they should be ashamed of how they have treated their customers and the members of their shared community.