ANOVOS issues (ANOVOS ONLY discussion)

[ThomasBond]

This is currently on the Anovos Release Calendar under helmets??????

Star Wars: The Force Awakens: Kylo Ren

Cancelled

Okay it's the Standard line, not the premier.

My Bad

 

[BudaFett]

This is currently on the Anovos Release Calendar under helmets??????

Star Wars: The Force Awakens: Kylo Ren

Cancelled

Okay it's the Standard line, not the premier.

My Bad

Yeah, they announced that awhile ago. They also gave people discounts on the premier who ordered the standard.

 

[craigjohn]

Come on people! Hurry up and jump on that FOTK preorder! Anovos needs money so that they can afford to ship out all the stuff sitting in their fulfillment center!

So get on it! Give them more money! I want my stuff!

:rolleyes

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Those probably are the neckseals we were supposed to get with the OT TK's

What are you talking about?!? Look at all the items that are SOLD OUT!

https://www.anovos.com/collections/star-wars

The only reason they would have a shortage of money is if they didn't charge enough.....money....for their products.....to....actually sustain their business.

 

[Mara Jade's Father]

The only reason they would have a shortage of money is if they didn't charge enough.....money....for their products.....to....actually sustain their business.

Exactly.

And I think that is a real possibility. As I stated before. Time is money. Take the Solo rig. If they really did believe they could deliver late summer of 2014 (their first ETA). Then they did not plan on the extra two years when pricing. Time is money... that's not just a saying. This it time that they spent money on costs such of redesign, manufacturing, quality checks, not to mention almost a year of storage costs since they have had the rigs stateside for a while now. The money they got for those is long gone. Now you have to ask, did they have to use planned profits from later pre-sales such as Trooper, Vader, etc.. to cover costs of the rig? They also had employees to pay, travel, convention costs, advertising, website costs, and other multiple business costs as well as prototypes for new items.

 

[Nocternus]

So has anyone had anything in regards to the more effective communication that was talked about?

 

[zeroskillz]

Exactly.

And I think that is a real possibility. As I stated before. Time is money. Take the Solo rig. If they really did believe they could deliver late summer of 2014 (their first ETA). Then they did not plan on the extra two years when pricing. Time is money... that's not just a saying. This it time that they spent money on costs such of redesign, manufacturing, quality checks, not to mention almost a year of storage costs since they have had the rigs stateside for a while now. The money they got for those is long gone. Now you have to ask, did they have to use planned profits from later pre-sales such as Trooper, Vader, etc.. to cover costs of the rig? They also had employees to pay, travel, convention costs, advertising, website costs, and other multiple business costs as well as prototypes for new items.

They have openly admitted to using money from pre-sales of one product to pay for another. I really do believe they're juggling funds at this point. That's the only reason I can imagine would keep them from shipping things that are paid for and sitting at the fulfillment center. I guess the other possibility is that the fulfillment center is super understaffed. Who knows, but they're really starting to get a house of cards vibe.

 

[ggriffaw]

They have openly admitted to using money from pre-sales of one product to pay for another. I really do believe they're juggling funds at this point. That's the only reason I can imagine would keep them from shipping things that are paid for and sitting at the fulfillment center. I guess the other possibility is that the fulfillment center is super understaffed. Who knows, but they're really starting to get a house of cards vibe.

I'm not sure why some think this is such a big deal. Isn't it normal for a manufacturing business to invest money from the sales of a product into research and development for other products? If they don't do that, where does the research and development money come from?

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[Mara Jade's Father]

I'm not sure why some think this is such a big deal. Isn't it normal for a manufacturing business to invest money from the sales of a product into research and development for other products? If they don't do that, where does the research and development money come from?

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You are failing to follow what we are trying to say.

Yes, it is good business to invest profits back into the business. But that's just it, I'm speculating they are not making profits on some of these items as others are that they are taking losses on products that are yet to be delivered and need more pre-orders to be able to get those older products developed. If this is true, then it's all going to fall apart the deeper they get. Think pyramid scheme... Ponzi scheme... Rob Peter to pay Paul... etc...

Like I said, it just speculation but I am worried enough not to give them any more money on new products. They might be willing give refunds now, but they may not have any cash on hand to do refunds in the future.

 

[Apollo]

Nope more of the same ole, in my thread in replica costumes a member has been trying to get a refund for months nothing from them OR Joe. :unsure

So has anyone had anything in regards to the more effective communication that was talked about?

 

[Nocternus]

Im still none the wiser of why my item was delayed AGAIN

 

[Trilan]

I can only speculate. But it does seem a likely scenario what you are all saying. The problem is, there are 3 new items I would have pre-ordered already but I've decided not to pre-order anything more until they come through on the 1/2 dozen items I have already preordered and am getting pretty worried about.

I have the feeling I m not alone in holding off on ordering new items - the same new items that are needed to be ordered so they can pay storage fees for all the items being held by customs at the San Pedro docks, or whatever the case may be.

I hope they work it out.

 

[ggriffaw]

You are failing to follow what we are trying to say.

Yes, it is good business to invest profits back into the business. But that's just it, I'm speculating they are not making profits on some of these items as others are that they are taking losses on products that are yet to be delivered and need more pre-orders to be able to get those older products developed. If this is true, then it's all going to fall apart the deeper they get. Think pyramid scheme... Ponzi scheme... Rob Peter to pay Paul... etc...

Like I said, it just speculation but I am worried enough not to give them any more money on new products. They might be willing give refunds now, but they may not have any cash on hand to do refunds in the future.

Don't forget they have lines other than Star Wars.

The Ponzi scheme references are way off. A Ponzi scheme is an investment scheme for early investors to make money off later investors and it is a criminal activity. None of us are getting money in return for our "investment".

Anovos has cancelled several products because of too few sales. Some money would have already been put into the product, but no where near what it would be if they actually produced the product then needed to liquidate them at a loss.

Unexpected storage costs are probably the biggest cost caused by the delays. I would think some storage was planned for ensembles that include pieces from different factories.


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[Qui-Gonzalez]

While you may not be getting money on your early investment, you ARE supposed to be getting goods at a GREATLY reduced price based off of later sales. So, it may not be a Ponzi scheme with a financial return, you are still getting something that later investors never will. It isn't that far off base.

 

[KrangPrime]

You are failing to follow what we are trying to say.

Yes, it is good business to invest profits back into the business. But that's just it, I'm speculating they are not making profits on some of these items as others are that they are taking losses on products that are yet to be delivered and need more pre-orders to be able to get those older products developed. If this is true, then it's all going to fall apart the deeper they get. Think pyramid scheme... Ponzi scheme... Rob Peter to pay Paul... etc...

Like I said, it just speculation but I am worried enough not to give them any more money on new products. They might be willing give refunds now, but they may not have any cash on hand to do refunds in the future.

pretty much. darth was my first and LAST pre order from them.

i also don't like that they don't show pictures of the finished product as soon as it's developed. you'd think it would help sales if it was all that great.

instead, they make you hunt and peck for it at conventions and disney stores.


I had hopes anovos might be different when they started out, but now it seems like more of the same old same old.

 

[KrangPrime]

Anyone that's been waiting that long has every right to complain and he is not alone in that

eh, don't take too much stock in the' whining and complaining' comment. these days people are so overly sensitive to people willing to be a bit more truthful and blunt that they start to take it personally.

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Ohhh hell.
I think I just got Anovosed
(yes, that's a verb now).

Looks like they also feig-ed up ;o)

 

[Lichtbringer]

I think they mated with the devil, and are now paying the price for it.

They and their name, probably even their future business is now the frontbumper for a truck that´s owned and steered by Disney. Disney get´s all it´s wishes without standing in the line of fire. And i´m sure Anovos are not even in a position to communicate that. No matter what Disney does to delay products to their own wanted time schedule, if Anovos would say us "Sorry, but another delay has happened due to Disney not giving approval for .....xyz.) - Disney would not be pleased. And that wouldn´t ease the business between them. :lol

 

[matty matt]

Just some general thoughts on the situation.

It's easy to say, "well, Disney has got them jumping through hoops and that's why everything is delayed". But Disney/Lucasfilm are licensing machines. It does them no good to keep merchandise out of consumer's hands. Think of all the Star Wars, Marvel, Disney merchandise that's out there. And a lot of that stuff is timed to coincide with a movie release. Licensees have a short window to get products out while a movie is in theaters. They do it all the time. It really shouldn't matter what the product is. So what's really going on?

 

[ggriffaw]

While you may not be getting money on your early investment, you ARE supposed to be getting goods at a GREATLY reduced price based off of later sales. So, it may not be a Ponzi scheme with a financial return, you are still getting something that later investors never will. It isn't that far off base.

The operator of a ponzi scheme is misleading investors as far as the source of the returns and can be put in jail for running the scheme. The later investors get very little if any returns.

There is no deception in tiered pricing. The customers know what the terms are and what they expect in return for placing an order.

There are legal ways and illegal ways to withdraw money from a bank. They both involve withdrawing money, but they certainly are not the same thing. Being legal or illegal is a huge difference.

How many people have been put in jail for offering tiered pricing or pre-sales? People have been put in jail for running ponzi schemes.

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[Lichtbringer]

Just some general thoughts on the situation.

It's easy to say, "well, Disney has got them jumping through hoops and that's why everything is delayed". But Disney/Lucasfilm are licensing machines. It does them no good to keep merchandise out of consumer's hands. Think of all the Star Wars, Marvel, Disney merchandise that's out there. And a lot of that stuff is timed to coincide with a movie release. Licensees have a short window to get products out while a movie is in theaters. They do it all the time. It really shouldn't matter what the product is. So what's really going on?

And you don´t wonder the fact that the new TFA stuff gets much faster the needed approvals than the longer in progress OT stuff?

Looks like Disney wants to take all possible advantage from the short window - knowing that the OT stuff is a all time seller.

 

[Jagjaguwar]

Ah, rampant speculation. Clearly everything is a web of lies and deception, yes. :rolleyes

Any other conspiracy theories? Someone want to tell us what REALLY happened with the Moon landing, maybe?

edit: My own theory is that Anovos, EFX and Prop Shop are all owned by the same diabolical, mustache-twirling international businessman, and that the nonexistent communication from EFX and continuing delays with Anovos are happening deliberately to funnel collectors toward the gaping maw of expensive prop buying that is "Prop Shop." All evidence seems to point towards this...